The execution of Saddam Hussein is drawing a mixed reaction in the Arab world, where many people believe the former Iraqi leader committed many crimes, but question the fairness of his trial. The timing of his execution has also drawn criticism, coming on the first day of one of the most important Muslim holidays.
Speaking of dictators, I can name many around the world in power today that need to be tried for crimes against humanity. I am completely against killing a Head of State. Hussein was a prisoner of war; he should not have been executed. If anything, he should have been jailed so he can live and be held accountable for crimes he committed.
It is sad to say that Iraq was better off when he was in power. Iraq was a secular state that even had a Christian as its Prime Minister. Look at the DISASTER Iraq has become under American Foreign Policy. Iraq is becoming an Islamic State and women's rights are being eroded. The U.S. plans to stay in Iraq for years…why else would the U.S. turn a blind eye on Sunnis and Shiites fighting?
Many people are very sad at the execution of Saddam Hussein at the hands of the Americans-despite all his wrongdoings. Unfortunately, Americans have not gone to Iraq to spread justice and democracy, but rather to serve our own interests.
Arabs and Muslims should remember that the execution of Saddam is not just the execution of a single person but rather the execution of an Arab and Muslim exemplary figure. The execution of Saddam will not help improve things at all. There is strong probability that this will make matters worse.
Let's not forget that the CIA was the one that gave Mr. Hussein the weapons to gas the Kurds. He was our ally back then….
Speaking of dictators, I can name many around the world in power today that need to be tried for crimes against humanity. I am completely against killing a Head of State. Hussein was a prisoner of war; he should not have been executed. If anything, he should have been jailed so he can live and be held accountable for crimes he committed.
It is sad to say that Iraq was better off when he was in power. Iraq was a secular state that even had a Christian as its Prime Minister. Look at the DISASTER Iraq has become under American Foreign Policy. Iraq is becoming an Islamic State and women's rights are being eroded. The U.S. plans to stay in Iraq for years…why else would the U.S. turn a blind eye on Sunnis and Shiites fighting?
Many people are very sad at the execution of Saddam Hussein at the hands of the Americans-despite all his wrongdoings. Unfortunately, Americans have not gone to Iraq to spread justice and democracy, but rather to serve our own interests.
Arabs and Muslims should remember that the execution of Saddam is not just the execution of a single person but rather the execution of an Arab and Muslim exemplary figure. The execution of Saddam will not help improve things at all. There is strong probability that this will make matters worse.
Let's not forget that the CIA was the one that gave Mr. Hussein the weapons to gas the Kurds. He was our ally back then….
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Re: The execution of Former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein...
Wed, January 3, 2007 - 4:15 AMThanks Lara,
Having read about Saddam's history, and the horrible stuff he's done, I wasn't sorry to see him go. But your post explains really elequently why, despite his crimes, his death doesn't help anybody. It also doesn't seem completely just that he was hanged for his crimes, but those in the United States government that approved and assisted him don't recieve any penalty whatsoever.
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Re: The execution of Former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein...
Wed, January 3, 2007 - 10:35 AMI've been struggling with this this week too. I mean...as Shems said, he was a dispicable person, absolutely. And, I also understand that for some people, they would always feel the fear/specter that he may return to some kind of power (legitimate or behind the scenes) somehow and get his revenge if he were kept alive...but I'm not sure I really think his execution ultimately solves anything. And yes...executing him on the first day of the Eid seems ill-timed on a few accounts--insensitive to Muslims who may even support his ouster and/or execution to have such an important holiday marked by this, and for those who supported Hussein, it makes him seem the martyr. I'm sure I'm missing something, and I know there are other reasons they *did* choose the day they did, but it just seems, I don't know, insensitive and irresponsible in timing too.
In addition to the points Lara makes, a commentator on NPR made another interesting observation: Saddam Hussein was executed before all his trials were even complete. He received the death sentence on the charges from the first trial, but there were other war crimes and masacres for which he was supposed to stand trial. That means he never stood trial or was held accountable for those crimes. So...in the eyes of some of the families and people against whom he committed those crimes, justice was not done because was no opportunity for them to face him and for him to be held accountable for those things.
It's also interesting to note...he's one of only two or three 20th century heads of state to be executed for crimes in war or against his people (one was formally executed...another was killed for his crimes, but I'm not sure if it was a formal trial/execution situation.) Many others are rotting in prison, living in exile, or have died in prison or while awaiting trial.
The whole situation in Iraq is very unfortunate...I worry too that the legacy of this war could be "we took a bad situation and made it worse." Unfortunately, this situation has some clear roots in east-west miscalculation that dates back at least to Sykes-Picot.... *Sigh* -
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Re: The execution of Former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein...
Wed, January 3, 2007 - 12:18 PMIf Saddam hadn't invaded Kuwait in 1991, Bush would be calling Saddam a "good friend" of the United States right now. This has more to do with Saddam's political blunders.
By the way, in case you guys haven't heard, there is a mass exodus going on out of Iraq right now. Most of the skilled and middle class people are leaving the country to Europe.
In the old days, as long as you supported the Baath Party, you were okay. Now, you are only safe if you live in a neighborhood of your ethnic/sectarian identity. People don't dare pass through certain neighborhoods or work in other areas for fear of being killed.
I'm personally not in favor of the death penalty for anyone. I think Saddam should have been given life in prison without parole. And he was still in the midst of the trial about him gassing the Kurds.
But I guess the Iraqi government didn't want any chance of Saddam making his way back to politics... not to mention this being a gift of sorts for Shiite Iran, who vehementally despised the Saddam regime.
Also, I think the manner in which the execution was conducted was horrendous. Those men with those black hoods, yelling Sadr's name... it didn't look much different than one of those terrorist videos where they kill their victims.
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Re: The execution of Former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein...
Thu, January 4, 2007 - 7:22 AMI don't know that the invasion of Kuwait had much to do with it. From what I understand, the US more or less gave Saddam the green light to invade Kuwait. I think that members of the US government have their own agenda and they seem to not hesitate to walk on their "allys" when they think it serves their purpose.
This is a nice little multimedia presentation somebody posted on another tribe. The music is a little cheezy, but as far as I can tell, most of the info is pretty accurate:
www.bushflash.com/swf/thanks.swf
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Re: The execution of Former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein...
Fri, January 5, 2007 - 2:28 PMWhether Saddam thought the U.S. gave him the green light or not, the justification for the war in 1991 was to liberate Kuwait. So if Saddam hadn't invaded Kuwait, there goes the justification for the war. Also, countries such as Syria were part of the coalition back then, and would not have joined one just for the sake of regime change. In fact, the reason we didn't go all the way to Baghdad the first time was because neighboring Arab countries who were part of the coalition were against it.
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Re: The execution of Former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein...
Wed, January 3, 2007 - 4:28 PM
Let's get a few facts straight in the preceding posts:
What was done to Saddam Hussein was not an "execution" but a cold-bloodied murder. Read the latest news that is being reported about militias storming into the place he was and taking him by force, etc.
Even if the present Iraqi "government" was really in charge, it is still an illegal act of murder. The "government" is a puppet regime of the u.s. occupation. The americans had no right to kidnap and hold him. They had no right to deliver him to his enemies. The "trial" was illegal, by the dicta of several international human rights organizations, etc.
The accusation of "gassing" Kurds was refuted a long time ago by an inquiry of the u.s. congress. They concluded it was Iran that committed that crime.
The murder of Saddam Hussein on the eve of Al Adha was not "unfortunate," but deliberate. It was a deliberate insult to the majority of the Muslims, and the americans and their puppet Iraqis intended it that way. But what will be remembered is that Saddam was a martyr and a sacrifice, because Eid Al Adha is the feast of the sacrifice. The joke is on the war criminal americans and their stooges in Iraq. BTW I am not a Muslim.
Yes, Iraq was a secular, stable, modern, progressive state. Dictators are all over the world and especially the middle east but if they dare confront the americans, they are branded criminals and are demonized in the western mis-media, like they did to Saddam Hussein. But what about the Egyptian little pharoah, or the Jordanian son of the english hairderesser? They are dictators, too, but because they do the bidding of the americans, they stay in their palaces.
Under Saddam Hussein most of the oil revenue of Iraq, which had been nationalized, went to buiid the country, not into the hands of a few western oil merchants, like is happening now. After the destruction of Iraq by the war criminal americans in 1991, it took Saddam Hussein's government less than six months to rebuild all that was destroyed in Iraq. Today, after almost four years of direct american control, the country is still in ruins, to say nothing of the chaos and murder that is going on.
Saddam Hussein's "mistake" was that he wsas a threat to the zioNazi "state of israel" and because the american oil "government:" wanted direct control over Iraqi oil. It is a bunch of murderous thugs in control of the planet. The Alliance of Evil--the americans, the zioNazis and the british--is destroying this planet with their wars and destruction and people are still ignorant of what is really going on. Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, Lebanon, Somalia, Sudan, etc., etc.,
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Re: The execution of Former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein...
Thu, January 4, 2007 - 7:09 AMI'm just curius about where you got your information from on the Iran and not Saddam gassing the Kurds according to the US congress?
This brings some questions to my mind - one, did the the US congress in fact say that it was Iran and not Saddam who was responsible for gassing the Kurds, and if so, when? And also, if so, is this information in fact correct?
In the Robert Fisk book I read, he reported that Saddam was known to be in possession of chemical weapons that he purchased, if I understood it correctly, from the Germans as well as the Americans, who apparently gave him technical support. Saddam was reported to have used them not only against the Kurds, but also against some of the Marsh Arabs and of course against Iran in the Iran-Iraq war. As I understand it Iran aquired or developed chemical weapans later on as a response to Iraq using them against them. Also according to Robert Fisk's book, there were things that were blamed on Iran by the US, that were actually not perpetrated by Iran. So there is more than one reason why I consider your information suspect.
I also found this CIA document that attributes the gassing of the Kurds to "Baghdad", not Iran. www.fas.org/irp/gulf/cia.../72566_01.htm
However, I don't think you need to exhonerate the evils that Saddam did to be upset by the nature of his trial and death, as well as the actions of the US, the British and the Zionist, who I agree have done some pretty horrific things.
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Re: The execution of Former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein...
Thu, January 4, 2007 - 7:55 AMThank you, Shems. I had similar questions about the sources of the previous poster's information, and I agree--you don't need to exhonerate Hussein to feel the execution was not the right way to handle it. The wrongs of one entity do not excuse the wrongs of another. That goes both ways.
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Re: The execution of Former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein...
Thu, January 4, 2007 - 10:49 PMShems
These were old documents online--from the late eighties. I had the URLs on an older computer. I looked for them, some of them have expired. But here is one:
www.whatreallyhappened.com/helms.html
Regarding "exonerating" Saddam Hussein, etc. You are welcome to your opinion. It is good that you agree that the u.s., zioNazis and british are war criminals, but I am fed up waiting for them to pay the price! -
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Re: The execution of Former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein...
Fri, January 5, 2007 - 2:21 PMRobert Fisk's "The Great War for Civilization" - it's a really good book and I think you should read it. Robert Fisk was a journalist that worked in the Middle East's hotspots for about 30 years and he talks about his personal experiences along with giving a more general background of what went on at the time to put things in context. He has a great section on Iraq and Saddam in there. If you haven't read it, I think it would be worth your time.
I'm not interested in arguing over who did or did not massacre the Kurds in Iraq, I know what I beleive, but I don't claim to have absolutely difinitive information on this.
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Fri, January 5, 2007 - 4:33 PMShems
You asked me for documentation on "gassing the Kurds" incident and I gave it to you. When I gave it to you, you tell me you know what you believe in and are not interested in "arguing over who did or did not ." This sounds to me like the proverbial, "my mind is made up, so don't bother (or confuse) with the facts." As I said, you are welcome to your opinions, but I resent being asked for documentation and when I give it, you don't even bother to consider it. I regard this as an inconsiderate waste of my time!
Regarding Robert Fisk, I know him very well and have read many of his articles and his book on the Lebanese civil war. He makes very good points but he has his occasional blind eye. Unlike many in the western miss-media, he presents a more realistic reporting on the Palestinians, the Lebanese and the Arabs in general. But when it comes to certain western fetishes, including Saddam Hussein, he repeats some of the same western nonsense.
Because of the way you treated my earlier post, I don't think I will take this conversaation with you any further.
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Re: The execution of Former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein...
Fri, January 5, 2007 - 5:19 PMIt wasn't my intent to imply any disrespect towards you at all, I'm sorry you interpretted it that way. I read and considered all the material in the link you provided, but I I don't think it alone was substantial enough to convince me when compared with all the other material I've read, including but not limited to Robert Fisk's book. Just because I'm not convinced to share your opinion at this point in time doesn't mean I harbor disrespect for you for holding your opinion.
Also, please don't read extra into what I write and interpret it into stuff that I didn't write. If I meant "my mind is made up...", I would have written that. I didn't mean that and didn't write it. I did write that I'm not interested in arguing about it, and that's what I meant. As far as I know there is nothing implicitly wrong with not wanting to argue a particular subject and I'm sorry that my saying so offended you. I didn't mean anything besides specifically that. I also feel it was unfair for you to assume that I didn't consider what you offered, because I actually spent the time to read it and consider it. I asked for it in the first place so I could look at it.
Robert Fisk may not be perfect, but I think he's pretty well informed and I think a lot more objective than many other parties out there. I thought the book I recommended was very specifically informing on the topic at hand, that's why I mentioned it. I disagree that he pandors to Western fetishes when it comes to Saddam. In the book he has many first hand accounts and interviews with people directly involved with Saddam. I think it's more likely he formed his opinion based on these interviews and his experiences in Iraq and not on prevailing opinions in the West. But I'm okay with you holding a different opinion of Robert Fisk. You've apparently read different material written by him than I have.
Sometimes I wonder why I even bother to ask questions or share my opinion. I'm not closed to learning stuff and new ideas, but I get tired of being constantly misread and insulted because I don't always immediately agree with people on stuff.
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