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While I'm not going to pretend I am not beyond my ego's influence, I am going to state again that no, this isn't about *me* as an individual being correct... it is about one human attempting to point out fallacies being perpetuated by some humans to other humans. It's not "I'm right, you're wrong," it's "I, as a thinking and caring human, see problems with this idea."

Yes, the Gregorian calendar is annoying and silly, but in the grand scheme of things it is really not that big a problem. That our disbelief in it should lead to a change in the rotation of the Earth is about as possible as the colour of whatever shirt I wear affecting the day's weather because I believe my blue shirt makes it rain.

I don't see exactly what problem you feel I am apparently running away from (is it not believing that believing in Jose Arguelles' prophecies will change the rotation of the Earth?), but it seems to me you choose to ignore new information if it conflicts with myths accepted and enjoyed by your own ego.

If a system has a perceived problem, one does not incorporate the problem into the reformed way of doing things. Those who created the metric system wanted measurements all evenly divisible by tens- they did not create dodecametres (12 metre units) because of the frequent use of twelve in the Imperial system of measurement. Why should 13 Moons have *anything* to do with the Gregorian?

On the evening of February 28th, 2008, the world will continue spinning and will not care whatever names humans give measurements of time. Calendars the world over will name the coming dawn February 29th or 10 Esfand or 11 Kayab or 21 Safar or something else, something other than the previous day- all except 13 Moons, which will remain at Blue Spectral Monkey. The Earth will rotate twice and the proponents of the 13 Moons calendar stuck on one day.

Why? Because the calendar is flawed.

The leap day in the Gregorian Calendar is simply another day, not any more long or weird or shiny or magical than the last or the next (and is, technically, February 24th anyway- if you want, I can get into why). Our use of the Gregorian does not change the rotation of the planet... other than perhaps by the tiniest iota from the frequency of flights or other travel as related to days of the week or times of year. But then, the butterfly flapping its wings causes storms on the other side of the Earth; what food I eat and where I buy it from and even the time I get up also changes the world around me, but I would never argue if we all jump and and down on Thursdays we'll have nice weather for the weekend because I believe it is so.

The incorporation of the Gregorian calendar's extra day into 13 Moons is like my grandmother making pants from a pattern with tiny pockets that won't hold anything, then my mother making pants from the same pattern simply because this is how it is has been done before, and then me wanting a garment with pockets that will damn well hold things and then designing shorts which still incorporate those badly designed pockets because I used the same logic contained in this argument:

"to [sic] ignore your problem is like runnig [sic] away from it. ofcourse [sic] the 13 moon calender recognizes the gregorian [sic] calendar. Recognizing and accepting your problem is the first step in transformation."

But, in the end, no matter how much I know that old design sucked, I'll still have shorts which haven't transformed into clothes which can carry my change.

You said February 29th, "...is seen as another leap day ... this happens beacause [sic] otherwise all the lawoftime [sic] meditations wich [sic] are quit something would be scrambeled [sic]".

So... because a mistake was made because someone didn't bother to think about the roughly 6 hours more than 365 days that compiles each year we can't do anything about it, and we should just meditate on how great it will be when we all think the same way when an Earth has years evenly divisible by its days?

Is it only me thinking this, or would believing that require the opposite of mind open to new ideas?

You also said, "further [sic] studies also discoverd [sic] that the earth [sic] is spinning out of bounce for only the last 700 Years !!! due to some strange interfeirence [sic]... And it is said that if we join in power we can make the earth spin in a correct spin..."

Which studies are these? Could you cite them? And yes, many things are *said*- it was said by many the world would end in the year 2000. Arguelles the "Valum Votan" can say whatever he wants, but it doesn't make it so. I can say my skin is turning blue, but there is a probability it won't (no matter how hard I believe).

If 13 Moons is "just another tool", it's a hammer made of glass- try and do anything useful with it, and it shatters.

To live in the "now" is not to delude yourself into haphazardly concocted beliefs perpetuated by someone with self-proclaimed authority making comforting claims, but it is to be aware of the moment, your surroundings, and that a long held and loved belief may be entirely false. It takes a strong will and not giving into one's ego to accept how completely wrong one can be when one learns of information contradicting beliefs. It can hurt and make one feel shame and humility to see the things you liked or wanted or said were mistakes.

Though I'm not in the now as much as I would like and I don't imagine I'm beyond self-delusion, I try and keep my beliefs in the context of both the world within me and the world without me.

Is everyone saying this idea I have is nuts? Maybe I should stick to my guns and believe in myself... or, maybe, I am completely wrong and too wrapped up in myself to see it, and need my friends to help me see what I can't.

Yes, I am probably wrong about many things- but I don't think one of them will be that the Earth will rotate regardless of whether or not we all believe in 13 Moons.

You said, "Everything is spirit even the gregorian [sic] calendar is something spirit created..." then "...It really is of not such a big inportance [sic] 'wich' [sic] spiritual calendar you follow. As long as it is a 'spiritual' calendar." If it's spirit created, does that make the Gregorian calendar spiritual and therefore doesn't matter if you follow the Gregorian calendar? If that is so, why should not believing in it change the rotation of the Earth? If it isn't spiritual, how do you define a spiritual calendar?

You say this is moving toward "A unifying religion. The true religion wich [sic] the messengers of bhudda [sic] jezus [sic] and muhammed [sic] brouht [sic] to this world..."

Without getting too far into this I'll just point out that, among other things, the Buddha taught one should discriminate between the good and the non-good for oneself- to not accept things just because others in positions of authority say it is so. To do or not do things simply because someone with supposed authority says it is ok is to not use the ability of any clearly thinking adult human to decide what is right and wrong, and is therefore a denial of responsibility.

The words of the "Valum Votan" tell me to ignore my common sense, my instinct, my own ability to reason, my concern for others, my own sense of good and non-good... and that is something I will not do.