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I hope this doesn't seem like a stupid question, but I was wondering, How much is too much when it comes to pain and breasts? I don't mean like a threshold for pain, or a personal preference sort of thing. I mean like a health issue. Is there anything that could really harm them with a lot of rough grabbing and stuff?
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Re: breast play
Sat, February 18, 2006 - 9:49 PMYou know, I've been in the scene for a couple of decades and talked to more than a few doctors and other health care types about this issue, and the best answer I've found is: nobody knows.
It's certain that if she has cystic breasts, or implants, you should avoid rough grabbing or heavy impact.
Beyond that, I've heard every possible opinion. Some docs seem to feel that there is little risk involved, others that there is a real possibility of turning a couple of cancerous cells into a full-on growth.
I'd make sure that the woman involved has done lots of homework about the risks and about her own health history, then let her choose what risks she wants to take with her own body. -
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Re: breast play
Sun, February 19, 2006 - 10:31 AMJanet's understanding mirrors my own. Nobody really knows.
I do know several people who have had so many play piercings on and around their nipples that their nipples have become largely scar tissue and aren't particularly sensitive any more. And I've heard similar stories about asses from folks who like paddling - something physically changes in the nerves, apparently from the compression of paddles. I would assume something similar would be true for paddling breasts.
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Tue, December 2, 2008 - 12:07 AMI'm reviving this thread, with an additional question.
What exactly constitutes "heavy" impact with respect to breasts? Is it a purely subjective question - on the part of the bottom?
Yes, I know, no one can exactly quantify these things, but what guidelines do folks use to determine how much is too much in this particular region?
I like having my nipples hit to a certain extent, but full impact on the whole breast is much more noxious and scary, and I really hate it when I'm hit hard there. It's right up there on the "bad pain" scale. Over the years, I've sometimes been hit in a way that makes it feel like something I can't quite describe, but it makes me think the moorings of my breast are going to pull loose from my chest wall. It almost has a sharp, cutting quality deep inside when that happens, like more is swinging with the hit than just the pendulous parts. I guess it's sort of like trying to run hard without a bra, but worse. The thought has often gone through my mind that it's like there's a plate in there that's getting knocked around and feels like it's breaking, and it hurts like a sonofabitch.
Bottom line, I really don't know how to assess if I'm being hit too hard for safety when someone is hitting my breasts - or if I'm just being a wuss.
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Re: breast play
Mon, December 8, 2008 - 12:45 PMHi klg,
~~~What exactly constitutes "heavy" impact with respect to breasts? Is it a purely subjective question - on the part of the bottom?>>snip<<but what guidelines do folks use to determine how much is too much in this particular region?~~~
I think each person out there has their own scale of light to heavy impact play, for sure (and not just for breast play), so I would agree it is subjective on the part of the bottom.
Personally, I like breast play to an extent, but I draw the line at "thud" style canings, and balled fist strikes. I haven't had a scene involving these that I liked, and have no desire to go through the discomfort of trying them out again and again when I enjoy so many other things so much more. I know other women who relish the deep bruising and weeks long ache of it, but not me. I stick with a lot of sting, nipple pinches, open hand slaps, that sort of thing.
Finally, as for guidelines, I go with the old standby; if it's too far up on the scale to be fun, then it's too much. Not raising an objection when you're not enjoying yourself certainly doesn't constitute being a wuss.
If it's no fun for you, then put a limit on it. :)
~S
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Re: breast play
Thu, March 26, 2009 - 1:28 AMI just found some interesting additional information about fatty tissue necrosis of the breasts as a result of trauma or bondage at fetlife.com/groups/1900/..._posts/123183
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Re: breast play
Sun, February 19, 2006 - 9:01 AMHeavy impact play CAN (but not always) cause cysts. Cysts in themselves are not harmful, but it is possible that they will interfere with readings of mammograms. Opinions vary.
MOST doctors agree that you can't cause breast cancer by heavy impacts, but SOME doctors believe that existing tumors can be damaged in ways that cause them to metastasize (sp?).
It also MAY be possible to break the milk glands around the nipples, thus interfering with subsequent breast feeding.
No one is positive about the perils here. No one has actually done any studies or amassed data on this. And it's not likely to get funding any time soon.
I tend to err on the side of caution and do mostly surface pain play in this area. You can get a lot of bang for the buck with light toys and clamps. I'm a great afficianado of sting.
The bottom really needs to study the (meager) information on risks (there is a true story on my website about a couple who did heavy breast play) and make up her own mind. I would think it wrong for the top to make up his/her own mind on this without the bottom being aware and consenting to the risks of heavy breast play. That said, once the bottom consents, it's no one else's business.
Domina
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Mon, February 20, 2006 - 1:53 AMI think you also have to look at what sort of specific play you're talking about. As others have said, no one really knows the risks, but I think they were referring primarily to impact play.
I've seen things like people being suspended by their breasts, though, and something like that *definitely* has the potential to tear the underlying muscles, which wouldn't be a whole lot of fun at all, and would probably require surgery to repair. I suppose that theoretically, rough *enough* grabbing could do the same thing.
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Re: breast play
Mon, February 20, 2006 - 9:58 AMI've heard far more concerns expressed about compression play, actually. Boards clamped together, wound wrapping, etc. -
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Re: breast play
Mon, February 20, 2006 - 5:07 PMFull breast suspensions are risky but some people LOVE them. If you're playing with someone that is augmented though, that means no suspensions from the breasts and noreally hard impact play or squishing in a vice.
Take care,
Chanta
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Re: breast play
Tue, February 21, 2006 - 12:46 AM>> I've heard far more concerns expressed about compression play, actually. Boards clamped together, <<
That's the sort of breast suspension I've seen pictures of and that I'm referring to - the breasts clamped between a couple of boards, and the bottom hauled up by the boards.
Wendy
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Mon, February 20, 2006 - 11:04 AMYou are definitely correct there, Wendy. If you look at the composition of the breasts, they are mostly fatty tissue with some underlying muscle. NOT something that is going to be good to suspend the whole body weight from. That will almost certainly cause serious damage.
Compression play would depend on the form of compression, location, and how long it is in place.
In many cases, it is no more likely to cause problems than a tight bra. In others, the way it is structured puts so much pressure on the breast, in a bad way, that it may rip tendons and muscles.
It would behoove all of us to study some anatomy.
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Tue, February 21, 2006 - 12:50 AM>> It would behoove all of us to study some anatomy. <
Absolutely. In many cases, just the knowledge of what and where the underlying structures are will provide many answers to what's OK to do or not do.
Wendy
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Re: breast play
Wed, February 22, 2006 - 1:50 AM>> I hope this doesn't seem like a stupid question, <<
BTW, there are no stupid questions - at least not on this tribe ;->
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Fri, March 3, 2006 - 4:58 PM<<BTW, there are no stupid questions - at least not on this tribe ;->
Wendy>>
Thanks Wendy, because I think I might just have one. (a stupid question, that is. Or a beginners question maybe)
Speaking of breast play ....
I was playing with someone last night, or rather, at this particular moment, he was playing with me, and I had to ask him to ease up a little. I like to feel pain and pleasure at the same time, but he was playing with my nipples and going almost beyond what I could take. I didn't stop him. I just remember saying to him, "It's almost too much," a few times, and him bringing me back down to the pleasure zone again.
Anyway, this morning, I have a bruise on my right nipple that really hurts. I have never had a bruise there before. It's a bite mark actually. Wearing a sports bra to go workout today was agony.
How long is it going to take for this to go away? feel better? stop hurting?
See, I told you it was a dumb question. -
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Fri, March 3, 2006 - 5:06 PMNot a dumb question. The only problem is that the answer isn't very helpful. It depends. It could go away in 2-3 days or it could last weeks. It depends on how fast your body heals. -
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Sat, March 4, 2006 - 8:56 AM>> It depends on how fast your body heals. <<
And how deep and extensive the particular bruise is. Not to mention other things going on in your life. Are you taking aspirin or any other NSAID, for example? Those will slow the healing process down. So will hot showers or camping out in a hottub.
Different body parts may also heal at different rates, so even if you know how fast one area heals, that isn't necessarily an indicator of how quickly a breast bruise will heal. Nipples are also particularly tender.
If you want to speed up the healing, you can try putting ice on it - but not for more than 20 minutes at a time, and be sure it's wrapped in a towel so it's not in contact with the bare skin. Other people may have other suggestions for limiting bruising. I've never paid any attention to those remedies, though, because I like to prolong my bruises.
BTW, don't freak out if the skin starts getting crusty and sloughing off. That happens sometimes with nipples that have been tortured. It's just the outter layer of skin and insignificant. At least one physician I've played with who ought to know who's caused it on me more than once hasn't seemed at all concerned when I've reported it to him. He's actually seemed highly entertained. Friggin' sadists.
Cripes, it must be nipple torture week. I hadn't even realized until I saw this latest post that I've still got one myself from Sunday evening. It's only barely tender now, but all greenish-yellow.
Oh, and BTW, if you start getting any redness, heat, or swelling around the site, go see a doctor.
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Sat, March 4, 2006 - 8:57 AMAnd yes, it's just a beginner's question, not a stupid one at all.
Wendy
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Re: "Friggin' sadists."
Sat, March 4, 2006 - 10:06 AMI can think of very few few things I enjoy more than watching C's body (or anyone's for that matter...) recover/heal/respond to what we've done together, over the days (or even a couple weeks) afterwards.
Well, DOING what requires the healing, of course....
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Re: breast play
Sat, March 4, 2006 - 8:03 AMActually I had a similar issue, which is why I started this thread. For me it took like, 3 days for it to stop hurting, and more like 5 or 6 for the bruises to actually go away.
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Sat, March 4, 2006 - 11:53 AMGo to the health food store and pick up some DMSO gel. It really speeds up the healing time. I had some really deep briusing from a flogging/caning session, and was able to get the bruises to go away within about 4 days, and they never turned blue because I started the DMSO right away. I have heard that the DMSO binds to the iron and allows the body to transport it easier. It is a solvent, so make sure the area you are putting it on is clean without any chemicals on the skin, or the DMSO will transport the chemicals directly into the skin. The DMSO can get irritating , so dont put it on more than 3-4 times a day. DMSO is used medically for organ preservation. -
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Sat, March 4, 2006 - 6:05 PMthanks everyone. tonight it only hurts when I think about it or when something actually touches it.
it is a relief to have a place to ask a beginner Q and not have to be embarrassed or get laughed at.
Melissa
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Thu, March 26, 2009 - 10:19 PMAnd a note from the hula hoopers tribe: Arnica gel is good for bruises........ -
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Fri, March 27, 2009 - 12:36 AMSo is comfrey! If you get comfrey (also called boneset, by some old-school herbalists), and make a compress out of it (they should be able to tell you how, when you buy it), it will help speed up healing. Also, willow bark tea. One of my favorite "Oh, God, I need to get this bruise healed FAST" remedies is to pick up some comfrey, steep it in some willow bark tea, soak it in a pad, and put it on the bruised part. It also has salicylic (sp?) acid in it, which helps restore healthy skin as well as underlying tissue fibers, and the willow bark is a natural pain killer--it's where they originally got aspirin, but in this form it's a topical, so you don't have to worry AS MUCH about blood thinning properties.
I'm a big fan of mixing the comfrey, willow bark, and arnica into a compress or balm. Works wonders.
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