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Hey Kids,
I thought I'd change the topic away from No Alternative. I think we should also use this tribe for non NA topics. What really got me into playing was the early bands I saw at the Mab. Some of the bands that really left a mark on me were DOA, Negative Trend, The Dils, The Avengers and the Sleepers. How about you?
Back then, none of us (with the exception of Greg Ingraham and a few others) could play their instruments. We were raw, but full of energy. It was a do it yourself movement and we did it ourselves. We had shitty equipment but did our best. I can remember guys like Cip from the Dils showing me how to put strings on my guitar the right way. I once sat around with Jimmy Wilsey playing guitar. He showed me a bunch of really cool guitar licks. One of them was gauranteed to get the ladies! We had parties where we sat around and put together 45s for bands. I did some art work for the original Negative Trend 45.
There we also cliques: You had the Art Institute crowd who were there from the beginning. You had the Marxist group, the druggie groups, the rockabilly groups, to mention a few. Remember the house parties and rent parties? Let's here a few stories from you kids! Now I sit in middle age, doing the same things I did back then. However, now I bitch about my equipment if its not first rate and run the bands business from my laptop. Remember when you had to go out all night and wheat paste flyers on to telephone poles?
I thought I'd change the topic away from No Alternative. I think we should also use this tribe for non NA topics. What really got me into playing was the early bands I saw at the Mab. Some of the bands that really left a mark on me were DOA, Negative Trend, The Dils, The Avengers and the Sleepers. How about you?
Back then, none of us (with the exception of Greg Ingraham and a few others) could play their instruments. We were raw, but full of energy. It was a do it yourself movement and we did it ourselves. We had shitty equipment but did our best. I can remember guys like Cip from the Dils showing me how to put strings on my guitar the right way. I once sat around with Jimmy Wilsey playing guitar. He showed me a bunch of really cool guitar licks. One of them was gauranteed to get the ladies! We had parties where we sat around and put together 45s for bands. I did some art work for the original Negative Trend 45.
There we also cliques: You had the Art Institute crowd who were there from the beginning. You had the Marxist group, the druggie groups, the rockabilly groups, to mention a few. Remember the house parties and rent parties? Let's here a few stories from you kids! Now I sit in middle age, doing the same things I did back then. However, now I bitch about my equipment if its not first rate and run the bands business from my laptop. Remember when you had to go out all night and wheat paste flyers on to telephone poles?
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Re: Best Bay Area Punk Band
Wed, April 11, 2007 - 6:33 AMAll the bands you mentioned are quite special to me, including yours. Throw The Avengers in there for good measure too! I wonder if there will ever be a musical revolution that was soooo grass roots as the beginning of the punk scene. Simply put, amazing. -
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Wed, April 11, 2007 - 6:40 PMThanks Ken,
We need to recruit more people for this tribe and get them to share. Any suggestions....Johnny
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Wed, April 11, 2007 - 9:01 PMOK, someone HAS to start, although those of you that know me also know I have difficulty shutting up- the will to speak is too strong (sigh)...
My memories tend to revolve around people, even though sometimes I can't quite remember their names....it seems like many many years, but really it was only a few years, and hard to define. 77/78 through early 80's....things were always changing, exciting, never stagnant.
I remember my friend Tina, dragging me to see the Nuns at SIR (a rehearsal).
Buying the first Ramones 45 at a little record shop at Stonestown Mall. Sex Pistols single at the record shop on Castro street.
The Coalminers benefit at the Mab....with a lot of bands (Avengers, Dils, UXA.....)
"New Youth" meetings, and Sadie making quesadilla's on her gas burners, and planning on changing the future (LOL)....and our joke "gang" names for the north of market vs south of market kids. North of Market Anarchist Death Squad (NOMADS) and South of Market Punk Revolutionary Army (SOMPRA's) and never knowing where that put ME, being from the Sunset district! The PopTarts....The Only English Band That Ever Mattered...Will Shatter setting the crock of napkins on fire at the Cafe Nord, where for some reason people were meeting regularly...leaving Sadies apartment one night and seeing the packed crowd on the street-following it towards Civic Center, on what turned out to be the White Night after the Dan White verdict.
Meeting Tresca and and Vince at the Bagel on Polk Street, Rozz and DeeDee with a hotel room full of Valley of the Dolls copies, Robin Brewer and her everything checkered bedroom (EVERYTHING)...listening to the Jam with Alexis..."pegging" our jeans, coz you couldn't buy them back then....
I remember Rico and Henry, and the flat above their store on Divisidero, and stashing my LP's there when I ran away from home. Crashing that first night at Peter and (what was his girlfriend/wife's name-Caitlin??)- they had to go out but asked me to let in the friends they were expecting that night- DOA - I was scared to death, they turned out to be harmless <g> Lauren and Chris letting me stay at their place, and helping me find my feet...
Reading the names of the walls in the...that was that place with the Jewish names on the walls-was it the Temple Beautiful?..when the Rockats played, which reminds me also of the koolaid parties after the Jonestown thing.
Oh, the Deaf club - .....remember the Deaf Club, and the Sound of Music? Don V stole an ashtray there and gave it tome- I think I still have it.
A party somewhere off California street, and Ju pouring a bottle of cheap wine all over me (it was an accident).....I could smell it for days. A party at Vicky's (Berndt? on Octavia), staying over after, and an earthquake the next morning. I have pictures of that one. A party at Tom Treason and Marks, and the "my name is" badges were kotex pads....some guy (??Tom) that brought boxes of porn over to the Lewd house, and showed the films on a projector.
Olga and Heidi picking me up at school- boy did they turn heads. Suddenly realizing there were other freaks in the world- as they say, priceless...Insane Jane came to school too....and Baba came to a school play I was working on....
Nancy's car getting stuck on a cement block in the parking lot near the Mab, and some HUGE rastas sitting on the back end of the car to spring it free (we tore off the oil pan)...Sara Brinkers birthday, drinking rum in the Mab alley....
Sama, and Susie Creamcheese..
2 trips to New York - one for a month (summer 79), one for almost a year (fall 80- Summer 81). I'll spare the west-coasters those memories...except....
Seeing a sort-of Dolls reunion, at Max's, when the other band members joined Thunders on stage. My first "date" with my (now)husband- an Off's show ....Brett despised California bands, but he liked the Offs, mostly because (I think) he was fond of Don.
Coming home, straight off the plane, dropping bags at my moms and going to the Ibeam.
Annie McLintock and Mark D'Arc from Berkeley rolling their car on the Fremont offramp, the ensuing "glad they're alive" party at the Traveloge on Market Street, drinking Kamikaze's in the shower...
When Flipper changed the street signs on Clipper - pasted a "F" over the C....the apartment off Clipper, and Carla-MadDog trying desperately to teach me to play drums (impossible, I haven't the coordination)...to the Wild,The Beautiful and the Damned...
OK, I'll shut up now....there is later stuff, I could write a book. So many people that were part of my life, so many people that I miss now...so many gone too soon.
I could go on,or delve deeper, but this is a start at remembering a time that now seems so distant. Did any of these things stir up other memories for anyone else out there?
BTW,I could never play a damn thing- I tried...bass and drums...I stunk. No musical gift here - thank the Goddess my kids got musical ability (and math) from their dad. It didn't matter. What mattered to ME was being surrounded by people that inspired, challenged and taught me. Experiencing the scene and the music as it happened, right in my face. Flyering (sp?) with wheat paste <g>....
OK,someone else needs to get sappy and reminisce here....
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Thu, April 12, 2007 - 8:46 AMI remember when I played with the offs, we went up to tour the Northwest . Don would take the song "My Girl" and sing it as "My Guy." I kept waiting for us to get our asses kicked, but it never happened. It's funny how things change. Chip from the Dils was aways too cool for little kids like me (back then). Now we happily email each other. I saw Peter Urban last year. He looks good. Fighting the good fight for the Irish (my people). Catlin, sadly died. I see Greg Ingraham from the Avengers weekly. He is such a nice guy. I ran into Vale at Dirks house last year, he's doing well. One of my closest friends is Jimmy from Crucifix. I used to see him every week at Lennon Studios, but since we built a studio here at the Genocide compound I don't see him as much. I see Chris Olson a good deal (my stepbrother). He's doing well. I saw Bob Morgan at Dirks service, but could only talk for two minutes because I had to leave early.
I saw Stan Fluoride yesterday. He's such a smart and talented fellow. Ron Yokam from the SeaHags is back in action and they're playing this month. Jennifer (my wife) emails back and forth with Bruce Loose. I email back and forth with Fritz from the Mutants. Man, he is all over the place. One days he's building a house is Maine, the next he's rock climbing in the Rockies. I got an email from Chuck aka Robo from Black Flag. I'm in touch with Lee Childers from New York as well as Chris Stein from Blondie. I'm starting to sound like Ginger Coyote writing the monthly gossip!
As to those I haven'e heard anything about, there's Sama, Susie, Dav Vacant (he did have a certain strange charm) and so many others. I run into to people that remember me and, of course, I can't remember them (to much chemical fun). As for those who died, well, we all know about them and I don't want to end this with a bummer. I will say that I was able to speak with Dirk Dirksen quite a bit before he passed on. I am sorry I didn't get to see Denz before he went.
Thanks so much Kirsten for posting. We need more tribe members so we can swap stories like the bunch of middle aged punks we are!
Johnny
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Fri, April 13, 2007 - 4:18 PMI always loved the Mutants. Went to see them a fair amount, because my friend Jim plays with them, but absurdly, perhaps, I never considered them punk. I hope they wouldn't mind knowing this. It was something else. In a category all of its own.
I LOVED and LOVE the Offs.. never considered them punk somehow. Off's first record is one of the few things I kept on vinyl, with that brilliant Basquiat cover. It's been one of my internal soundtracks since the first time I heard it.
I don't think they were a Bay Area band but one of the funnest and funniest shows I ever saw, I think at the Mab, was Toy Dolls. OMG. It was like watching a live cartoon.
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Sat, April 14, 2007 - 8:22 PMIt's hard to define "best" in terms of punk anyways...and hard to define "punk as" well! So many things were in the moment back then, that it's impossible to pick just one. So many bands/performances were memorable, it's hard to pick the best of those either. Had a whole lotta fun, at a lot of memorable shows, seeing a lot of great bands, and although some stand out ( Dead Boys at Old Waldorf perhaps? Rockats at Temple Beautiful? Nick Cave at - wow where WAS that show????.....).
You know NA was always a standout for me :>). Negative Trend.....Dils....Rank N File....Vs.....Nuns....Zeros....Buck Naked...MCM.....oh, the Germs at the Deaf Club.
Remember when Murder "killed" Shoshana (in the bridal getup) on stage?...that was memorable! I don't know if it earns the title "best" LOL
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Sun, April 15, 2007 - 7:31 AMThe Toy Dolls show, was that at The On Broadway with Toxic Reasons? If son that was the show that I went to in '83 and it was one of the best shows I ever went to. -
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Sun, April 15, 2007 - 8:48 AMKen - the time I saw the Toy Dolls was defnitely later than 83 - I would venture to guess more like 86. Maybe 85....
The best (industrial) band I FAILED to see was Einstürzende Neubauten, I believe at the IBeam. I was so crazy for Blixa, but parking was impossible and we ended up going to this old fashioned ice cream parlor instead - a ridiculously zany night when we ended up talking about a whole host of wonderful things from our childhoods.
Sometimes the best times were the times you didn't make it to the show :)
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Sun, April 15, 2007 - 2:59 PMI saw Neubaten one time at some warehouse type place SOM - I think in conjunction with a Mark Pauline performance, or some other industrial thing- anyways, this very slender young guy, obviously plastered, kept wailing "Blixxxxxxxxxa.....I lovvvvvveeeee youuuuuuu" and flinging himself at the stage, only to be grabbed and tossed back into the crowd. Always wondered if he remembered the next day, and how battered he was.... -
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Sun, April 15, 2007 - 3:55 PMLOL al extremis Kirsten!
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Mon, April 16, 2007 - 12:47 PMomg that was at DV8 I think the opening.. but the performances were outside... chickens... sheep... fire fire fire!!!! heh.. heh. um.... word.
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Sun, April 15, 2007 - 5:45 PMActually 85 sounds alot better. I was closer to drinking age at that time. 83 being right after high school. Oh well.
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Mon, May 21, 2007 - 7:42 PMElaine,
Terry Hammer put out a CD of the Offs live! To play along with your internal soundtrack!!
From his website:
Offs "Live At The Mabuhay , NOV 7 1980 " in san francisco california as it was.....when it began
Catalog # VA-02-2
1.- Dirk Dirksen intro 2.- Think 3.-100 Dollar Limosine
4.- Die Babylon 5.- My World 6.- Everyone's A Bigot
7.- A Million To One 8.- Black Sun 9.- Pusher
10.- Funk It Honey 11.- You Fascinate Me 12.- One More Shot
13.- Why Boy 14.- Why Boy Judgement Day Dub 15.- I Got The Handle
16.- Johnny Too Bad 17.- Sweet Jane 18.- Heroin
19.- 624803 20.- Dirk Dirksen outro
Available only on CD , this live show features the best versions of all of the shows that I recorded for the "Fab Mab Live" radio broadcasts. If
direct from Vampir for $10.00 postage paid
send money order to:
Terry Hammer
P.O. Box 1098
Mansfield,OH 44901-1098
www.angelfire.com/oh/livepe...ampir.html
his email:
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Tue, May 22, 2007 - 1:26 PMomg omg.. 624803! Wow oh the memories I must have this like... now! -
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Tue, May 22, 2007 - 6:33 PMIt's a great recording too!! Tad more on the funky side of things than their earlier stuff. Sound quality is great! -
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Thu, May 24, 2007 - 8:55 PMJoy Stick, you are a continual source of delight and healing for me! I must get this immediately! Big thanks! Elaine
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