I notice that there has not been much activity here. I thought I would try to put the energy out there again.
When I first saw, The Elegant Universe, I never even thought about physics, let alone string theory. Then I had an intense experience with the divination herb, salvia divinorum. I felt as though I witnessed the quantum realm of existence. My body and identity melted into everything, and I became the "oneness" that is the universe. The more I read about the ideas and theories posed by the new physics, the more I wonder about my own spirit. When I meditate it helps to think of the crazy world of sub-atomic particles to bring me to that peaceful state. People practice so many forms of ritual, yoga, meditation...ect... to gain enlightenment. Is it possible that another outlet to the spirit world is through the quantum realm?
When I first saw, The Elegant Universe, I never even thought about physics, let alone string theory. Then I had an intense experience with the divination herb, salvia divinorum. I felt as though I witnessed the quantum realm of existence. My body and identity melted into everything, and I became the "oneness" that is the universe. The more I read about the ideas and theories posed by the new physics, the more I wonder about my own spirit. When I meditate it helps to think of the crazy world of sub-atomic particles to bring me to that peaceful state. People practice so many forms of ritual, yoga, meditation...ect... to gain enlightenment. Is it possible that another outlet to the spirit world is through the quantum realm?
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Re: Quantum spirituality?
Mon, December 19, 2005 - 5:26 PMIt is a possibility. I think an interesting way to go about evaluating this would be to take notes of your experiences and note the similarities between the experiences and your understandings of quantum physics.
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Tue, December 20, 2005 - 1:17 AMI have taken many mental notes, and spend most of my free time researching many subjects. I have only been on a spiritual path for about a year, and of course I'm still scraping the surface of information and experience. Right now my mind is on quantum physics. I have also recently begun to practice lucid dreaming. I'm reading a book, Dreaming While Awake-Techniques for 24-hour lucid dreaming. by Arnold Mindell Ph.D. Some of the healing techniques I've tried, already had quite an effect on me. So it makes me think of different theories posed by the more spiritual physicist out there. -
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Tue, December 20, 2005 - 2:09 PMwell the sub-atomic world is so crazy, and no one really has it figured out at this point. The possibilities of time travel and parrallel universes are interesting. Have you heard of the double slit experiment? Some of it is a little much for me to fully grasp, but in time I will begin to understand it more. However, I do find the wave-particle duality amazing. Can we manifest and control our every choice in life? Are we able to feel out the subtle energies around us to predict events before they happen. I find myself seeing it more and more in my life. I think of someone, and they call me. I will start to worry about something, and I will hear a song or something will happen to remind me not to worry. Since I have begun to practice what Aboriginal culture calls, the dreamtime. The book I'm reading on 24-hour lucid dreaming has enlightened me to this practice. The author has compaired this practice to spiritual theories posed by quantum physics. So far that is where I'm at on the infinite journey. -
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Thu, December 22, 2005 - 5:22 PM"Can we manifest and control our every choice in life? "
this takes practice and is not automatic by any means--we do have something pushing against us--some call it an "enemy" or our "opposite"
if we want to manifest bread--we must experience the absence of bread first.
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Fri, December 23, 2005 - 1:39 AMWow. Very nicely said. And safely too. -
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Re: Quantum spirituality?
Wed, January 18, 2006 - 6:26 AMHope you Guyz dont mind me joining your blog. This is my first time and i have this feeling that whatever I say isn’t smart enough to say....but here goes.
Do you think that even if we had all the answers to the universe, including the complex quantum physics, that we would be able to comprehend them? Not just because we might not have the brains to calculate something so complicated, but also because the way we have been shown to think. For example, we belive there is a start and end to everything, we find it hard to think that something can just BE.
Another example would be; the connections with the string theory.
If I call you from my cell phone, there is a radio (type) connection between us. I have to dial your frequency (number) too contact you, and there's an Arial (or satellite) that aids our connection. And between that connection could be 1000 miles (+) or 2cm, but there is a physical gap in space, and in time. Thats something we can easily comprehend, but what if in the quantum string universe there is no gap in time or space? Could they be just connected and separate at the same time?
The way we humans comprehend 'stuff' is that they have to be one or the other. It could be the same with our spirituality. We could be evolving physically and spiritually separately, but still be connected.
If I’m talking total rubbish please let me know.
Thanks for your time.
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Wed, January 18, 2006 - 11:22 AMAndy,
Thanks for your comments. And let me preface my response by saying that I too am no expert in quantum physics. My responses will simply be from my best knowledge and interpretation.
"Do you think that even if we had all the answers to the universe, including the complex quantum physics, that we would be able to comprehend them?"
Maybe. Maybe not. If not, should we desist in our effort to try and figure it out?
"Not just because we might not have the brains to calculate something so complicated, but also because the way we have been shown to think."
So unlearn. And reteach yourself from scratch.
"For example, we belive there is a start and end to everything, we find it hard to think that something can just BE."
These are just philosophical positions. Although, from a scientific standpoint, at this point there SEEMS TO BE, much more evidence to indicate a starting point. Notice, this does not imply an end. In fact, there are many various theories of this. Hoyle's "Steady State Theory" is a scientific theory that says that the universe has and always will be in existence. Even with the Big Bang, an end is not required. So, in answer to your question, things COULD "just be". But then again, there could be a beginning and end. Or there could be cycles. The options are open. There is no ONE WAY that scientists think, as your post seems to imply.
"but there is a physical gap in space, and in time. Thats something we can easily comprehend, but what if in the quantum string universe there is no gap in time or space? Could they be just connected and separate at the same time?"
It is my understanding that string theory and the Standard Model of quantum physics in general show a universe that IS connected and inseparable. There is no gap in space and time. There's just more particle/waves. The space is just what we see as space. Even in the space between you and your monitor there is tons of stuff. It is not empty.
"The way we humans comprehend 'stuff' is that they have to be one or the other."
Please explain further...
"We could be evolving physically and spiritually separately, but still be connected."
I would hesitate to even separate the two.
"If I’m talking total rubbish please let me know."
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Wed, January 18, 2006 - 12:52 PMHi Andy- The joy of you even joining this tribe is to further your understanding of life and quantum physics. I joined for that reason alone. Your comments and questions are not stupid... because your taking the time to actually ask them. So many people just take the mysteries of life for granted, and then are quick to bitch and complain about things they do not understand. Fear keeps many people from asking questions.
What I have learned so far is that everything is connected. Of course it would be nice (when and if) science can physically prove this unified field theory or string theory. I originally started this thread, because Im also on a spiritual quest. I think other religions and cultures are extremely interesting, and value the diversity of thought on this planet. However, something about quantum physics called out to me. My advice to you is just to start doing your own research. The joy of this field of science is that there is an endless amount of debate and theory... and the possibilities are endless. Try not to get stuck, and open your mind to the infinite. Colleen -
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Wed, January 18, 2006 - 3:14 PMHi Kevin and Colleen, thanks for your welcome and comments.
I don’t think we should stop trying to figure things out at all… I might have come over wrong. I don’t think we could stop even if we wanted too. Our thirst for knowledge is great and is what has made us what we are today.
If anything I think we don’t spend enough effort and recourses into discovery, and I don’t think enough people take time to understand even the most basic things about life, the universe and everything. Which is a shame because it’s so beautiful!
To me, magic isn’t pulling a rabbit out of a hat, or finding the right card from a deck. Magic is the Simple Complexity of life the universe and how everything works Independently Together. Now that’s a bunch of words you cant always use together!
When I said
"Not just because we might not have the brains to calculate something so complicated, but also because the way we have been shown to think."
I meant that there are a lot of people who don’t think outside their boxes and everyday life. They don’t look at what’s around them and see people who do as ‘Geeks’ or strange.
There are even those who keep all this knowledge too themselves for cooperate, greed or military reasons, when we should share and work together and make even bigger strides. But I’m not saying that we should stop.
"The way we humans comprehend 'stuff' is that they have to be one or the other."
I meant that a lot of people see things as black and white, where I think things are more connected.
A lot of people are also fighting against science and Darwinism being taught in schools, and this has a knock on effect on how our government’s spend and approach science/discoveries and exploration.
But please understand that I’m still trying to learn, and just throwing ideas out there.
Hope that answers them all.
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Sun, February 26, 2006 - 4:11 PMWe, as the created, believing our Creator and see all. If all brain activity is electrically stimulated then can it also be monitored or recorded? Iif we have the feeling that we are being monitored it might be a more real than simply a feeling. We know we can monitor and collect electical activity in the movement of light , and air. Can electrical brain activity be collected and monitored to create an image?
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Sat, January 21, 2006 - 3:14 PMI see that there hasn't been much activity on this topic, but it is something that I am intensely interested in. Having been on the spiritual quest for most of my life, I have found the descoveries in the science realm are confirming the teachings of many spiritual masters. I find this fascinating. My first glimpse of the connection was after reading Fred Allan Wolfe's book Mind into Matter. Initially I thought it was a cute play on words. Now I see how powerful our mind or intention is at creating the matter or reality that we perceive. Yes, I'm hooked and would love to participate in further discussion on this topic. -
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Sun, January 22, 2006 - 1:46 PMif you liked that book he wrote (which I have not as of yet) , I read one of his other books titled, The Yoga of Time Travel: How the Mind Can Defeat Time. He has written 11 books thus far, and I would love to read more of his work. However, Im overwhelmed with the endless information out there. Im picking a book up from the library today titled, Quantum Theology. That is the new read for me, for now. I try to stick to one quantum physics book at a time. With all my other interests filling my time, I have to. Keep living, keep learning, Colleen -
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Wed, January 25, 2006 - 6:00 AMHi all Hope your All well
That sounds like an interesting book(s).
I wonder if were doing something with time when we experience an accident.....
what I mean is;
I was in my car and the engin cut out and wouldnt start again as I turned the key over and over again. I noticed something to my right.... it was a bus! The speed it was going ment that it wouldnt stop in time. At that moment, it was like everything slowed down...the movement of the bus and everything arround, appart from me!
I had enough time to try the key again, this time it worked and I was able to move just (JUST) in time.
Another time, I was at a friends birthday party (I only drank a glass of wine). As the birthday boy started to dance on the table(he had more than a glass of wine!) Someone took a picture... OK this would be totally unbelivable to you guys but.... I saw the light of the flash leave the camera, streem accross the room and bounce off walls and people. It felt like it took a few seconds to do this and everyone in the room was completely still. It looked more like someone had thrown a glass of water accross the room and it splashed against everything.
Im not saying that I slowed time down, or that I can see and process faster than the speed of light. I have no idea what happend, and just wanted to share.
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Wed, January 25, 2006 - 1:08 PMthat sounds interesting. I think the human mind is capable of a lot more than most would give credit for. Time truly cannot be measured. It is infinite, and we really are just in the eternal now. I dont doubt that you were able to "feel" and "see" time slow down. Do you meditate? I only ask this, because if you do then you can probably reached the blissed out still point sooner than most. Also, if you have had those experiences with time slowing down, you should read the book I recommended. Fred Alan Wolf is an interesting guy, and the way he talks about the mind defeating time seems like it would be right up your alley. Check it out. Colleen -
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Thu, January 26, 2006 - 5:22 AMHI,
Im going to get the Books you recomend ASAP. They sound interesting.
I do meditate and use it as part of my therapy (massage) with my clients.
I agree, our minds are far greater than we know, or in some cases, much more magical than we would admit.
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Tue, February 5, 2008 - 1:04 PMAmazing. I have been wrestling with this same issue but in a slightly mutated form. My version attempts to shamnism, quantum theory and zen buddhism as these are the 3 that make the most sense to me but not each in it's entirety. Upon the birth of this idea, I took a bit too much LSD and this issue was what helped me through it. I had the same trip when I was 18, but this time I came out the other side feeling much better than before. This issue still lingers. Any thoughts? I'd love to learn more, but my focus was/is with zen first, as it seemed the most accessible. -
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Re: Quantum spirituality? LHC may help answer questions
Tue, February 26, 2008 - 1:44 PMWow I began this post a long while ago... Its nice to revisit.
Well, as many of us know the LHC at CERN will be going online this spring. I believe no matter what is proved or disproved, it is going to be a very important series of events to follow.
Time travel?
Parallel worlds?
Black holes?
The God particle?
Holographic universe?
The singularity?
I could go on and on and on. However, I'm still on the spiritual path and still reading books on spirituality and quantum physics. Even some more objective books. Such as Warped Passages: Unraveling the mysteries of the universes hidden dimensions. I also recently read, Parallel Worlds by Michio Kaku.
Both of these scientists/authors are very exited about the LHC going online. As am I.
I look forward to discussing the outcome of the experiments.
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