I'm having a baby in April, my first, and I know that the whole immunization thing really turns me off, but I want to know more. I want to know why. And I want to know the perks too. I want to know it all. What do you know?
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Re: Immunizations for infants and children
Thu, February 7, 2008 - 6:12 PMi had just posted this over at depression health tribe and as signed out saw your request. believe what you will, do what you must. good luck
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i bet the next big best thing will be and easily believed will be: vaccines for depression. and will be supported by the ama, etc. it will be plastered in all the big media outlets. was it will rogers who said: tell a person no enough times and they will come to believe, no.
Vaccinations ????
Vaccinations May Be Killing Your Child -- Oral Chelation Can Reverse Some Of That Damage!
Vaccines are injections of material that contains weakened amounts of the disease germ that they are meant to protect against. They are said to work by causing the formation of antibodies, which are proteins that defend the body from an invasion by harmful germs. Orthodox medicine contends that we can only be absolved from the peril of infection by vaccination, which involves injecting into the system infectious material which is supposed to confer lifelong immunity, hence the term "immunization."
Vaccinations are now mandatory in order for a student to enter school. Any child who is not vaccinated is not allowed into school with the reason given that that child will put all the other children at risk for disease. However, it is important to ask this question. If all the other children are vaccinated and vaccination gives immunity to the disease, how could an unvaccinated child put any of these other children at risk? Only the child himself could be at risk for the disease, and that should be the business of that particular child and his or her parents. It should be virtually impossible, if vaccinations actually work, for an unvaccinated child who may get a particular disease, to give it to other children who have been vaccinated.
But, in fact, vaccinations don't work! They are not effective! They do not give immunity! In addition, they are very dangerous!
An alarming observation comes from a London practitioner of excellent reputation and long experience. Dr. Hurbert Snow, Senior Surgeon at the Cancer Hospital of London, voiced his concern, "In recent years many men and women in the prime of life dropped dead suddenly, often after attending a feast or a banquet. I am convinced that some 80% of these deaths are caused by the vaccinations they have undergone. They are well known to cause grave and permanent disease to the heart. The coroner always hushes it up as "natural causes."
Another practitioner, Dr. W. B. Clark of Indiana, says that "Cancer was practically unknown until compulsory vaccination with cowpox vaccine began to be introduced. I have had to deal with at least two hundred cases of cancer, and I never saw a case of cancer in an unvaccinated person."
Yet the government has mandated compulsory vaccinations!
Most people trust vaccines to be safe and effective. The government is mandating children to be vaccinated at earlier and earlier ages, when they are very fragile and far more vulnerable to the introduction of foreign materials into their tiny bodies.
The public and the medical profession have been totally convinced that it was the introduction of vaccinations that caused the decrease in the incidence of polio.
Polio is virtually non-existent in the United States today. However, there is no credible scientific evidence that the vaccine caused polio to disappear. Before the Salk polio vaccine was introduced in 1953, the polio death rate in the United States had already declined by 47% on its own. It had also declined by 55% in England. Other European countries also showed a similar decline. When the vaccine did become available, many European countries questioned its effectiveness and refused to inoculate their citizens. Yet polio epidemics also ended in those countries.
The number of reported cases of polio after mass inoculations with the vaccine was significantly greater than before mass inoculations. And in many states the incidence of polio more than doubled after inoculations were introduced. In Rhode Island there was a 450 % increase, and in Massachusetts almost a 650 % increase in polio cases after the introduction of polio vaccinations.
After the vaccine was introduced, cases of polio were often reported under another name, aseptic meningitis, rather than as polio, even though they were counted as "polio" before the vaccine was introduced.
In 1976 Dr. Jonas Salk, creator of the killed virus vaccine that was used throughout the 1950s testified that the live virus vaccine produced by Dr. Sabin, and which was used almost exclusively in the United States since the early 1960s, was the "principle if not sole cause" of all reported cases of polio in the United States since 1961. According to the Centers for Disease Control figures, 87% of all cases of polio in the United States between 1973 and 1983 were caused by the vaccine. It is now admitted that since 1979 virtually every case of polio in the United States has been CAUSED by the vaccine.
The same situation holds true for nearly all other diseases including diphtheria, measles, rubella, mumps and whooping cough. In virtually all of these diseases, the incidence was dropping dramatically before the introduction of the vaccine. And since the introduction of the vaccine, close to 100% of all cases of the disease are in individuals who have been vaccinated for that particular disease, proving clearly, that vaccinations are not effective and they often cause the very disease they are supposed to prevent.
It is not a mystery as to why vaccinations are not effective. First, the natural immunity mechanism in the human body is designed to work when the disease develops in its natural way. When the normal route of immune system stimulation is bypassed by injection of the microorganism (bacteria or virus) through the skin, then effective immunity against the disease does not develop. One obvious factor proving that vaccinations are not effective is that an individual has to keep getting booster shots. If a person develops polio, measles, mumps, whooping cough or any other contagious disease, he has virtual lifelong immunity from one episode of the disease. But when an individual is vaccinated, he must keep getting "booster" shots at regular intervals. The "booster" shots are "necessary" because --- vaccinations DON'T WORK! They are not effective! And neither are the "boosters." And the individual often succumbs to the very disease that he has been vaccinated to prevent, most often as a direct result of being vaccinated.
Now how about the safety of vaccines. Vaccines are grown in the laboratory in monkey kidney cells, in human cells which may be cancerous, in chick embryo and in guinea pig cells. The cells are nourished with the blood serum from calves, which may be contaminated with numerous diseases such as bovine leukemia virus, bovine AIDS virus, or other diseases that the animals may have. Chemicals such as aluminum, formaldehyde (a human carcinogen) and M.S.G are used in processing of the vaccines, and thiomerosal, a derivative of mercury and a deadly poison, is used as a preservative. These chemicals and potential diseases are all injected into your child's body or your body as part of the vaccine.
One of the earliest vaccines introduced for general use in the United States was the pertussis vaccine for whooping cough, which was put into general use during the 1940s. Autism, a form of childhood schizophrenia, characterized by mental retardation, muteness (an inability to speak) and lack of responsiveness to human contact, was not known or described until 1943, about the same time that vaccinations were introduced.
In addition, monitors placed on infants who have been vaccinated show severe alterations in breathing patterns after the DPT (Diphtheria/Pertussis/Tetanus) shot. A precise breathing monitor called Cotwatch was used in a special study of SIDS, Sudden Infant Death Syndrome, and the children's breathing patterns were measured before and after DPT vaccination. The data clearly demonstrate that vaccination caused an extraordinary increase in episodes where breathing nearly ceased or actually stopped completely! Doctor Viera Scheibner, the author of the study, concluded that "Vaccination is the single most prevalent and most preventable cause of infant deaths."
Developmental disabilities have increased dramatically since the introduction of vaccinations. And this not a mystery since post-vaccinal encephalitis, inflammation of the brain, occurs after vaccinations and can cause serious injury to the brain and nervous system. Suppression of the immune system, causing an increased susceptibility to all diseases, is another effect of vaccination.
In the 1950's another disorder rapidly spread among school children and became prominent in medical science and health literature: Hyperactivity/Minimal Brain Dysfunction (ADD, Attention Deficit Disorder or ADHD, Attention Deficit Hyperactive Disorder). These children usually exhibit symptoms of neurological damage, frequently associated with vaccinations
Genetic mutation is also a possibility because, for example, the polio vaccine contains monkey kidney cells and calf serum. The combination of measles, mumps and rubella vaccine is prepared in chick embryo. Monkey kidney, calf serum and chick embryo are all foreign proteins to the human biological matter composed of animal cells. Because they are injected directly into the bloodstream they are able to change our genetic structure.
During the 1950s and 1960s millions of people were injected with polio vaccines that were contaminated with the SV 40 virus found in monkey kidney cells and a powerful immunosuppressor and trigger for HIV, the virus that causes AIDS.
How about flu shots? Flu vaccine is made from LAST year's flu virus so it is totally ineffective against THIS year's flu virus. No one knows what virus will be causing the flu this year, but it is almost never the same virus as last year. All of the hazards of the other vaccines are true for flu shots as well. "In 1976 more than 500 people who received their flu shots were paralyzed with Guillain Barre Syndrome, a sudden-onset paralysis that can be fatal. Thirty of these people died. During the same year, the incidence of Guillain Barre among flu-vaccinated U.S. Army personnel was 50% greater than among unvaccinated civilians ." (The Risk of Immunizations and How to Avoid Them, by Robert Mendelsohn, Ph.D.) There is also a suspicious correlation between seasonal outbreaks of Legionnaire's disease and the inoculation with flu vaccines.
Dr. John Seal of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease says that "Any and all flu vaccines are capable of causing Guillain Barre." I personally would NEVER get a flu shot nor would I ever advise anyone else to get one.
The bottom line is that the best way to develop natural immunity is to build a healthy immune system by the proper diet and lifestyle. Eating a diet of fruits, grains, vegetables, seeds and nuts that are preferably organically grown, preservative free and in a natural unprocessed state as close to nature as possible, with 75% of your food eaten raw, is optimum. Eliminate all refined sugar, all animal products including meat, poultry, fish, eggs and dairy products (including milk, cheese, yogurt, cottage cheese, etc.). Fresh air, exercise, plenty of rest and relief of stress by trust in God as well as all of the other steps outlined on my video "You Can't Improve On God" are essential for health. This is the only effective way to remain free from disease. It is impossible to get sick if your immune system is functioning properly. Bacteria and viruses do NOT attack a healthy body, just as insects and plant diseases do NOT attack healthy plants.
This is startling information for a population brought up to believe that vaccinations are not only safe but life-saving. They're considered by most of the population as "American" as apple pie. How we have been deluded! But there is hope. Waivers for vaccinations are still available and you can investigate them by calling your public health department or, if that is unsuccessful, educate yourself by ordering a pamphlet called "Vaccine State Laws and Vaccine Exemptions" available from New Atlantean Press. Call 505-983-1856. Here are some additional books if you are interested in learning more on this subject.
An excellent primer on vaccinations is entitled Vaccines: Are they Really Safe and Effective? by Neil Z. Miller
New Atlantean Press
P.O. Box 9638, Santa Fe, NM 87504
(505) 983-1856
www.new-atlantean.com/global
You can also order it through your book store.
Another informative book is: Murder By Injection, by Eustace Mullens
The National Council for Medical Research
P.O. Box 1105, Staunton, VA 2440l
The story of the medical conspiracy against America.
A video documenting the dangers of vaccination entitled: Dangers and Ineffectiveness of Vaccinations, Including Scientific Correlations to Sudden Infant Death Syndrome, by Viera Scheibner, Ph.D.
New Atlantean Press
P.O. Box 9638-T9, Santa Fe, NM 87504
505-983-1856
Though it is somewhat difficult to follow because of the presenter's heavy accent, this two-hour video contains much astounding and well-documented information.
Vaccination, by Viera Scheibner Ph.D. (book)
New Atlantean Press
P.O. Box 9638-T9, Santa Fe, NM 87504
505-983-1856
According to Viera Scheibner, Ph.D., medical preventive measures are not credible. In this book she compiles scientific studies from throughout the world showing how vaccines are often ineffective and can damage the immune system, and she gives numerous examples from 1950 to 1992.
Vaccination Condemned, book one, by Elben
Better Life Research
P.O. Box 42002, Los Angeles, CA 90042
The intention of this book is to present enough authentic incriminating evidence against vaccination to prove that vaccination has already condemned itself. It we wait for the medical establishment, or the vaccine labs, or health departments, schools, press or government to condemn it, the wait will be fruitless as vaccination has been killing and disabling people by the thousands for 200 years, and those in authority have not stopped it yet, and do not intend to.
To rebuild the immune system naturally:
Diseases Don't Just Happen (video) by Lorraine Day, M.D.
In this video, Dr. Day reveals the causes for many diseases including high blood pressure, diabetes, heart disease, cancer, arthritis, lupus, asthma and bronchitis, multiple sclerosis, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, stomach ulcers and diseases of the colon and many others, and gives the astonishing answers on how to get well without drugs!
You Can't Improve On God, (video) by Lorraine Day, M.D.
Dr. Day was diagnosed with invasive breast cancer but rejected standard therapies because of their destructive side effects and because those therapies often lead to death. She chose instead to rebuild her immune system using the natural, simple, inexpensive therapies designed by God and outlined in the Bible, so her body could heal itself. In this video Dr. Day reveals the exact plan she used to get well. Rebuilding the immune system is absolutely necessary in order to resist disease and to get well from EVERY disease.
Sorting Through The Maze of Alternative Medicine: What Works, What Doesn't and Why, (video) by Lorraine Day, M.D.
On this video Dr. Day discusses over 60 different types of alternative therapies including the over 40 therapies that she tried herself, and sorts them out for you so you don't have to go through the devastating struggle that she did.
If you missed it, you can go to either a SHORT explanation of the whole story, or a detailed explanation on ONE PAGE. On this page you are getting more detail on one part of the story, but on either of those pages you can get the broad picture. Don't miss reading one of them. You can actually spend many hours on this web site, depending on the depth of research and reading you want to do. There are an amazing 4,000 pages here -- more information on these general subjects than almost all other web sites combined! At some point along the way you will probably say, "Karl's crazy," and leave never to return to this site, or you will say "I want to try some of that oral chelation formula he writes about!" -
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Re: Immunizations for infants and children
Thu, February 7, 2008 - 6:17 PMsorry, that was depression help tribe.
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Re: Immunizations for infants and children
Thu, February 7, 2008 - 9:55 PMI'm a dad of a 7 month old and my wife is a ND (Bastyr grad). We have not gotten any vaccinations for our little guy and he has not been sick at all, no ear infections, nothing.
MY wife gives a lecture every 3 months on this very topic here in SF. I would be happy to send you a copy of the lecture notes. Message me with your address and I will put it in the mail. There are many great ND's in Seattle and the Bastyr clinic in Wallingford is a great resource for you.
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Re: Immunizations for infants and children
Thu, February 7, 2008 - 9:58 PMJust got this in my email and wanted to share, interesting perspective, but a little over my head...
In Praise of Vaccines and Fevers
Jacob Schor, ND, FABNO
Ground Hogs Day, 2008
Many believers in alternative medicine, especially many of our patients, devoutly avoid vaccinations. The point of this article is not to argue the pros and cons of vaccinations but to review some fascinating data on immune function and disease. Those readers, who consider any positive comments on the use of immunizations to be a form of blasphemy, may find the following material objectionable. My preference is to keep all of you on this mailing list. Seeing replies in my inbox with “REMOVE” in the subject line is just so depressing. So, if it is you that I’m talking about, please read no further.
Before scientists knew that endotoxins in cow manure dust stimulated the immune system and lowered risk of lung cancer, they already knew of another dust that was protective. Back in the 1970s, data showed that people working in cotton factories had lower risk of lung cancer. Cotton dust, like cow manure, contains endotoxins.
Harvey Checkoway at the University of Washington has published a series of papers about this. He and his colleagues have followed the cancer rates of female cotton textile workers in Shanghai, China for years. The more dust these women breath, the lower their incidence of cancers. Note that I wrote the plural, ‘cancers.’ The women had lower risk for several cancer types, including pancreatic, liver, lung, and breast cancer.
Not all dust is protective. For example, workers in paper mills are at greater than average risk for cancer. This increase may be due to the dust or because of exposure to some chemicals used in the mill. Similar increased risk occurs in hard metal workers.
One unexpected way to trigger the immune system to prevent cancer is through vaccines.
Klaus Kölmel of the University of Göttingen has written some fascinating papers about this. He has concluded that Vaccinia, the virus that was once used to vaccinate against smallpox, and the BCG vaccine used against tuberculosis, had a protective effect. He and his colleagues have produced a series of papers that suggest childhood vaccinations protect those who got them decades later from cancer. I say had because these vaccines are rarely given these days.
In a 2002 paper, Kölmel compared vaccinations received by 603 people diagnosed with melanoma with those of 627 controls. The people given either the TB vaccine as a baby, or the smallpox vaccine, or both, were less likely to develop melanoma (overall risk 0.44). For people less than 50 years old, the protective effect was stronger. The risk dropped by a factor of four, suggesting the cancer protective effect of the vaccines weakens with age.
In 2003, Kolmel published data that suggest that vaccination against tuberculosis lowers risk leukemia.
Here’s where it gets interesting. Using the same people as in the 2002 paper, Kolmel published a paper in 2003 examining the combined effect of vaccination and a feverish illness at protecting against cancer.
Risk of developing melanoma decreased by 63% if someone had experienced a high fever (>38.5 C or >101.3 F). If they had a fever and also had been vaccinated either against Tb or Smallpox, risk of melanoma dropped even further, a decrease of 71% compared to those who were unvaccinated and had not experienced high fevers.
Not only did the vaccinations protect against getting melanoma, if vaccinated people were unlucky enough to get melanoma, they had a smaller chance of dying from it than their unvaccinated counterparts.
Timing matters. Only people who received the vaccine as babies appear to gain protection. Vaccinating patients already diagnosed with melanoma appears to be too late to help.
Other vaccines may also provide benefit. No one has yet run studies to ask if they do.
The simplest explanation why these vaccines provide such long lasting protection against cancer goes back to that same endotoxin exposure theory used to explain how manure and cotton exposure provides protection.
There is little argument that the immune system can provide protection against cancer. The immunosuppressant drugs used by organ transplant patients increase their risk of getting melanoma by 300-400%.
Lin Zhang of the University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia reported in 2003 that patients whose ovarian tumors contained immune cells had a 38 per cent chance of surviving at least five years, compared with just 5 per cent for those whose tumors contained none.
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It may also be that endotoxins act as an adjuvant. An adjuvant is a substance added to vaccines that increases the strength of the immune response. The main portion of a vaccine is a protein specific isolated from the disease that teaches the immune to recognize that specific disease causing agent. The adjuvant makes the immune system wake up and pay attention. Vaccine makers have long known that adding an adjuvant will create a stronger response.
The immune system may already recognize the tumor cells but it takes the adjuvant, in these cases the endotoxins or the vaccines, to trigger these immune cells to actually attack the cancer.
Another theory to explain all this is that infections balance immune system function. Exposure to various infections and triggers keeps the immune system functioning better.
Then there is this business about fever. Any mention of fevers and cancer has to mention Coley Toxins. In the 1890s, an American doctor named William Coley started treating cancer by inducing fevers with bacterial preparations. He injected these mixtures directly into the tumors until the patient spiked a fever. Apparently if the patient survived the infection and the fever, they had an improved chance of surviving the cancer. This story is interesting but I’m going to skip it now and write about it in detail in the future.
Kölmel's data suggest that fever lowers melanoma risk. Cancer cells are more vulnerable to heat than normal cells. Dying cancer cells produce extra antigen that is recognized by the immune system.
There may be a more specific mechanism going on in melanoma to explain this. Whether someone develops melanoma apparently depends on an ancient viral gene in our genome. We carry genetic material from some retroviruses in our genes. They are referred to as human endogenous retroviruses (HERVs) and they are linked to developing some cancers.
The HERV genes get turned on in certain cancers. Melanoma cells produce lots of a protein called HERV-K-MEL. The TB bacterium, the Vaccinia virus and other pathogens all produce proteins containing very similar sequences to HERV-K-MEL. A colleague of Kolmel has proposed that the immune response to the pathogens in the vaccines could also trigger an attack on cells producing HERV-K-MEL.
None of this is full proof; neither vaccines, fever, cotton nor manure protect against all cancers. It is even possible that some cancers could increase
As I’ve written before, biology tends to be messy.
I’m reminded of a recent article that is probably interesting only to certain minds. John Kappelman from the University of Texas wrote briefly in September 2007 on finding a chunk of human-like skull preserved in a piece of Turkish tile. The skull dates back half a million years. Though the fragment was small, scientists were able to determine that the original owner suffered from tuberculosis. Our kind have been living with tuberculosis for a long time and it is not so outlandish to think that our immune systems need a dose of Tb to be at their best. Of course, this paper also suggests that next time you are shopping for tile at Home Depot, look carefully; you never know what you will find.
Smallpox vaccination was stopped in the 1970s (except for US military personnel who started getting it again in 2002). The BCG vaccine was stopped in many countries in the 1990s. BCG was never used in the US.
It is predicted that the protective effect against melanoma provided by these vaccines will wear off around 2010 as people who were born after these vaccines were retired get old enough to develop melanoma.
We should hope that these theories prove wrong or else we may see a ‘unexplained’ surge in the number of cases of melanoma in the next few years.
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Re: Immunizations for infants and children
Mon, February 11, 2008 - 4:27 AMa bit over your head...
does your wife support vaccinations or not?
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