Hi
I have been having a go at making PVC Ney type flutes for a while now.I was wondering if anyone could tell me what the constriction in or below a ney mouthpiece does?Bulgarian and Macedonian Kavals don't seem to have it.
Thanks
Greg
New Zealand
I have been having a go at making PVC Ney type flutes for a while now.I was wondering if anyone could tell me what the constriction in or below a ney mouthpiece does?Bulgarian and Macedonian Kavals don't seem to have it.
Thanks
Greg
New Zealand
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The contsriction on a plastic ney corresponds to the node on the cane; the upper node is not opened up as much as the others, so it is a smaller hole. I think it makes the instruments play better in tune and have a better tone.
The kaval is not a ney...related, but different. Don't a lot of kavals have some sort of widening of the chamber near the mouthpiece?
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About the turkish ney, I read somewhere ( cannot remenber where) that it is the inside section of the baspare and the half (or less than half ) open first node of the reed that contributes to the caractheristic sound of this flute.
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yes...all ney have the upper node constriction, and then the Turkish bas,pare adds even more to the tone with its tulip shaped chamber.
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In acoustics, a constriction in a pipe is a "low pass filter", letting the low frequencies through
but I'm not sure if that is what exactly takes place in a ney.
It may be that the 'filter' helps promote harmonics of the primary tones that give rise to the neys breathy sound.
It is also interesting that the rough dimensions of the top section is 2/26, which corresponds with
all the other fractional dimensions (x/26) of the neys tone holes.
When I make a ney, I can only play the highest notes when that top node is first perforated. As the hole
is enlarged, lower notes slowly come into play. Once the lowest notes are playable, I stop enlarging the hole.
I don't know if this is the correct way to make a ney or not.
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Thanks everybody for your replies to my question.
Woody, can you please explain your x/26 method of positioning toneholes?It sounds interesting.
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Its based on a drawing of a ney on a website, from several years ago.
It shows, from mouth piece to bottom, fractional positions of hole centers at: (perforated node at top) 24/26,
back hole 13/26, next six holes at 10/26, 9/26, 8/26, 6/26, 5/26, and 4/26.
These are fractions of the total length of the ney.
I tested this by measuring a couple ney I had, and several images of sets on the internet. They all follow this closely.
I then made a full size ney 'graph' (actually a nomogram), which shows a gradation of these measurements.
To this graph I also added the node positions for the approximate 'best' placement of the 8 nodes.
When I pick a piece of suitable Arundo cane, I can then slide it around on my graph and find what ney that cane might become.
Its a little bit of trial and error. When I finish a ney, I then compare it to a tuner, and make notes on my graph
as to where the various neys, C,D,E,F..... are falling into place.
-Woody
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The Material of the Baspare is also very important, I use baspare from Yucel Mehmet made from Derlin witch I thing is the best material, check in my site for The photos and the desriptions
www.p-zaranis.gr/baspare_en.htm
Also I Believe that the hole must be exactly 17mm and only for peple who play with biger angle can be 17,2 mm
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Petros,
This is great you posted this. I lost the Baspare from my one Turkish ney in hurricane Katrina.
I was swimming around and found the ney but the Baspare fell out and sank.
So now I know where to order a new Baspare!
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Woody , If you only lost a baspare at katrina times You were very Lucky . It was amistake in my site for Ycels adress. This is correct www.p-zaranis.gr/YucelMusic.htm
In some days, I will also sale baspare and ney from my site with PayPal
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