EMDR?

topic posted Sat, July 1, 2006 - 4:45 PM by  Roxy
I just read something about this kind of therapy for PTSD. they say it's really effective.

has anyone heard of or tried Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing?
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Roxy
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    Sun, July 16, 2006 - 9:58 PM
    thanks to Mark for sending this to me. it's fascinating!

    www.emdr.com

    Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing (EMDR) is a psychotherapy treatment that was originally designed to alleviate the distress associated with traumatic memories (Shapiro, 1989a, 1989b). Shapiro’s (2001) Adaptive Information Processing model posits that EMDR facilitates the accessing and processing of traumatic memories to bring these to an adaptive resolution. After successful treatment with EMDR, affective distress is relieved, negative beliefs are reformulated, and physiological arousal is reduced. During EMDR the client attends to emotionally disturbing material in brief sequential doses while simultaneously focusing on an external stimulus. Therapist directed lateral eye movements are the most commonly used external stimulus but a variety of other stimuli including hand-tapping and audio stimulation are often used (Shapiro, 1991). Shapiro (1995) hypothesizes that EMDR facilitates the accessing of the traumatic memory network, so that information processing is enhanced, with new associations forged between the traumatic memory and more adaptive memories or information. These new associations are thought to result in complete information processing, new learning, elimination of emotional distress, and development of cognitive insights. EMDR uses a three pronged protocol: (1) the past events that have laid the groundwork for dysfunction are processed, forging new associative links with adaptive information; (2) the current circumstances that elicit distress are targeted, and internal and external triggers are desensitized; (3) imaginal templates of future events are incorporated, to assist the client in acquiring the skills needed for adaptive functioning.
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      Mon, July 17, 2006 - 8:53 AM
      Hi Roxy:

      Well...no problems posting today...I'm in! That was weird....

      Anyway, you're welcome for the link...

      Mark
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    Thu, January 18, 2007 - 5:29 PM
    Hi Roxi and all here.

    I do have some experience with EMDR with a qualified therapist ( you can find who is registered in your area from the EMDR websight ) Short background is needed.

    I have 2 sisters along with myself that are working with EMDR, they have been doing this longer than I have.Thay have many more positive experiences than I have so based on their recommendations I thought I'd give it a try. It's deffinately very powerful work because ( from my experience ) I'm able to let go of neg. emotions tied to each experience that I work through and the energy is for the most part is gone whenever I think of that memory.

    The actual work is usually with one experience at a time which allows the individual not to spend any more energy on the event when it comes up again. Seems too simple but that has been my experience and from what I hear from my sisters it is the same for them as well.

    I'll share one experience as an example;

    I am 54 years old male, from a very disfunctional family with a lot of sexually inapropriate behavior about. One day when I was about 5 maybe 6 I was in the bathroom right off the kitchen sitting on the toilet urinating. While I was going I was holding my penis down with my hand to be sure that it was going in, then suddenly my older brother burst in ( intentionally or not I do not know ) when he saw my hand "down there" he went out loudly told my mother that "Wally is holding his hand between his legs on the toilet!" Of course she burst in with horrible energy to scold me ( and I think to catch me in something as well ). Then I was forced to finish up go out and defend myself to her and the other family members present at the time. I'm pissed, embarrased and violated at the same time. It really sucked for a kid of that age and of course no one defended me either.

    So anyway up until a couple of months ago whenever that memory came up I felt the ugly shame and hurt all over again, usually I would just shrug it off until it came to the present again. Well I brought it up to my therapist and we processed that event. I now have no "junk" around the event when it comes up. Just the knowledge that I was wronged and can give a soft moment to that little boy. It's still sad to remember but the energy behind the trauma is gone leaving more energy for me and him! It's nice. So now when I remember another event I can choose to process it or not, but when I do it usually turns out the same way.

    Nice!!!!

    So if this feels right give it a try. I am fortunate to have a therapist that I trust and is able to serve me in many ways but I initially went to her for EMDR so for me I feel blessed to have found her.

    I wish the same for you.

    Namaste; Wally

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      Thu, January 18, 2007 - 8:03 PM
      That's great that it worked so well for you Wally, sounds so positive, and makes me want to try it again. I tried EMDR once or twice, but honestly it did nothing for me. It wonder if it has anything to do with the skill of the therapist (I've heard that makes a difference), or any number of other factors that I am not aware of. I think if you find someone who really knows what they are doing it could be effective, and I know some people swear by it.

      I was recently taught how to do EFT - Emotional Freedom Technique. I would guess it is a distant cousin of EMDR, and it seems to work in a similar way. After I learned it from a hypnotherapist I am able to do it myself, and I've been doing it a lot lately, with a lot of success. It works with energy meridians and accessing and releasing stuck emotions. It's cool cause I can even do it in the car or the bathroom at work if I need to. I've been processing lots of trauma in the car lately. It helps me access the core of my feelings very quickly, feel them and release them. I know I've gotten a core feeling when it brings up tears, and it gets me to that point quickly, which is great. Here's the link for the online manual for anyone who is interested: www.emofree.com/downloadeftmanual.asp
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        Fri, January 19, 2007 - 2:43 PM
        Hi Wally, thanks for sharing....I'm glad you are here!

        Can you tell us more what happens during the process when you talk about it in the session? I am interested to know if it is similiar to what I am doing.
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    Mon, January 22, 2007 - 8:43 PM
    I did EMDR with my therapist once. It had a pretty amazing result. What the heck, I'll tell you the story. When I was a kid my dad used to make me do work around the house. No big deal, everyone has to shovel or pick up garbage or weed, right? Well, the problem with him was that he would a) supersize the job and b) make sure there was always some aspect of humiliation involved - the more public the better. So he didn't just make me shovel our walk. He made me shovel the ENTIRE walk. It was a huge, huge walk that went all the way from the back of our house, around the side, along the front, down the front lawn and down steep steps to the street. So it literally took me hours to do if we got a heavy snowfall. Worse yet, where the walk went along the front of the house it was placed just exactly where the roof dumped its load of snow and ice. So not only did it take all afternoon but it was scarey as hell cuz you never knew when the roof would let go ... (it's a 16 room house - big roof). And all this I had to do out front in full vision of all the other people living on the street, none of whom shovelled THEIR front walks. So here I am, a kid of 10, shovelling yet another winter's afternoon away (grew up in Vermont, when it still really snowed there). And I am muttering away to myself as I shovel, a running monologue about how this isn't fair, it's too much to do, noone else shovels their walk .... so that's the memory we worked with. Every single time I went back to it I experienced again the utter helplessness and hopelessness and humiliation I felt back then. The knowing that I'd just have to shovel it all over again the next day when the roof dumped it's load of snow and ice. The feeling of being so utterly expendable to my dad that he didn't care if a load of snow and ice fell on me and killed me or not, as long as his fucking walk was shovelled. So we're going over the memory and we start doing the EMDR and suddenly I am seeing it all from the outside and I am remembering that in my little monologues and diatribes against him I used to get pretty worked up and throw my shovel and yell and shake my fist and totally forget that I was out there in full view of the entire main street of my town ... putting on a little one-woman play where finally I was the hero. And the image was so GREAT - me, so totally caught up in my little play that the rest of the world just fell away and became my stage - I started laughing!!! And I laughed and I laughed and I laughed and I thought that what a fantastic kid I was to turn it all into a play and get so caught up in it... Imagine what those neighbors saw when they looked out their windows! A hot, sweaty, red-faced kid pitching her shovel into snowbanks and declaiming oratorically to noone and nothing! I still love that image, and still laugh over it. And NOW I also always remember that eventually the snow and ice DID fall at the wrong time, DID hit me on the head and knock me out, and I DID make a stand then - went right inside as soon as I woke up and screamed that I was never going to shovel that front walk again and I never did!!!!!
    So, that's my story.
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      Tue, January 23, 2007 - 9:58 AM
      I love this story. It's amazing to me that you reclaimed the rest of the memory. Isn't it amazing how our memories of trauma and pain tend to overshadow the rest of the experience? I really believe that feeling and experiencing these memories removes the veils on our memories so that we can reclaim them in their entirety. This was very moving for me, and made me feel hope. Maybe I'll check out emdr too.

      When I remembered being molested by one of my moms boyfriends during one of my brief visits to her at the age of 11, I also remembered that after it happened and I had successfully repressed the memory, my mom, my sisters and I all danced together and sang and laughed and held eachother. We all felt such joy at being newly reunited. I was really glad to get this memory back.

      Thanks for sharing.

      Daisy
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        Tue, January 23, 2007 - 5:15 PM
        I've decided that I'm going to try it to. A friend gave me a magazine article about it and I was very intrigued.
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          Wed, June 20, 2007 - 11:58 PM
          Anyone else tried EMDR lately? My current therapist uses it, and it's definitely powerful stuff. I haven't done too much of it yet, but I will be posting on how it goes. What I've noticed so far - it seems to open up that pocket of trauma that gets walled off in the brain (or wherever it lives) and lets the contents spill out a little so that they can get digested and integrated and worked through. It opened quite a floodgate yesterday, and I'm hoping to see the integration thing happen over time. I came away from the appointment at least understanding a lot more of why I was feeling traumatized lately, what the subconscious connections were that I wasn't getting with my normal conscious thinking about it. I'm hopeful now that this will be a useful tool.
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            Fri, June 29, 2007 - 9:07 PM
            Yes, please share your experiences, I've be too afraid to try it yet!
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              Sat, June 30, 2007 - 12:38 AM
              I am writing of my first experience with it recently - it totally opened up a floodgate, but in a good way. Well, it didn't feel good at first - I sobbed my eyes out at first. But the charge over the issue I did the EMDR on - the emotional charge - got lessoned. And that was so amazingly great. It feels more manageable now. I think the thing with EMDR - it is an exposure therapy. Meaning, it gets you to re-experience all the emotions related to the traumatic event you experienced. Which sucks. But then...there is a release. And I found that I am a lot stronger than I was than at age 15 when I experienced the actual experience, so I have my current strength to help me through. At least that's how my first experience with it went. Well, my first experience with it with my new therapist, who rocks. My old one tried it with me once or twice but it did nothing for me. I think it is therapist-specific as to whether it is effective or not. I would say - give it a few days (at least) afterwards to let it all "digest" - cause a lot of feelings came up for me. I felt the hopelessness of it all first. That was hard. But talking to a good friend, and then my therapist again on the phone, reasurring me it was all part of the process, helped. And then the day after was better, the day after better than that, and so on. And then I found the emotional charge around the issue seemed lessened. And that's the really good part. I feel hopeful about it because of that, and so I'm interested in doing a lot more of it. I will certainly keep you posted on how it goes. I've done other exposure type things before - it's all tough because you re-live things a bit, but I think that's a necessary step. The emotion has to be released from the holding block you've had it jailed in so it can become integrated into the rest of your consciousness. And then it doesn't keep stabbing at you at times when you least expect, the way traumatic memories have a way of doing.

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