Intermediate Vector Bosons

topic posted Wed, August 10, 2005 - 3:59 PM by  Kevin
I know this may be a bit of a serious and potentially hard to answer question for the first post on this tribe, but the question was posed to me a couple years ago and I still haven't received a satisfactory answer, and I've had a lot of them, often conflicting. So, I'll just throw it out into the, extremely small thus far, collective and see what returns.

I had a cosmology class where the professor tried to get us to do research to find out whether or not in neutron beta decay, after the neutron has "turned into" a proton, the virtual W- particle actually "participates" mass to the resulting electron and neutrino. In other words does the W (weak force carrier) actually give some its virtual mass into the creation of these end products?

I know, it's not quite your normal question, but I would really like to find out what the answer is, mainly because I never got any closure on the situation in my class.
posted by:
Kevin
California
  • Re: Intermediate Vector Bosons

    Mon, August 15, 2005 - 12:56 PM
    Kevin,

    The almost negligible mass of the electron and neutrino released would suggest that perhaps instead or participating mass to these particles, the decay of the neutron simply influences their spin. It also seems apparent that the resulting proton's mass would be nearly equivalent to that of the original neutron, and the energetic W release simply allows the spin balance and relative atomic stability to be sustained after the decay process is complete.

    This is only speculation based upon my own research.

    Highest Regards,

    Adam Apollo
    • Re: Intermediate Vector Bosons

      Mon, August 15, 2005 - 1:15 PM
      Adam,

      Thanks for the response.

      But doesn't the electron and neutrino (e & v) mass have to come from somewhere. They can't just materialize out of nothing and remain.
      You are right, the proton is "almost" the same mass as the neutron, but slightly less. The proton is enough smaller than the neutron that the difference in mass more than accounts for the mass of the electron and neutrino. However, since the neutron doesn't directly decay into a proton, electron, and neutrino, as Fermi originally hypothesized, and does require the W as an intermediary, it seems the mass of these, admittedly small, but still massive (in that they have some mass) particles (the electron & neutrino) must come from somewhere. Overall in the decay, energy, charge and spin are conserved; I am clear on that and on more or less why this is so. That is, I can see the balance between the beginning and the end, but I just cannot figure out where the mass of the final products arises from in relation to the W-, if at all. I know this all occurs in a fraction of a second, but it just seems to me that since the e & v are separated from the neutron or proton in space, the mass must come from somewhere else, namely the W particle that acts as the intermediary. I suppose what I'm thinking at the moment, and please somebody correct me if I have things confused, as I'm sure I do, is that the W, as an "intermediary", transfers mass from the neutron to the e & v, and since the W was, potentially, able to borrow some of it's mass from the neutron, that part of the W's mass would not have to re-dissipate into the universe (a la Heisenberg Uncertainty). Perhaps I am just thinking too much about a question that will have little influence on the way I relate to quantum physics.

      Thanks,

      Kevin

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