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The good news out of the Nomenus Great circle this past weekend was that their confrontational Corporate Secretary Rula was voted out of his sitting position on the Church of Nomenus board of directors.
I've heard from several participants that a majority of the Nomenus Great Circle was devoted to discussing the fall-out from Rula's closed-door campaign to remove William and Rick from their church membership and participation.
Even though William and Rick were the top topic of debate at the Church of Nomenus Great Circle, both were denied participation in the proceedings about them, to be able to speak in their defense.
It was also posted in the Church of Nomenus Newsletter that "complete" minutes from the "special meeting" Rula called to oust William and Rick from their membership are available by request, except to William and Rick. Why does the Church of Nomenus work to keep from William and Rick what they allege William and Rick said in Rula's " Special Meeting?'
Since the Church of Nomenus is a 501 C-3 non-profit which mails out the Nomenus newsletter to Libraries and Universities, which Government agencies have access to these secret minutes withheld from the accused?
I'm also on the Nomenus heretics list, and have also been the butt of Nomenus malicious legislative process.
This is why we wish to sunlight these acts of malice worked against members of the Radical Faerie community by officers operating out of the Church of Nomenus.
I've heard from several participants that a majority of the Nomenus Great Circle was devoted to discussing the fall-out from Rula's closed-door campaign to remove William and Rick from their church membership and participation.
Even though William and Rick were the top topic of debate at the Church of Nomenus Great Circle, both were denied participation in the proceedings about them, to be able to speak in their defense.
It was also posted in the Church of Nomenus Newsletter that "complete" minutes from the "special meeting" Rula called to oust William and Rick from their membership are available by request, except to William and Rick. Why does the Church of Nomenus work to keep from William and Rick what they allege William and Rick said in Rula's " Special Meeting?'
Since the Church of Nomenus is a 501 C-3 non-profit which mails out the Nomenus newsletter to Libraries and Universities, which Government agencies have access to these secret minutes withheld from the accused?
I'm also on the Nomenus heretics list, and have also been the butt of Nomenus malicious legislative process.
This is why we wish to sunlight these acts of malice worked against members of the Radical Faerie community by officers operating out of the Church of Nomenus.
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Re: Nomenus Great circle
Fri, January 23, 2009 - 3:25 PMMinutes should be made available to Rick and William--as should copies of The Raddish.
I have agreed to send copies of the last two issues of The Raddish to Rickster. I will contact WillIam and ask if he also wants them.
I was present at both Great Circle and at the Special Meeting in November. I was allowed to speak although I am not a member of Nomenus.
I raised several issues at the Great Circle.
* It needs to be made clear that the decision to expel Will and Rick was a CONSENSUS MINUS TWO (majority rules) decision which violated the bylaws.
* Rick and William were lumped together into a single proposal instead of treated as individuals. What happend at the "Special Meeting' is that Rick blocked the proposal to remove William from membership. Rula then proposed amending the proposal to include Rickster and there was virtually no discussion and a couple of stands asides before the newly ammended propsal passed essentially by majority vote.
Rick was not given reasons why his membership was being revoked so it's to be assumed that he was banned because he blocked the proposal removing William. Some members present at that meeting stood aside because they had never met Will or Rick. Other members have never met them in person yet expressed tacit support for the proposal.
* During discussion of the proposal to ban William, shady shit was taking place at the meeting in San Francisco. While people were speaking, a piece of paper was circulated among those present to tally a secret vote that was not announced to people on the phone. The ballot question asked Do you support removing William from membership?? with columns to check off yes or no.
* Other members of Nomenus told Rickster and William near the end of that meeting that they were still "welcome" at wolf creek even though they were no longer members. The reality is that the emotional fallout and shitty treatment that both of them received at the "Special Meeting" means that this 'welcome' is mere lip service.
* The Special Meeting was called to allegedly elect a new corporate secretary. After the consensus minus two-majority rules decision, there was widespread reluctance to do exactly that. They were going to end the Special meeting without the election. But i pointed out that the special meeting was supposed to be all about the secretary's election. Clearly the hidden agenda for the Special Meeting was different from the intention that was circulated.
* In The Raddish, Mugwort wrote that he had not yet heard from any one who thought the decision to expel two members was "a bad idea." I spoke up in circle claiming to be the first person to tell him why i thought it was a bad idea.
* At the special meeting i asked for someone to clarify what the bylaws actually said about removing members. My request was ignored. The Special Meeting minutes contained in The Raddish construes my request as "sinnerjee wishes the process had more clarity"
* The consensus-minus-two decision activated a fear-based Survivor-vote-you-off-the-island mentality that needs to be addressed. -
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Re: Nomenus Great circle
Fri, January 23, 2009 - 4:14 PMThank you so much, Sinn, for keeping your eyes and heart open.
Anyone who logs onto the main Wolf Creek/Nomenus web page, will see this paragraph at the top of the page for the organization of Nomenus section:
" The Organization of Nomenus
A Network Based on Consensus
Nomenus is a network of Radical Faerie gay men, mostly on the West Coast of the US, who come together to manifest our collective visions of faery sanctuary, community and spirituality. We use the consensus process rather than voting in all of our meetings so as to take in the wisdom of each of us in our decision-making. It is an interactive and creative process of finding how to weave our visions together, and we encourage you to ask if you are finding it a bit confusing. "
Either that paragraph or the organization of the Church of Nomenus must change.
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Re: Nomenus Great circle
Fri, January 23, 2009 - 5:58 PMNomenus will change.
I commit myself to it.
I want to help build consensus within Nomenus toward adopting a process for the redress of grievances the church has committed against former members, heretics and outcasts.
I also want to pioneer ways for people who are not eligible for membership to have voices in Nomenus process so that we can sidestep the painful red herring issue of who can and cannot be a member. I am not Gay-identified or Radical Faerie-identified. And yet I have always been allowed a voice at meetings probably because it's assumed that i'm 'gay.' I've clarified my role in Nomenus process. As an inside-outsider, I can offer my perceptions and suggestions. That's all. Since i am not a member, i cannot make proposals or block proposals.
I realize that i do not need decision-making power in order to have influence within Nomenus. The conversations i have with church members and the words i share at meetings are sufficient power for me. I want there to be harmony and healing of the wounds that some people are suffering as the result of past actions taken by church members. Those of us who care about Wolf Creek Sanctuary, the faggots and friends who have gathered there and continue to gather-- WE WILL WORK OUR SHIT OUT!! -
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Re: Radish and meeting minits.
Mon, June 8, 2009 - 9:10 AMas of June 8th 2009
Neither Rick Or I have Received ANY Raddish or Minutes ... Or official correspondence from ANY Member of Nomenus EVER.
Not from the hired Facilitator... Not from an officer... or any other persons who "Promised" to send us copies... EVER.
so much for my Faggot church LOL...
so much for nearly 10 years of dedication...
and an effort to expose Unjust Officers...
and to think i Supported Zach as president!
What a Betrayer and incompetent.
but hey... He has the (ring of) "POWER" right?
because he told us what we wanted to hear at his election... (Listen to the recordings)...
he said ONE thing... then Did the ABSOLUTE Opposite.
the lesson stands...
if you are willing to Stoop to Treachery ... you can achieve ANYthing.
Justice be DAMNED!
the Fae Church is Now totally Amerikanized.
the bisexual agenda complete.
William
Long live the Slim and Silent!
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Re: Nomenus Great circle Clarification of Special meeting violations
Mon, January 26, 2009 - 1:55 PMhere is a re post of something from the WCF list...
it outlines the items violated from the bi laws...
I would like to point out that Rula Knows our Bi Laws Better than ANYONE... and Still Participated in the Violations...
Random (also knows our bi laws and a Former Oficer who bailed on us only a month or 2 into his term... Cackled that the meeting was a "Kangaroo court" when Rick said that the meeting was a "Witch hunt" He made NO attempt to stop what was happening... Just took Glee in the Chaos. as is So often the case with that one.
Sad when these to older men pass for "Elders" in the church of Nomenus.
here is the re post:
for those who are unclear of the Violation of by laws, in recent application by our Current President and others, at the "Witch hunt/Kangaroo Kourt" that was perpetrated at the last "Special Meeting" called for the purpose of election of a Corporate Secretary.
Be Clear... that at least 5 members were not informed of the meeting AT ALL (their information totally up to date) and about that many more gave their consent (by email) to be counted in the needed"Quorum", were Never told, that the intention of the meeting was to first excommunicate ANYONE... let alone by "consensus minus2".
The meeting was Illegal... and anything that has transpired since that meeting is also illegal. and is subject to revocation and re examination of GC.
I also believe that the actions of the officers involved... and those who supported this illegal Action, should be put under review...
there is NOTHING in the bi laws, that allow ANY member, to have greater power over Any other member at ANY TIME. the Actions of Officers and the MOB assembled, were a Violation of our Non Profit Status.
Here are the Pertinent passages from our bi laws:
Any of the following events may cause the cessation of membership: 1) by resignation of that
member, 2) exclusion of a member by consensus of the other members at a semi-annual meeting
or at a special meeting CALLED FOR THAT PURPOSE...
HOW TO CALL "SPECIAL MEETINGS".
1. Authority to Call. Special meetings of the members for any purpose, except as limited by
Article IV, Section 3.C.1., may be called at any time by at least ten percent of the members, on
petition to the secretary of the corporation, WHO SHALL PUBLISH NOTICE TO THE >>>FULL<<< MEMBERSHIP
2. Notice.
a. Manner of Giving Notice. Notice of the time and place of special meetings shall be given to
EACH member by one of the following methods: 1) by personal delivery of written notice; 2)
by first class mail; 3) by telephone, either directly to the member or to a person at the
member's residence or office who would reasonably be expected to communicate that notice
promptly to the member; or 4) by telegram, charges prepaid. All such notices shall be
given or sent to the member's address or telephone number as shown on the records of the
corporation.
b. Time Requirements. Notice of a special meeting of the membership shall be delivered at
such a time that the members have at least fourteen days' notice before the time set for the
meeting.
c. Notice Contents. The notice of a special meeting of the membership shall state the TIME of
the meeting, the PLACE, AND THE PURPOSE OF THE MEETING.
3. Quorum. A quorum for a special meeting shall consist of 40 percent of the then-current
membership.
>>>>> How many members are there? <<<<
>>>>>who do we trust to verify this percentage... if we can not trust them to uphold our by laws?<<<<
oh ... and NO Publication to the RadDish... or the CoCo List... (which has been under censorship for more than 2 years.)
Placing SOME Posts (Decided inappropriate by ONE or TWO... ) to a Folder that can only accessed if they know how to find it... IS Censorship No matter how hard you deny it.
it is NOT Egalitarian ... it is NOT Non Hierarchical... and it assumes personal Power that is in DIRECT VIOLATION of our Bi Laws.
the Bi laws also say that our org is a Religious org... and our last president did not even see us as a "Church"... (?)
is it Not time, to take back our Church from those who do not honor our process, so clearly spelled out in our bi laws?
or pull the plug on what has clearly become a conflict of interests?
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Re: Nomenus Great circle Clarification of Special meeting violations
Mon, January 26, 2009 - 2:16 PMVery good points, William. Thank you for posting this. Sunlighting these malicious actions of a few Church of Nomenus officers against members of our community is the start of the healing process. -
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Re: Nomenus Great circle Clarification of Special meeting violations
Sun, June 7, 2009 - 8:17 AMNote: prior deletion was for my bad typing skills.
The latest RadDish has several pages of minutes from Nomenus Great Circle, publishing the spin and here-say against Wiliam and Rickster by Nomenus Church officers. William and Rick are also excluded from these official Church minutes published about them as enemies of the Church of Nomenus.
We will post more of these minutes here.
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