What do you make of current predictions about the possibility of another Great Depression taking place?
Good old Tarnas found a t-square between Saturn, Uranus and Pluto in October 1929, the only one of the 20th Century to happen....true, there was not one in the 1960's when there was a line-up between all 3 of these planets then, but......I wondered myself, knowing so many people with massive credit card debts, if everyone is just living on credit cards...isn't that too much like the bubble effect that has led to big Depressions before? (in the 20's many shares were bought on credit, this is the 'bubble' effect). Well, take a look at this:
There is another Uranus-square Pluto coming. I am not glooming and doming for ts own sake, but I do get to talk to my students about these things, it does tend to come up.
BIS warns of Great Depression dangers from credit spree
By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
Last Updated: 9:02am BST 25/06/2007
The Bank for International Settlements, the world's most prestigious financial body, has warned that years of loose monetary policy has fuelled a dangerous credit bubble, leaving the global economy more vulnerable to another 1930s-style slump than generally understood.
"Virtually nobody foresaw the Great Depression of the 1930s, or the crises which affected Japan and Southeast Asia in the early and late 1990s. In fact, each downturn was preceded by a period of non-inflationary growth exuberant enough to lead many commentators to suggest that a 'new era' had arrived", said the bank.
The BIS, the ultimate bank of central bankers, pointed to a confluence a worrying signs, citing mass issuance of new-fangled credit instruments, soaring levels of household debt, extreme appetite for risk shown by investors, and entrenched imbalances in the world currency system.
"Behind each set of concerns lurks the common factor of highly accommodating financial conditions. Tail events affecting the global economy might at some point have much higher costs than is commonly supposed," it said.
The BIS said China may have repeated the disastrous errors made by Japan in the 1980s when Tokyo let rip with excess liquidity.
"The Chinese economy seems to be demonstrating very similar, disquieting symptoms," it said, citing ballooning credit, an asset boom, and "massive investments" in heavy industry.
Some 40pc of China's state-owned enterprises are loss-making, exposing the banking system to likely stress in a downturn.
It said China's growth was "unstable, unbalance, uncoordinated and unsustainable", borrowing a line from Chinese premier Wen Jiabao
In a thinly-veiled rebuke to the US Federal Reserve, the BIS said central banks were starting to doubt the wisdom of letting asset bubbles build up on the assumption that they could safely be "cleaned up" afterwards - which was more or less the strategy pursued by former Fed chief Alan Greenspan after the dotcom bust.
It said this approach had failed in the US in 1930 and in Japan in 1991 because excess debt and investment build up in the boom years had suffocating effects.
While cutting interest rates in such a crisis may help, it has the effect of transferring wealth from creditors to debtors and "sowing the seeds for more serious problems further ahead."
The bank said it was far from clear whether the US would be able to shrug off the consequences of its latest imbalances, citing a current account deficit running at 6.5pc of GDP, a rise in US external liabilities by over $4 trillion from 2001 to 2005, and an unprecedented drop in the savings rate. "The dollar clearly remains vulnerable to a sudden loss of private sector confidence," it said.
The BIS said last year's record issuance of $470bn in collateralized debt obligations (CDO), and a further $524bn in "synthetic" CDOs had effectively opened the lending taps even further. "Mortgage credit has become more available and on easier terms to borrowers almost everywhere. Only in recent months has the downside become more apparent," it said.
CDO's are bond-like packages of mortgages and other forms of debt. The BIS said banks transfer the exposure to buyers of the securities, giving them little incentive to assess risk or carry out due diligence.
Mergers and takeovers reached $4.1 trillion worldwide last year.
Leveraged buy-outs touched $753bn, with an average debt/cash flow ratio hitting a record 5.4.
"Sooner or later the credit cycle will turn and default rates will begin to rise," said the bank.
"The levels of leverage employed in private equity transactions have raised questions about their longer-term sustainability. The strategy depends on the availability of cheap funding," it said.
That may not last much longer.
www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml
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Good old Tarnas found a t-square between Saturn, Uranus and Pluto in October 1929, the only one of the 20th Century to happen....true, there was not one in the 1960's when there was a line-up between all 3 of these planets then, but......I wondered myself, knowing so many people with massive credit card debts, if everyone is just living on credit cards...isn't that too much like the bubble effect that has led to big Depressions before? (in the 20's many shares were bought on credit, this is the 'bubble' effect). Well, take a look at this:
There is another Uranus-square Pluto coming. I am not glooming and doming for ts own sake, but I do get to talk to my students about these things, it does tend to come up.
BIS warns of Great Depression dangers from credit spree
By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
Last Updated: 9:02am BST 25/06/2007
The Bank for International Settlements, the world's most prestigious financial body, has warned that years of loose monetary policy has fuelled a dangerous credit bubble, leaving the global economy more vulnerable to another 1930s-style slump than generally understood.
"Virtually nobody foresaw the Great Depression of the 1930s, or the crises which affected Japan and Southeast Asia in the early and late 1990s. In fact, each downturn was preceded by a period of non-inflationary growth exuberant enough to lead many commentators to suggest that a 'new era' had arrived", said the bank.
The BIS, the ultimate bank of central bankers, pointed to a confluence a worrying signs, citing mass issuance of new-fangled credit instruments, soaring levels of household debt, extreme appetite for risk shown by investors, and entrenched imbalances in the world currency system.
"Behind each set of concerns lurks the common factor of highly accommodating financial conditions. Tail events affecting the global economy might at some point have much higher costs than is commonly supposed," it said.
The BIS said China may have repeated the disastrous errors made by Japan in the 1980s when Tokyo let rip with excess liquidity.
"The Chinese economy seems to be demonstrating very similar, disquieting symptoms," it said, citing ballooning credit, an asset boom, and "massive investments" in heavy industry.
Some 40pc of China's state-owned enterprises are loss-making, exposing the banking system to likely stress in a downturn.
It said China's growth was "unstable, unbalance, uncoordinated and unsustainable", borrowing a line from Chinese premier Wen Jiabao
In a thinly-veiled rebuke to the US Federal Reserve, the BIS said central banks were starting to doubt the wisdom of letting asset bubbles build up on the assumption that they could safely be "cleaned up" afterwards - which was more or less the strategy pursued by former Fed chief Alan Greenspan after the dotcom bust.
It said this approach had failed in the US in 1930 and in Japan in 1991 because excess debt and investment build up in the boom years had suffocating effects.
While cutting interest rates in such a crisis may help, it has the effect of transferring wealth from creditors to debtors and "sowing the seeds for more serious problems further ahead."
The bank said it was far from clear whether the US would be able to shrug off the consequences of its latest imbalances, citing a current account deficit running at 6.5pc of GDP, a rise in US external liabilities by over $4 trillion from 2001 to 2005, and an unprecedented drop in the savings rate. "The dollar clearly remains vulnerable to a sudden loss of private sector confidence," it said.
The BIS said last year's record issuance of $470bn in collateralized debt obligations (CDO), and a further $524bn in "synthetic" CDOs had effectively opened the lending taps even further. "Mortgage credit has become more available and on easier terms to borrowers almost everywhere. Only in recent months has the downside become more apparent," it said.
CDO's are bond-like packages of mortgages and other forms of debt. The BIS said banks transfer the exposure to buyers of the securities, giving them little incentive to assess risk or carry out due diligence.
Mergers and takeovers reached $4.1 trillion worldwide last year.
Leveraged buy-outs touched $753bn, with an average debt/cash flow ratio hitting a record 5.4.
"Sooner or later the credit cycle will turn and default rates will begin to rise," said the bank.
"The levels of leverage employed in private equity transactions have raised questions about their longer-term sustainability. The strategy depends on the availability of cheap funding," it said.
That may not last much longer.
www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml
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Re: Gloom and Doom
Sun, July 1, 2007 - 9:28 AMI think a lot will have to do with what transpires through the Pluto change of station early on RX and weaving in and out of cap to sag and to cap and action .
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Re: Gloom and Doom
Wed, July 4, 2007 - 9:07 AMI would say it has a lot more to do with the fact that there is going to be a t-square alignment with Saturn, Pluto and Uranus in the not-too-distant future. Erm...the last time there was a t-squareof that nature was about the time of the Wall St Crash. -
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Re: Gloom and Doom
Wed, July 4, 2007 - 10:49 AMFor sure Lynda-but there's a point in the time frame to take proper action to either mend or do damage control before it meets or sets up an irreversable outcome .
I think we may be headed into some type of recess/ depression or something similar like your astro history example seems to indicate it-so all I can do is like what Theo White says "pre-act" rather than react . In respect to mundane astrology "pre-act" some examples for me would be paying off unnecessary credit and frivolous debt -making the best use of my earning power -stay aware and on top of the upcoming changes.
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Re: Gloom and Doom
Wed, July 4, 2007 - 5:18 PMI'd like to quote from an interview with Rob Hand:
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H: Any ideas about Pluto in capricorn you could share?
R: Well, the great symbolism of Pluto in Sag has worked out well enough, which is the breakdown and arising at the same time of religious conflict. I think Pluto in Capricorn will therefore symbolize the breakdown of large-scale structural systems.
H: Like our planet itself, for example?
R: It could be that extreme. At the AA conference in 2004, there was this French gentleman, a student of Barbault's, who did this very convincing demonstration. The trigger of major world melt-downs appears to be Saturn, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto or their midpoints crossing over 0* of the cardinal signs. Two of the hot dates were August 1914 and December 1941.
And the next hot dates are in 2008 and 2010. You have Pluto and midpoints crossing in 2008, and Saturn and Uransu and their midpoint crossing in 2010. There's a Saturn/Uranus opposition from 0*Libra to 0* Aries in 2010. And I have to admit, the world seems to go out of its way to make sure we get a confirmation that soon. Which form it'll take, I don't know. It can't be a Worldwar III like World Wars I and II, because those were nation state wars. This is going to be different. This is going to be more like 1618, you know, the Thirty Years War.
H: Everybdy against everybody!
R: Yeah, like a free-for-all.
H: So, the Uranus/Pluto square from Aries to Capricorn in 2013 would just be a kind of continuation.
R: Yes, just a bit more fuel for the fire. A long time ago, I predicted that the whole process would have concluded by 2017.
And this is based on the precession of the solstice through the constellation of the Serpent. I basically see the constellations as a set of Tarot card images - impressionistically. And the first controlled nuclear chain reaction was taking place when the winter solstice hit the first star in the hand, where the giant is holding the serpent - the 'serpent power'! Then there was one in the mid 80ies, sort of in the middle of everything, although it did come close to the fall of the Sovjet Union, as it turns out.
H: Chernobyl in '86 and the Berlin Wall in '89.
R: Yes. And the last one of these asterisms is going to be hit in 2017. So 1942 - 2017 is the era, in which the world has to come to terms with the serpent power. It may or it may not.
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Now, you may find this far removed from the question after symptoms for another market crash. But I believe that that would be just one of the things going on. Other man-made and natural catastrophies might precede and almost drown out such a crash. After all, 1929 was preceded by WW I and, if I'm not completely mistaken, related to the fall-out from that conflict. Happy days! -
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Thu, July 5, 2007 - 4:08 PMCyclical events are not uncommon. My dad worked for HFC and had to go into the Bronx to collect debt. It was a very rough job and I remember him talking about credit cards hitting the scenery of America's people and how it was an amaizing occurance. In the Presbyterian church we pray
"Forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors"
Oh yes we do pray that and
well don't expect your debts to be forgiven is the only advice cause some ppl want their money .. well they will get it no matter what and well
The generational planets can also be looked to for guidance. Look to Saturn for guidance what you need to cut back on it will be there. And Saturn will tell you what you need to do to really grow. Saturn in Leo what does it mean for all of us collectively.
And well read Revelation 9:11 both chapters 9 and 11 as well and I nevereverever ever wanted to live during the apacalypse but it might be here just like Ragnoroke happens every day. If you don't think we are already involved in a WW well what are you thinking? Look to your Saturn placement and love your enemies and get ready cause it is already happening cause money is cheaper than words. You cannot eat gold and you cannot eat oil but you have to eat grain or you have to eat to stay alive.
Best of luck...to you all....LR
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