For those of you who attended the Ethics/Logistics of Bellydance workshop, we had a big discussion on bindis (the plain or fancy jewel or dots above the nose that Indian dancers wear.) I got a question yesterday about wearing bindis for the upcoming Hafla.
I had been approached by one of our Indian students and told that that was very offensive when used in context of bellydance - something I hadn't really thought about. Curious, I spoke with several Indian women, including Shainna, on their opinion on this topic. It was said that "reducing" the bindi to fashion is at best ignorant, and at worst, deeply hurtful and offensive." Needless to say, I was shocked and saddened to hear that, as I had always allowed bindis to be worn in our shows prior to becoming more knowledgeable. Shainna explained that the bindi represents the family's honor. Another woman, who wished to remain unnamed, explained that it was also hurtful to confuse Indian and Arabic culture, and that they were different in religion as well as culture. It is also confusing to Arabs to see bellydancers dancing to their music, but wearing something that represents another region entirely.
Shainna explained, however, that it WOULD be acceptable to wear the bindis when performing a Bollywood or Classical Indian dance because it is properly representing the culture. So, in answer to the question, bindis WILL be allowed for the Bollywood, but never again for dances that aren't Indian in origin.
Also, a big thank you to the brave Indian students who came forward to share their concern over this issue. Remember, if we don't know any better, we can't fix it! Thanks for letting us know!
I had been approached by one of our Indian students and told that that was very offensive when used in context of bellydance - something I hadn't really thought about. Curious, I spoke with several Indian women, including Shainna, on their opinion on this topic. It was said that "reducing" the bindi to fashion is at best ignorant, and at worst, deeply hurtful and offensive." Needless to say, I was shocked and saddened to hear that, as I had always allowed bindis to be worn in our shows prior to becoming more knowledgeable. Shainna explained that the bindi represents the family's honor. Another woman, who wished to remain unnamed, explained that it was also hurtful to confuse Indian and Arabic culture, and that they were different in religion as well as culture. It is also confusing to Arabs to see bellydancers dancing to their music, but wearing something that represents another region entirely.
Shainna explained, however, that it WOULD be acceptable to wear the bindis when performing a Bollywood or Classical Indian dance because it is properly representing the culture. So, in answer to the question, bindis WILL be allowed for the Bollywood, but never again for dances that aren't Indian in origin.
Also, a big thank you to the brave Indian students who came forward to share their concern over this issue. Remember, if we don't know any better, we can't fix it! Thanks for letting us know!
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Sat, July 26, 2008 - 9:33 AMAlso, for those of you who have worn bindis for bellydance and any other form without knowing the cultural context, please don't feel bad about this. It's better now that everyone knows. Thanks Suspira for posting this!
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Sat, July 26, 2008 - 1:01 PMwhile i've always liked the look of bindis. i will stop wearing them out of respect for my indian friends.
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Sun, July 27, 2008 - 8:01 AMThanks for this information! I think overall I was aware of the differences between the Hindu and Arabic culture and considered it more of a fashion trend created here in the states among the dancers.
It's very similar with Latin cultures, where there are so many countries and forms of dances, yet in the states, where everything comes together many mistakes and assumptions are made regarding our culture.
I appreciate the context behind this since we all should be aware of the differences and respect them. -
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Sun, July 27, 2008 - 1:31 PMThanks so much for this post. I do feel bad for have wearing them in the past but since now I know better, they have been retired. Im glad someone had ask regarding bollywood, i was thinking about asking myself. so i can bring out it out of retirement for this one dance. Thanks for the knowledge. : ) -
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Mon, July 28, 2008 - 9:27 AMI am glad this was brought up - I wear bindi's a lot. I love the way they look but I am putting them away until it is appropriate!
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Tue, July 29, 2008 - 1:22 PMI couldn't help but become interested in this since I am a grad student in cultural/social history. I have never worn a bindi myself because I always understood them to have religious and cultural meaning. I did some research and read that the bindi is a religious symbol of Hinduism and symbolizes the third eye (the psychic center in the chakra system) and both men and women wear them. A second meaning of the bindi ( the red dot worn by women) is a symbol of marriage worn only by married women. I have heard from some colleagues here at work that in modern day India the tradition has broken down and it is now worn by girls and unmarried women.
I have also read that the wearing of mendhi, nose rings, and bindis exploded onto the American scene with Madonna. Bollywood and Hollywood are now creating joint productions and all of this exposure creates more desire for and use of Indian cultural dress and symbols. Should we be using henna designs on our hands, or nose rings, etc? Do we draw the line somewhere, if so, where? I think the issue may justify a more thorough and broader discussion and dialog among all of us.
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Tue, July 29, 2008 - 1:32 PMGood info Mayra. I agree broader discussion is probably necessary. With so much influence of western culture many of these traditions are becoming eroded sorta speak and if not eroded for sure have changed their initial, intended, traditional purpose.
The more I read and learn the better and I would think the same would be for everyone else. One thing I love about belly dance is the ability it has given me to explore other other cultures, traditions in a deeper sense. -
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Tue, July 29, 2008 - 1:39 PMI just want to clarify a bit, the bindis worn by men are not what you think. I don't want anyone to get the picture of an Indian man and a rhinestone encrusted bindi. These are the original form of bindis (dyes and such) usually associated with Hindu worship (including the chakra meaning).
Also the Indian women that wear it commonly in India usually wear it as a symbol of their proud culture but of course there will always be those who reduce it to fashion, even in India, ironic as it is. -
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Tue, July 29, 2008 - 1:41 PMOh and about the henna, that usually is used for marriage ceremonies. In Indian classical dance a mock version is used such a a red dye or even red marker these days. Just a little cultural context :)
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Tue, July 29, 2008 - 1:42 PMWe had a big discussion about that in our ethics class. Perhaps we should have a similar class again.......we got really good feedback from it. -
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Tue, July 29, 2008 - 1:44 PMIn Moroccan culture, henna is considered sacred, and as a symbol of purity. It is only worn for marriages or births, and only by those in the immediate family. -
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Wed, July 30, 2008 - 5:45 AMThanks Shainna and Suspira for the clarifications. I did not attend the ethics workshop since at the moment I don't have the time to dedicate to a troupe (but hopefully will in another year). I would be interested in attending one that may be open to all with topics that would be pertinent for any student/dancers of OBD.
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Wed, July 30, 2008 - 5:50 AMI agree Alina. Everything tends to get watered down through pop culture in this country. I believe in artistic expression and some of the most beautiful and interesting cultures are a mixture of several cultures, but I also believe that there should be respect toward people of a culture and an understanding of what their symbols and traditions mean to them before someone begins to borrow things ad hoc and with no understanding of their deep significance. See you at Hafla! -
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Wed, July 30, 2008 - 8:46 AMwell, and I guess we see these "faux pas" so often, that it seems like it MUST be ok, because so many people do it. That's why I never knew about the bindi issue.....I knew it had nothing to do with Arabic culture, and that we weren't allowed to wear them when I was a dancer at Disney because it was representing the "wrong" culture/country, but I never knew that it could actually be hurtful. But I agree that since "anything goes" in America, its hard to know what might be offensive........we are exposed to so much! Again, I am thankful to those who came forward to me and explained why it wasn't ok. I would have never known. :) -
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Fri, August 1, 2008 - 6:11 PMIt is still ok to wear rhinestones around the eyes? I dont want to offend anyone by wearing them like I did in the last show. I like to wear them because it does represent the third eye and to me bellydancing has just added to my spiritulism.
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