inspire me to my greater self, baby.

topic posted Sun, February 19, 2006 - 1:32 AM by  zigo
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This is a cross post from another objectivist tribe; trying to get the juices flowing in here too...

Ive been processing my recent relationships - or lack-there-of.

Im realizing that I personally am turned on by, and pursue those women who challenge me. Not necessarily in a hostile confrontational way, but in a way that is stimulating - intellectually, emotionally, etc. .. I could say I like cat and mouse, but thats not it.. its almost a matter of having a woman, a being who I find myself accelerating towards my greatest vision of self as a mating dance. And as she flicks her tail in sarcastic dismissal, it only pinches the urge harder.

lets make it clear though - that there have been situations when this becomes very quickly a stupid cat and mouse routine.. where eventually, I loose my center and balance.. and begin accelerating to my speculations of what HER vision is for me.. not consciously, just in sexual thirst. I would like to think that as I grow more, and find myself standing in relation to women, It is only the inspired acceleration to MY vision that I am thuroughly and truly attracted to.
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  • Re: inspire me to my greater self, baby.

    Mon, May 1, 2006 - 10:47 PM
    Ziego:

    I sort of wandered into this tribe by accident, and while I read a couple of posts that made me consider joining (though I've mostly considered myself the consummate ANTI-objectivist: "for the good of ALL"), your post convinced me to join, so I could respond to your post.

    Under many of the same auspices you mentioned, I entered into a relationship with a woman who was 8 years older than me, had traveled the world several times, ran a successful jewelry business, and was the very upper middle class daughter of two university professors. I, on the other hand, am a socially conscious black Hip Hop artist from a much more modest background. And though I've seen more of the world than a good number of my peers (i.e.- 4 tours of Europe), I had nowhere near the types of life experiences she had.

    I gotta tell you... it's a very double edged sword.

    Things can become a very stupid cat and mouse game very easily when one person holds more power or resource in a particular area. Since she had much more money than I did, she was able to provide for me many things I would not have been able to provide myself, which I absolutely loved and adored her for. Eventually, it came out that there was a hidden price for this- one that, because of her way of framing the world, could never be paid in full. Not by me, or, I believe, any man. The cost was the utter suppression of my own emotional / psychological reality to hers. I was to behave as the perfect mate- to give love and caring and nurturing flawlessly, upon demand, regardless of how she was behaving towards me. Any time I fell even the minutest amount short of this, it was made plain to me that if I was "really" loving, I would do THIS. If I "really" cared, I'd be THIS way.

    Many times, I found myself in a situation where I could do nothing right, insofar as she was concerned. I was never loving enough, never compassionate enough, never sweet enough.

    There were a whole lot of absolutely amazing and transformative things to come out of this relationship for both of us. We stayed together for 4 years. Before, it was hard to imagine being with someone for that long. Eventually the imbalances proved to be the undoing of things. We've made a mutual decision to be friends and remain to have strong good feelings for each other. I feel certain we've been together in previous lifetimes, and may meet yet again in another. I told her that she'll always hold a special place in my heart for the remainder of this lifetime and I fully stand by it.

    But I'd say be careful what you wish for. A partner who challenges you might very well be doing so precisely because they've got a grand vision for what they want YOU to be. And if and when you exert the primacy of your OWN design on your life, it can become problematic.
    • Re: inspire me to my greater self, baby.

      Tue, May 2, 2006 - 3:36 PM
      Bezi. I appreciate your post. And I can identify with your account of the relationship you described.

      in my original post::

      <<<lets make it clear though - that there have been situations when this becomes very quickly a stupid cat and mouse routine.. where eventually, I loose my center and balance.. and begin accelerating to my speculations of what HER vision is for me.. not consciously, just in sexual thirst. I would like to think that as I grow more, and find myself standing in relation to women, It is only the inspired acceleration to MY vision that I am thuroughly and truly attracted to.>>>

      I was working to make the distinction that the 'center and balance' is VITAL. Powerful women, to an extent I believe, almost vibe joy in testing their mates to the fullest of their capacity, can they drive us from our center, can they pull us off balance into them.

      I feel that the truist relation for me is a mutual-affirming embrace. In which the full power of each of our beings is invoked and inspired by the other, challenged by the other.

      In the kind of relation that you spoke of Bezi(and that I feel Ive experienced too), its as if we loose touch with our inner voice, our inner strength, we loose track of effective ways to communicate that voice to the other person, and they have lost or never had the ears to hear who we truly were.

      Any time women get 'ideas' 'notions' or 'concepts' about who I am, who I am becoming, etc.. if I feel in anyway defined, limited or constrained.. Im out.

      Sometimes it takes a little longer than others for me to get out, cause I get distracted by my insecurities.. but in my strength, when Im in that space.. I know that woman doesnt give a shit about the true vigor of my being.. her imagination has taken over, and she's pretty much alone in being in love with fictions she writes to herself. Its probably best that I leave and have the moment with herself. ha!
      • Re: inspire me to my greater self, baby.

        Wed, May 3, 2006 - 10:49 AM
        "Any time women get 'ideas' 'notions' or 'concepts' about who I am, who I am becoming, etc.. if I feel in anyway defined, limited or constrained.. Im out.

        Sometimes it takes a little longer than others for me to get out, cause I get distracted by my insecurities.. but in my strength, when Im in that space.. I know that woman doesnt give a shit about the true vigor of my being.. her imagination has taken over, and she's pretty much alone in being in love with fictions she writes to herself. Its probably best that I leave and have the moment with herself. ha!"

        Amen to that brother! I feel the same way when a man does that to me.
      • Re: inspire me to my greater self, baby.

        Thu, May 4, 2006 - 1:10 AM
        Yea- the center and balance IS vital. But it seems that's hard to maintain in any relationship, leave alone one with powerful personages. And in our case, my side of the equation was most def nothing to sneeze at! I came into the relationship with my own resources and outstanding attributes.

        when you said:

        >>her imagination has taken over, and she's pretty much alone in being in love with fictions she writes to herself <<

        that really resonated. I think this is absolutely something that was happening with us. It's like: because of my unconditional loving acceptance and high regard (which was delivered imperfectly at times, I admit) she felt justified in building a composite image of me which she would almost project into the space I was occupying, instead of being willing to deal with the person who was really behind that projection.

        I stayed in the relationship for 4 years because there were many wonderful things to come out of it-- for both of us. We grew enormously as individuals from our dealings with each other. She's still my absolute favorite. My good feelings for her are permanent, deep and abiding. But you just can't have two supernovas that close to each other for very long!
        • Re: inspire me to my greater self, baby.

          Thu, May 4, 2006 - 9:24 AM
          ah ha! and that is where I disagree.. do you really think you were two super-novas? both of you? It sounds like one was in super-novaness and the other was harvesting for pressious gasses formed by the expansion.

          Two novas can only learn, inspire, and invigorate each other to a complete self diving.. thats my point.. its when you've got one nova and one 'feeder' // sometimes two 'feeders' that you have an unhealthy relationship ignoring the reality of individualness..

          And that super-nova-ing of individuality I believe is what, ironically, relationship is really about.. it is that true and complete encounter with another individual that brings my full-self forward.. so that I and the other witness and are aware of that actual 'me'

          And perhaps, Bezi, thats what your relationship was in the end.. at least for you - thats what it sounds like, that you were taught more fully who you actually are.. the truth of you, your priorities, your magnatizations, desires..
          • Re: inspire me to my greater self, baby.

            Fri, May 5, 2006 - 9:21 PM
            No- I mean two supernovas.

            Trust me. I haven't gotten into what I brought to the relationship because I don't have any need or desire to toot my own horn. See- therein lies the whole thing. She never had a man-- never MET a man-- who had the ability to remain compassionate and loving in the face of her many mood permutations and the other stuff she could get on. I won't divulge all the aspects of the relationship because I'm also not trying to put anybody's business out in the digital streets without their consent. But she had very serious, deeply rooted problems in her psychological/emotional background as a result of a perfectly crazed mother, a dysfunctional marriage, and worse... and I mean MUCH WORSE. I'm not getting into all that.

            But she learned from me to love herself as I loved her, which is unconditionally. She learned to temper aspects of herself that could be abrasive and obnoxious. She developed a healthier self image. She got intensive, valuable editorial feedback on the book she's writing. She had many opinions and beliefs challenged and changed. She has more self confidence, self acceptance and belief that she deserves the success I believe she'll have as a result of being with me.

            And.. how to say this mildly... she got positively mind blowing intimacy out of it. To the point where she insisted that I'd "ruined her for any other man" (her exact words)

            again: I can assure you... two supernovas.
  • Re: inspire me to my greater self, baby.

    Tue, May 2, 2006 - 11:09 AM
    Ziego:

    I want to respond from the other side of that coin, as if I was the woman who wanted to inspire you.

    Yes I know I'm dynamic, challenging, interesting, and totally different from anyone you have met before. Yes I understand that I may inspire you to discover things about yourself that you didn't know existed, but please have some compassion that this is MY LIFE not your free ticket to a brand new world.

    Of course I want to share my exciting world with you, otherwise I wouldn't be intimate with you, but I need to get a couple of things straight. I will want you to take personal responsibility for the actions you choose to take. I will want you to look carefully before trying something new so that you don’t' screw up your own future and then hold me responsible for it. I am not your tour guide, you are going to have to find your own place in my world if this is where you want to remain. I don’t want you to be like me, I want you to be your own self independent of my desires or expectations. I will respect you a lot more if you can tell me “No” or “I’m not sure” when you encounter something that goes against your sense of Self.

    I am not something you can parade about in front of your friends, I do not want to hear that you are bragging about all of the crazy shit we do together in bed or in our intimate moments. Those things are private between us and I don’t want others to get the wrong impression that my sexuality is public domain. Do not undress me in front of strangers to show off my tattoos, do not use me to freak your parents out, do not take me to places where it is clear that I do not belong. Have respect for my lifestyle choices because these are reflections of who I am, I’m not living like this and being my self so that I can be a freak in your zoo.

    While I may have had different experiences than you or I may have traveled in different circles, maybe I have a different education than you do, I am still a human being and totally and completely fallible. I make mistakes, am mistaken, sometimes I’m downright WRONG, so my opinions are just that, opinions. No I don’t want you to discount my point of view I just don’t want you to take it as gospel handed down from on high. Let’s use our point of views to challenge one another while maintaining our respect for one another by realizing that we don’t have to do, be, or become the same person. I want you to be different from me, it’s more interesting that way. Challenge yourself, explore your own sense of Being, and ultimately decide what is best for the future you envision for yourself. Experience is good, go out and get as much of it for yourself as you can; living vicariously through me is passive and false.

    Ultimately, I want you to become the most amazing person in your own world, achieving your own goals, and challenging yourself to new levels of excellence. I’m here to help in anyway that I can but the final responsibility lies with you.
    • Re: inspire me to my greater self, baby.

      Tue, May 2, 2006 - 3:48 PM
      I agree with it all.

      you allude to situations that stem from an uncentered man though.. the stuff about the 'free ticket' and 'showing you off' .. that spells to me a mate who lacked self worth, was unknowing of the depth of his own limitlessness. You reminded him that it was there, that there was more to life than he currently swam in.. he had no momentum himself though, he doubted the internal genius that would spark his own ignition towards the higher expressions of his being.. so he saught the spark from you.. and not being a real flame, because it was not his own, he worked to model his fire as yours, he showed you off and lived vicariously through the freedom and dance you rocked in.

      He is the kind of man that would force his son to play out the dreams he never had the guts to jump to, he is the kind of man that lacks the fire to chart his own course.

      I am not that.

      I dont need a tour guide, and I hate being one. Lets double our consciousness.. lets be two rising birds of fire that accelerate in exponential growth of our stances because we can communicate and articulate each of our journies to eachother in the most intimate and non-verbal manner.

      Let us provoke each other to dive deeper into our selves, not into eachother.

      So that when its time to walk away.. its time to walk away. The transaction is complete. There are no emotional debts to payback to eachother in guilt over the years, there was simply the culminating transformation of two human beings seeking out the fullest punch of life together.

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