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Integrating North and South Node

topic posted Tue, October 21, 2008 - 6:51 AM by  Coors
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So recently I picked up a book by Tracy Marks that has worksheets to work on integrating the two nodes. She notices that people often find they operate soley from the SN and feel unfulfilled until they can find ways to integrate the two.

After doing some of th worksheet I found that my SN is in Gemini in the 10th house, with Gemini's Ruler Mercury in my 6th house conjunct Venus and sextile my Moon. I have up to this point totally been living my SN. I am a lawyer by trade so put a lot of value and reliance on my mental faculties of logic and reason. I also have spent most of my 20's and less so in my 30's focused on my career, climbing the corporate ladder and tryng to build a reputation as a solid, objective, rational leader. But I have always felt something was missing......

My NN is in Saggitarius in the 4th house conjunct my Neptune, widely conjunct Mars and Square Jupiter. The ruler of my NN Jupiter is in the 8th house in Pisces. Neptune and Jupiter are Square but in mutual reception in each others rulers. I understand that the 4th house is the "domestic front", your history and sometimes your soul...but without having a family I don't really understand what NN in the 4th means or how to combine it with the my SN skills.

Does anyone have any thoughts on the 4th house or how to integrate 4th house Sagittarius goals (freedom, traveller,optimism, faith, philosophy) with what I am doing now without a family.....(I am dating...just not desperate) :) Oh and by the way ...I am over 30 if that helps....

Thanks
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Coors
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  • Re: Integrating North and South Node

    Tue, October 21, 2008 - 7:56 AM
    Hi, Coors! I also have 4th house cusp in Sagittarius. My mom was very religious....in a traditional kinds of way. I was religious, too, when growing up....but followed my spirituality to the Pagan roots! Perhaps having the NN here might mean investigating the family line, even to the point of visiting the places of origin, in Europe, or wherever they may be.

    There may be a special talent or two that have been inherited....and your Soul might have been born to this family for a special reason.

    An interesting book about a lawyer who becomes a practionaer of female-based Earth religion: __Book of Shadows__ by Phyllis Curott.
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    Re: Integrating North and South Node

    Tue, October 21, 2008 - 9:41 AM
    that's a really difficult question. Even more so, without a chart to analyse.

    I am seriously caught up in my SN, as well, but the rest of my chart adds to my whole confusion on "should I stay, or should I go?". Maybe yours is more revealing. Please, post.

    They say the NN is your karmic lesson-something you "have" to learn in this lifetime. That's one of the reasons I hate the nodes, because it tends to imply the idea of fated-ness.
    At first, I saw the North Node as a kind of "hidden Sun"-because both were linked to the "why am I here?" question, but then I realized...the Sun is not why you are here, it's why you THINK you are here.
    So, I guess that makes the North Node a parallel universe to which you are constantly, yet inexplicably drawn. Or MAYBE karmic debt?! Some unfinished business you have to deal with before you leave this Earth? Might be.
    In that case, you must consider the possibility that your chart does not provide you with a "key", a map or something to help you integrate your North Node energy into your path, and that it is totally your responsibility.
    Of course, looking at the rest of the chart would help, anyways. Aspects to the Node will show just how difficult it's gonna be for you to settle your "karmic debt".
    • Re: Integrating North and South Node

      Tue, October 21, 2008 - 1:50 PM
      Sorry ...I tried to post but just couldn't figure it out. But my bday is 7:31pm January 7, 1975 in Tarrytown, NY (Westchester County) if that helps. Thanks if you have time to look :)
      • Re: Integrating North and South Node

        Sat, October 25, 2008 - 10:01 AM
        With Mars there, Coors, I imagine you have lots of motivation to explore your NN. Sag is about expansive awareness, and the 4th house is also about your inner world and your emotional roots, right back to your "first" lifetime.

        I would suggest you follow that urge to delve into your emotional past....4th House Sag NN brings to mind the Bruce Cockburn lines "One step deeper into darkness/Closer to the light". You would, I would imagine, find significant satisfaction and NN activation by exploring your emotions but don't just ride over the top of them, dive in and express them, for it is only after doing so that you will find the true meaning and understanding of what has been driving you. That meaning/understanding is the light you will discover by exploring the darkness.

        On your journey there, should you choose to embark upon it, you will discover a judgment/fear bed within yourself that says "if I go deeply into these emotions I will not survive and in fact I will become dysfunctional" but if you can ritually release such a judgment you will find it's not true. The fear that it could be true has to be expressed like any other emotion, fear's just an emotion after all, like grief or anger.

        If any of this rings true and you have a curiosity to open the doors to your chambers, I wish you bonne chance!
  • Re: Integrating North and South Node

    Sat, October 25, 2008 - 1:05 PM
    Thus far one thing I've noticed is that I'm often pushed toward the North Node with that same feeling you describe - of something missing. It's like it'll balance out eventually, and it might be when people are older. I'm guessing it makes sense that at 30 you still feel like you're attached to the SN more because you have to build a career to support fourth house stuff comfortably. I have a friend who has the 6th in SN, and a strong midheaven, but his dream is to just have a family and escape. I think he'll make it big and just retreat, and he'll be able to afford that retreat with all the hard work he's done.

    I'm the opposite - NN in 10, and I find the home always dissapoints me, but boy do I run back! I dont expect much until my 30s, but I feel pushed that way with all the dissapointments with home. Even if I try, I won't be able to avoid the 10th house. So I guess since it's a soul purpose thing, it'll happen anyway?
    • Re: Integrating North and South Node

      Sat, October 25, 2008 - 5:10 PM
      Sonah22 thanks for your post...having the opposite node house placements from me I can see how this might work now...yes I think having a home/family domestic life may be very imp to me...and so maybe that's what I am waiting for as the 10th house stuff doesn't seem to satisfy but is yes necessary.
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    Re: Integrating North and South Node

    Mon, October 27, 2008 - 11:02 PM
    The nodes have caught my interest lately.

    When studying my chart I realise that my more influential aspects tie to my nodes rather strongly. for example, the nodes in cancer/cap axis in 11th and 5th house along with my mars/saturn opposite moon in 2nd/8th house.

    Nurturing and caring for others can't seem to quite get going until i realise that achievements -(moon in aries and south node in cap) are more than just a statutory, material means of fulfilling emotional securities (saturn and mars in libra).

    So, does any of your aspects seem to cushion your nodal directions? I also find that by constantly being aware of how you're acting out one node more strongly than the other, you can more or less see the repeated patterns of finding the familiarity of the south node or moving towards the north node.

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