Explanation of my name change

topic posted Thu, May 1, 2008 - 6:10 AM by  Unsubscribed
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The link posted here brings you to a silly thread in another tribe which basically will show you why tribe deleted my Oz profile. That being said, although I did have fun getting all of the top moderators into the same Avatar, I was not the ALT profile as suggested in this thread. It is someone I know and who is in this tribe, and It was all in fun.

My real name is Bruce. Most of you know this. I was a top moderator on this site for a very long time and I created the Mystubenmyspec tribe which is now moderated by Lady Jess who is doing an amazing job. I created the venting tribe which is now moderated by Denice who is also doing a wonderful job keeping that tribe alive. They were appointed moderators of those tribes after my origional profile was deleted by tribe.

I would never claim to be a perfect person. I will not sit here and BS anyone and say I have never stuck back at some of these freaks on the site when I felt I was pushed too far. BUT many of you here have known me for a long time and know how I treat the people I care about. I consider everyone in this tribe a friend and I feel I have treated each person here with the respect they deserve.

That being said I am sure in the near future I will re-invite everyone here to a new tribe as I can no longer be the moderator of this one as I was unsubbed from this site without any explanation although the link I posted explains why. BUT, like I stated, I was not the person who is being referred to in this thread even though that profile was deleted as well.

In addition, when my first profile on this site was deleted, tribe posted on the gold tribe that I would be refunded for my premium membership, and they also stated I would NOT be allowed to purchase another premium membership. Well, I would never throw away another $50.00 - but nothing was stated that I cannot be on this site.

Love you all,

Bruce
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  • Re: Explanation of my name change

    Thu, May 1, 2008 - 7:44 AM
    Isn't it exciting how tribe continuously picks on the little people? What exactly did Oz do except encourage a few people to change their avatar pic's to be the same?!??!! Where's the harm in that? He did not hurt ANYONE or do anything criminal. Such bovine fecal matter!!!
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      Re: Explanation of my name change

      Thu, May 1, 2008 - 7:46 AM
      Love you Denice.
      AND
      It has been done before, just not with the people who appear on the Top Moderator list.
      The avatar was that of Underdog. Fully clothed. All in fun.
      • Re: Explanation of my name change

        Thu, May 1, 2008 - 7:47 AM
        ((((HUGS))))
        • Re: Explanation of my name change

          Thu, May 1, 2008 - 9:09 PM
          > Isn't it exciting how tribe continuously picks on the little people?

          Denice, Bruce is not cute, nor is he innocent. He's a threat and it's unfortunate that you don't see it that way.
          I have personally experienced his malicious behaviour and would gladly discuss it further privately or otherwise...
          • Re: Explanation of my name change

            Fri, May 2, 2008 - 7:33 AM
            PM me with an explanation then.
            • Re: Explanation of my name change

              Fri, May 2, 2008 - 9:44 AM
              And again - Jin, if somebody had done something that awful to me, I'd stay away from them, not join their tribes. Of course, people who sneak in to any situation in disguise often do so with harmful intent.

              It's a very common tactic for bad actors to accuse others of the very acts they themselves commit. Sometimes the actor's so unconscious of their own motivations and behavior that they project 100% of it onto others and their right hand truly does not know what their left hand is doing. Other times, the actor knows full well what they're up to and accuse others of their own behavior simply because they can, and because they know the difficulties it puts the second person in. And they love chaos, and they love to give others the opportunity to behave shamefully. It gives them quite a thrill to see so many go for the bait.

              If you harass, threaten and stalk someone, and they privately try to protect themselves from you and warn you to stop, and threaten to sue you if you don't, and you then publicly accuse *them* of harassment, threats and stalking and pretend that you are the victim, you will obviously fool a lot of people and think you're pretty powerful now. But if you were actually to try to sue them (as has been threatened so many times, and as Tribe has said was the reason action was taken -- that the complainants threatened to sue Bruce and Tribe) -- your lawsuit wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell. Because there is the "clean hands doctrine" designed to prevent exactly this sort of situation -- which is very very common. If the person filing the complaint started the situation with their own bad acts, committed the very things they charge the defendant with, the clean hands doctrine, once invoked, prevents them from receiving any "relief" of any kind at law and the case is thrown out--and the complainant has to pay the costs. A little idea called equity. There's actually only one person who could successfully sue anybody in this situation -- Bruce. Do you think he himself doesn't have plenty of documented evidence? Do you think he and others somehow didn't keep track of what was going on? Do you think his *real* friends forgot the posts they read and the e-mails they were sent and the stunts they saw pulled? Forgot the way the hate squad acted, again and again and again, and the really low and vile things they did and said?

              One thing that can be counted on here -- the hate squad seriously underestimates some of the people they go after. They've gotten very careless indeed with the gloating and the slurs and the tracking of people who've never had any direct contact with them.
              • Re: Explanation of my name change

                Sun, May 4, 2008 - 4:36 PM
                >I'd stay away from them, not join their tribes....
                I have always avoided B and his mates. I only signed up to this tribe last week to set the facts straight.

                >..the very acts they themselves commit.
                Well, I haven't blackmailed anyone. And following on from your ramble, I joined Tribe to meet friends and have fun. To be left alone and NOT participate "energy-emotion draining" drama.

                >to try to sue..
                When have I ever mentioned civil action against B or Tribe. Against B, criminal charges would be more appropriate. Tribe? I've put my money where my mouth is as a paid up subscriber. I have faith in Tribe.

                >Do you think he himself doesn't have plenty of documented evidence?
                Against me? Excellent, I'd like to see them. Have him pass you that information and you can post it.



    • Re: Explanation of my name change

      Thu, May 1, 2008 - 8:32 AM
      What Bruce did was violate our TOU, and he continues to do so by making new accounts.

      If you knew what I knew, you would not be defending this person. I have seen all the emails and PMs. I believe them to be a threat to people on this system. This person is a stalker, pure and simple. We won't have them on the site.
      • Re: Explanation of my name change

        Thu, May 1, 2008 - 9:09 AM
        i think you are playing social games, darren. oz should be allowed on tribe. <if you knew what i knew> casts aspersions on oz. , if you have reasons why he should not be on tribe, state them. and that doesn't include a personal beef .... i don't know what you mean by all the emails and pms, but it sounds like you've been reading everyone's private mail? is this true?
        • Re: Explanation of my name change

          Thu, May 1, 2008 - 9:52 AM
          oh, not this ridiculous pointless hateful crap again.

          I know Oz has never been Grundig/Satan. That guy caused much upset in many ways to many people, not just Bruce. I can't recall at the moment who Mr. M was before, but they were same crew, same M.O. Some people really have nothing to distract them from their overwhelming jealousy and hostility. Creating continual scenarios of lies and confusion is therefore what they do. It's their little gift to society. Not worth spitting at.

          I could wish that Bruce didn't so much enjoy being top mod and didn't so much enjoy pulling the creepy guys' pointy tails -- so we could enjoy hanging with Bruce and each other without these rude interruptions, on Tribe where he and we do belong. But there it is.

          I'm sure Tribe has no clue how much their furtherance of the hate squad's agenda has cost them financially -- and now, it'll cost more.
          • Re: Explanation of my name change

            Thu, May 1, 2008 - 11:10 AM
            and still nothing can be said?

            well if he is no longer a member, and you honestly believe this man is a danger to other members on this site? Why is this so hush hush?
            • Re: Explanation of my name change

              Thu, May 1, 2008 - 12:11 PM
              I imagine that the reason nothing can be said is because of defamation laws. If you did something wrong you wouldn't want it broadcast and I believe that Tribe is taking the moral high ground on this one.
              • Re: Explanation of my name change

                Thu, May 1, 2008 - 12:16 PM
                SN, Darren just said he saw the emails and PM's what more do you want explained?

                This is not a game, it didn't happen to just one person with crappy credibility. This is serious, I support Tribe for keeping it down low for those that did come forward and show private correspondences. Nothing good would come from sharing those letters with people that want it explained like its a harmless soap opera.
                • Re: Explanation of my name change

                  Thu, May 1, 2008 - 12:31 PM
                  Hi Lisa,

                  Please forgive me if you are taking my posts as an attack on tribe personally. I've been on this site for many years, clearly I enjoy it. And I do not find this a game, thank you very much.

                  My point is... these so called emails stemmed from ONE GROUP of people. I have not seen any outside accusations aside from close friends of this group. I'm merely trying to find out what exactly was done by tribe. As we all know multiple complaints constitue unsubbing. Was it a matter of this one group making multiple complaints?

                  I do not wish to rehash this whole issue, as clearly, nothing will truely ever be solved. I'm simply stating that from day one.. it has been nothing but hear say, and PM's yet certain people are so angry that they are even questioned.

                  Lisa, if somebody came to me and started saying awful things about you. I would stand firm in saying that I've seen you on tribe for a very long time, and don't belive them to be true. I'm not sure why people are upset when the same is happening with Bruce. The are resonable questions.
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                    Re: Explanation of my name change

                    Thu, May 1, 2008 - 12:42 PM
                    SN I have to take issue with this, you say that these emails stemmed from one group. This is both true and false, it may appear now that it is one group but this group has only formed as a direct result of the harassment and abuse that took place. I do not have all the details myself but I do hear the same old story time and time again from people outside of the "group" and from new members of Tribe, they complain of exactly the same thing even when they have no knowledge of what has happened previously. The fact that so many individual people complain about the same person doing the same thing has to count for something. The group has formed simply as result of the member in question.

                    I agree that reasonable questions need to be asked but you can't expect Tribe.net to make the evidence they have public, it's not within their remit to do so and you can imagine the problems it would cause I'm sure. However it is up to you if you wish to believe what has been said or not, I completely understand that you don't want to make a decision on a friendship based on hearsay, to ask you to do so would be insulting your intelligence. But you have to understand that there are a large number of people who have been deeply affected, and not just through the odd harassing PM, by this person and as a result Tribe.net has seen fit to take action.

                    What I would say is this; Tribe.net are well known for deleting the profiles of troublemakers. If you see someone swearing and generally being a pain in a Tribe and a few people report it the profile is generally deleted. In this case the person made no outward appearance of being a pain. For Tribe.net to have decided to take the action to delete the account they must have taken a closer look at what we couldn't see from outward appearances. Tribe.net have now taken the decision to never let this person have an account here again, surely that kind of action would only be taken in the most extreme of circumstances.

                    At the end of the day you are entitled to your own opinion, everyone is, but just consider the other side to this debate as well as the one you are no doubt hearing from "Oz".
                    • Re: Explanation of my name change

                      Thu, May 1, 2008 - 12:56 PM
                      Sarah, I must applaud you for being the ONLY one to discuss this in a rationale and adult manner.

                      Your points are very valid. and I appreciate you refraining for cyber attacking me immediatly.
                      • Re: Explanation of my name change

                        Thu, May 1, 2008 - 1:05 PM
                        I don't get "fed" stories....I know what has been going on. Tribe just doesn't like Bruce for some ungodly reason, and for some unknown reason won't show any proof of any wrong doing he has done....WHY? Because he didn't do anything at all!! Everything has been heresay by one person or another......where is the evidence? I've never seen it! Has anyone else? I've heard a little from both.....YES....both sides, and it sounds like high school crap! I've seen other people on Tribe have alts do the same stuff Bruce has.....have their accounts been deleted? NOOOOOO. I've seen some nasty pornographic stuff on here that is highly offensive, have those accounts been deleted? NOOOOO. Do people actually get refunded their money after becoming a "gold star member" then getting booted? NOOOOO. Why? Because Tribe is having money managment issues.....and server issues. Oh, I know.....it's always in the works. But nothing gets fixed. Blah blah blah.
                        • Re: Explanation of my name change

                          Thu, May 1, 2008 - 2:23 PM
                          Considering the shoestring budget I've been hearing that tribe runs under (necessitating the Gold Membership plan), I imagine Darren runs the whole show on his own. He must be overwhelmed and has not time for actually checking out the allegations that Mr. M apparently keeps making. As for the validity of these allegations, I know just from seeing him in action today that he makes wild allegations. He accused Mikey and Lady Jess of being Bruce alts. But what proof did he have of that? Of course those who like Mr. M simply accept his allegations as fact. Meanwhile, who like and know Lady Jess and Mikey wonder when they're going to be axed.

                          It's obvious to me that whatever Bruce has done to upset Mr. M and get himself deleted, it's not enough to put him in jail. Otherwise, Darren (aka Tribe) would have done so. On the other hand, if the supposed crimes of Bruce are as bad as Darren implies and he continues not to prosecute Bruce, and someone gets hurt by the "stalker" Bruce, then Tribe is in negligence for failing to protect its membership. I don't think Tribe is stupid enough to place itself in that position. Hence, it's logical that Bruce is not as dangerous as Mr. M keeps alleging...

                          Which brings us all back to why is Mr. M making these false allegations in the first place? Isn't it possible Mr. M is playing mindgames and using turnspeak tactics and has duped Darren? Who threw the first stone? Mr. M or Bruce? Did Mr. M throw the first stone (figuratively speaking) and now accuses Bruce of being the troublemaker because he retaliated?

                          Until Darren reveals the "evidence," we can only speculate. And because of that, nothing gets resolved. So who's really responsible for this mess?

                          Bummers!
                          • Re: Explanation of my name change

                            Thu, May 1, 2008 - 3:03 PM
                            Prof, Mr M's allegations are not the only reason for Bruce's Tribe ban. Whether or not you believe all the allegations they have historically come from many different people over a long period of time.
                          • Re: Explanation of my name change

                            Thu, May 1, 2008 - 5:02 PM
                            As I explored various tribes here, it became clear to me from the absolute awful and creepy hijackings that I saw constantly on numerous tribes that Mr. M, Grundig/Satan, that whole crew, have engaged in one trolling campaign after another, and to rather savagely attack individuals quite publicly--to the point where they actually have formed tribes for no other purpose than to track and mock specific people and their friends. Often it just seems like a huge Tasmanian Devil fest wherever they may be, and it seems to me that they can barely keep themselves from ripping their own allies' heads off. Once the first Bruce thing happened and I realized these people were involved, it took me no time at all to figure out the motivations. Unlike apparently many, many people who decamp on their friends at any accusation of any kind by any person against them, whether substantiated in any way or not, I look at the nature of the accuser, who they are. And at the nature of the accused.

                            Bruce is extremely well liked by hundreds of people who in fact are NOT naive, credulous simpletons, and who in fact ARE extremely nice people. I am a nice person, but one thing I really hate is malice. And malice is behind this, and has been from the beginning. Malice that counts on the stupidity of people who have no loyalty and no discernment and just love to gossip.

                            BTW -The first -- and best -- and the absolute defense to a charge of defamation is truth.




                        • Re: Explanation of my name change

                          Thu, May 1, 2008 - 3:26 PM
                          i have absolutely no knowledge of the inner social workings of tribe. i do know that in this discussion, the implication is made that oz has done numerous horrendous acts. The acts can't be spoken of for legal reasons, as the keepers of tribe would be held legally at fault for making them public. if you have proof of something oz has done, you have no fear, the laws of the land would find you innocent of libel... as far as internal harrassment, again, i have no idea what has gone on behind closed doors, but it is my understanding that i can tick a box that will keep anyone from sending me a private message... is this not true? ...if not, it certainly would eliminate any problems of harrassment. anyone, be it oz or other, the inner sanctum of tribe has an issue with, would be required to put all this words and thoughts out to the public, and if they were offensive, everyone would know and understand why the person was dumped.... i get the impression bruce is irritating to you. ..well, he's not irritating to me, so how about you let him get his site up, block him from all your [in its plural form, as it appears he's ruffled a flock of feathers] personal correspondence, and let the rest of us enjoy his company. ...by the way, you refer to breaking the rules, the TOU. what is tou? ...please be specific, in quotation marks if possible, what rules he has broken..why am i pressing this issue?.. because the inner tribe's actions send the message that they can and will arbitrarily kill off whomever they want, whenever they want, without and explanation to those who care for the deceased, thus implying to those concerned, that if they don't watch it, they can get their chords cut, too. . and,,paranoia strikes deep....anyway, enough said, peace and love from bevy, the little-old 2-cat hippie lady.. well, not that little, actually
                          • Re: Explanation of my name change

                            Thu, May 1, 2008 - 3:33 PM
                            Lord this really has opened the old can of worms.

                            OK, yes there is an ignore function. However it only works if the person you are ignoring stays on the one profile and does not create many different alternative personas with which to harass you. Also you may be able to ignore correspondence on Tribe but if you were unfortunate enough to provide said person with your private email or telephone number, no matter how foolish that may be considered and I for one never did, then the "ignore" function would be useless.

                            TOU is the Terms of Use, at the bottom of every page you will find the tag line as follows:

                            home | about | why join? | advertise | terms of use | privacy | contact | FAQ

                            And here you can find the Terms of Use. I could post the various infractions but I'm really not interested in doing so as it's unfair to do this to someone who isn't here to defend himself etc.
                            • Re: Explanation of my name change

                              Thu, May 1, 2008 - 4:53 PM
                              Sarah, I must admit that I am mystified that even though you have apparently great personal knowledge of a long history of bad acts by Bruce, and seem well acquainted with the people making the accusations against him, that you chose to join the tribe formed and moderated by him. I don't recall seeing you around here before this thread -- when did you join, exactly?
                            • Re: Explanation of my name change

                              Thu, May 1, 2008 - 5:10 PM
                              sarah, i think if you look at your personal e-mail account it also has and ignore option, if not the standard mail sites have them now, and you might think of changing over. also, if mail comes from someone you dont like, just tap delete. oh, by the by, i checked out the code of conduct, and did a quick digest, leaving content, editing legalize - here it is: now, where are you/they/ nailing bruce? for simplicity sake, you can just list the letter (s). i do suggest tribe does get specific with charges, and allow bruce back in to confront them. obviously his [or any of our] chain can be yanked at any time, so let him back in to have his say then you can pull the chain again if you deem necessary ...

                              1. Conduct and Content
                              While using the Service you agree to take a constructive tone and practice good etiquette and courtesy and you agree NOT to:
                              a. threaten, disrupt, inflame, intimidate, libel, stalk, defame, defraud;
                              b. post material that is illegal or promotes hatred, bigotry, racism, profanity, vulgarity or gratuitous violence;
                              c. harm or exploit minors;
                              d. invade privacy by attempting to collect private information;
                              e. modify or falsify the source of information, impersonate another individual, or misrepresent affiliation with a person or entity;
                              f. disrupt, harm or inappropriately access any telecommunication system or violate operational policies or regulations;
                              g. flood, overload, mail service or transmit harmful viruses, worms, computer code, files, or programs;
                              h. infringe proprietary rights or violate contractual relationships;
                              i. encourage circumvention of intellectual property or content;
                              j. access restricted pages or images;
                              k. distribute inappropriate, unauthorized advertising or promotional offers;
                              l. use tribe messages or member profile content to obtain personal information to solicit any member inappropriately;
                              m. support any organization designated by the United States government as a foreign terrorist organization ;
                              n. create links to external sites that violate these restrictions;
                              o. post false or provocative information to elicit responses;
                              p. search the Service with any mechanism other than that provided by Tribe, or general web browsers (i.e. Explorer or Firefox);
                              q. or (ii) copy any portion of the Site without Tribe's authorization.
                              • Re: Explanation of my name change

                                Thu, May 1, 2008 - 6:05 PM
                                OOooooooo!!! For such a looooooong time the "Bruce bashers" of tribe had a tribe called The Bruce Haters tribe! Talk about going against your own rules.....
                                ie; b. post material that is illegal or promotes hatred, bigotry, racism, profanity, vulgarity or gratuitous violence;
  • Re: Explanation of my name change

    Thu, May 1, 2008 - 9:02 PM
    > I would never claim to be a perfect person....

    I'm glad you admitted that. No Bruce, you're far from perfect. What more, you're a creep. I'm not one to mince words. You, Bruce attempted to blackmail (REPEAT BLACKMAIL) a person I was in a relationship with, loved and cared. You, wanted to endanger that person's life. How low can a person stoop?

    Proof you may ask, you were stupid enough to enter into a barrage of emails with me, from your office attempting to justify yourself, yes, I do have the IP's of your work mail servers, where those emails were sent from.
    • Re: Explanation of my name change

      Fri, May 2, 2008 - 5:23 AM
      Words from Bruce:
      I told "you know who" that if she does not help shut down the "I hate Bruce" tribe I would tell her husband about her affair with Jin. Also within 5 minutes I emailed her and called her to say I was sorry for what I said but said it out of anger and frustration.

      Please don't attack me for posting this, but since Jin is directing his comment toward Bruce himself, I thought it was only fair to allow his side of the story in. I choose not to add the person in questions name, as I have already discussed this with her and don't feel it's nessasary for anybody else to know with whom they are talking about.
      I myself did see the email of threat, also the email of apology following.
      • Love

        Fri, May 2, 2008 - 5:37 AM
        Sending out love to all.
        --Geez... I never thought tribe was such a middle school. This is so unfortunate that a bunch of unhappy people are trying to drive happy people away from a "lighthearted" tribe..
        I follow my heart. It has never led me wrong.
        The world is in turmoil. ..changes are rumbling.. and some seem to be unable to contain their hate.
        Today I will judge nothing that occurs. The flaws I see in others are usually the flaw within me.
        Let your love and light shine.
        Hate never solves anything.. Love is the answer.
      • Re: Explanation of my name change

        Fri, May 2, 2008 - 11:25 AM
        jesus, SN

        you have now crossed any and all boundaries of decency by posting this.
        the fact that you feel at all justified in airing people's personal and private
        info in a public forum speaks volumes to me about who you are and how
        little you can be trusted.

        defending Bruce is one thing, *this* is quite another..
        • Re: Explanation of my name change

          Fri, May 2, 2008 - 12:09 PM
          wildapache,
          Do you always feel the need to speak for others? I believe I already discussed this with the person in question. Just because you choose to use alts to speak your mind does not mean I do. I'm honest in what I believe. You think you are completely justifyed for speaking for others, yet when it's done for somebody else, they are automatically untrustworthy.. one sided much?

          Please read the thread again, as obviously you have skipped over the part of Jin bringing this up, not me.

          I love how you are CONSTANLY trying to devate from the topic at hand and trying to character assasinate me. I avoid you at all costs, and am not sure why you always feel the need to address me personally. Will you kindly leave me alone.
          • Re: Explanation of my name change

            Fri, May 2, 2008 - 1:24 PM
            Do you always feel the need to speak for others?
            - do you always feel the need to speak for Bruce?

            I'm honest in what I believe
            - "believe" being the key word here

            You think you are completely justifyed for speaking for others, yet when it's done for somebody else, they are automatically untrustworthy.. one sided much?
            - i don't even know whart this is supposed to mean

            I love how you are CONSTANLY trying to devate from the topic at hand and trying to character assasinate me
            - ???

            - you avoid me at all costs?
            that's funny, since we're still in a small private tribe together.

            - intersting you should admonish me about the usage of alts, since you are well aware
            that your friend Bruce used one to cause trouble for you and me and others in your private tribe.
            all evidence of which still exists, btw.