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Had a lovely chat with Nomenus President Zakk, at the Sanctuary. Word is it is o.k. to send in another membership application. If so, of course I will still advocate for the excluded.
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Re: Nomenus membership application # 5
Sun, August 2, 2009 - 7:33 AMAnd here I type today on the computer in Garden House at Wolf Creek on the last day of the Spiritual Gathering of Radical Faeries. The Gathering was a success, many attendees had not been here, or together as a group, for years. Nomenus Membership Application # 5 was accepted by the President of the Church, again I'm a member of Nomenus.
For those other excluded Radical Faeries here, if you wish for a spirit of reconciliation, if you do not use this as a vehicle to drive around in a circle of accusation and retribution, I can act as a conduit for welcoming you home. Contact my Widdershins account only. I've heard all the history, and I ask, if you are able to agree to disagree and move forward.
Yes, bad things were done by the Church to us, I'm willing to forgive and move forward, can you?
I think the Church of Nomenus is reaching for a better era, and see good steps of reconciliation afoot.
I'm still debating on the future of this tribe. -
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Re: Nomenus membership application # 5
Sun, August 2, 2009 - 12:15 PMI am Curious what there is to return to... ?
if the org's Stated Process is to be Swept away, by those in "power", when they do not like what some one has to say?... or how they say it?
Is it a "Consensus" Org of "EGALITARIAN Non Higherarchal Consensus process"?
OR NOT?
It is one thing to 'Move forward' after Injustice...
but if it is what we have to look forward to more of...
and if people are never held accountable fort their deceit...
what is it that people are returning to?
Are those Wronged Just supposed to Smile at those who did the wrong... and never have it addressed? that is the Frog Skin World... Not the nature of what I was taught was RADICAL FAE.
SO I ask again... what is it that is proposed?
This is a Sincere Question...
once Nomenus was THE Place where it was OK to BE myself...
now apparently that is the unpardonable sin... worthy of excommunication and Gossip.
Has the President (that accepted your application) decided that they CAN "Wait for the old Queens to die?"
or are the old Queens (who Seek M4M Space... and fair Just Process) only welcome if we sit down and Shut up... and let those who feel entitled, Just Steam roll over everything that the org stood for once?
I Really want to know...
If that is what we are welcome back to... who needs it?
Not me.
I am Glad you found what you wanted...
but I worked for 10 years... HARD... to build a Space for Fagot Brotherhood...
AND to find Compromise so that others could have what they want...
(except women living on the land long term ... and SOME Abusing roles as Officers... )
I tried to find Compromise for years...
Just to have Slanderers accuse me of "never being open to Compromise"...
So what is it that is being offered?
More Abuse?
more Injustice?
more manipulated process?
more power trippers who think they are above TRUE Consensus?
hmmmmmm
What is Faerie now?
what is Nomenus Now?
A "GAY MEN's CHURCH"?
or is it something else now?
the place where the "majority" CAN "tyrannize the minority"?"
that is NOT what Fae Used to mean... not what I was TAUGHT it meant.
So what do you see the Future of your church looking like Vaughn?
Who will be the next Victim to make the Majority feel more "Equal"...
will you go along with those who seek to Silence others?
will that be OK with you?
I would like to know...
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Re: Nomenus membership application # 5
Mon, August 3, 2009 - 1:02 PMPlease respect my wish to have my faerie name used here.
I'm trying very hard with a difficult subject, so please don't flame me.
The individuals who worked against my membership are in descendancy. I'd rather move forward beyond past wrongs or slights, and I believe this is the opportunity to do so.
There were 3 and a half years of official ill will worked against me. I asked all my friends in Nomenus not to take any stand for me, as I was able to speak myself of my experience. I did not want to stage a battle, and have people take sides. This showed me who was working to deny my membership to the Church of Nomenus.
Those individuals no longer have the position to exclude me, their pattern has defined them, and it is safe for me to be a member of the Church again.
So, I'm going to wait a few months to call in to a meeting, to allow folks the chance to wrap their brains around the fact that I am again a member of Nomenus. Also, if any have objections to my membership, I told Zack to have them contact me, and I will talk with them outside the business meeting.
The Spiritual Gathering of Radical Faeries brought several hundred or more attendees. There were active and well-attended Heart Circles each day. The age range was from late teens to sixties. It was one of the more generational gatherings that I have attended. There was mud-pit ritual, no-talent shows, Miss Wolf Creek pagents, and a circle jerk around the fire-pit. Only drama was dogs on the land against the request of the Gathering call, and noise complaints about late-night dance parties.
I did hear several people say they wished you were there.
You are not excluded from the Sanctuary, just the Church at the moment.
Be patient, as I was, and I'll see what I can work for your re-admittance, if that is what you wish. -
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Re: Nomenus membership application # 5
Mon, August 3, 2009 - 4:58 PMWinder...
I am Sorry for the miss speak...
I do have appreciation for you...
my anger and outrage is Not at you in this respect.
I Just still can not rap my mind around the one BLACK Stain that blinds me from seeing you as a Brother, and You do not want to talk about that... so... I will respect that.
Your speaking of the gathering like I Used to know...
where it was once ok, to be me... and sit in those endless Heartcircles...
(that is what I went to gatherings for)...
made me cry.
the thing I want the most... the thing i worked so hard to have...
and now it is a place where Being me... "Takes up to much space" in the world....
not my Ideas... ME.
My Style... My Personality (and body?) turn out to be the one unexceptionable thing... to being FAE.
after all the Drug addicts and Users ... and Thieves and Predators... ALL this is worthy of NOMENUS MEMBERSHIP...
but being ME is what is NOT OK... (?) wooooow!
Honesty and Directness and passion and commitment...
all undesired in a package like me.
I am TRASH to be KICKED TO THE CURB.
I Still Wonder about the 'President' that spoke to us a year ago in GC (Recorded) Saying ALL the Right things about Honoring our church and its members... AND OUR PROCESS... (got My Support... and Ricks) and then was SOooooo Quick to show us that he did not have a CLUE what our process was... and Ricks and My Execution (Silence equals death) wound up being the the 'Means to and end'...
that could be justified. NO! WAS DESIRABLE.
WE were expendable.
Rick and I NEVER sought to Silence anyone... or tell ANYONE that "they were not welcome"... Not even Rula or Random...mug butt or ANY of the others...
EV (good 'Circle of loving Companions Brother' that he was) was oh sooo QUICK to Jump in and facilitate the execution, while people who KNEW our Process, let a bunch of people who had NEVER been in our Process (meetings) before.. (Undocumented after) Roasted Rick and I on a Spit.
AND THEN LET IT STAND!
Does anyone remember that it was Rick and I
who got the Addiction Circle off the main pathway of the SGRF gatherings....?
or that Rick and I tried and tried to encourage progress (that GC and Sanctioned)...
to help the pangender folks establish themselfs as a non profit and use the land to raise funds?
does Anyone remember that it was Rick and I that proposed a WOMENS gathering on the land... ?
NO I thought not.
WE ARE E X P E N D A B L E
Yet that Mugwart swares that we "NEVER Compromised!"
It was NOT us censoring or disconnecting Conference calls... or BLOCKING items from the discussion Agendas.
It was NOT us Walking out of Meetings if we did not like a Topic.
It was NOT us SCREAMING at people in Meetings... or Spreading Slander at every opportunity.
All things that happened to us under his officership (often by him), and that he was party to.
How do we build the future if we ignore the past... ?
That is what has gotten us where we are now.
what is WRONG is WRONG. and to leave it un addressed, Poisons the pond for the future...
It matters not if Rick and I are there or not...
It is still Poisoned for the future.
Some one will wind up Whipping boy to make the Cliques feel 'more Equal'... it happened under the voodoon cult on the land... and it is Still Happening now with OFFICERS who think their positions are 'RINGS OF POWER' rather than REQUIRED by Law... and Bi Laws
EQUAL TO EVERY OTHER MEMBER.
If what happened to Rick and I, seems acceptable to Nomenus... or of little concern...
after the years we tried to get the org to stay on track to EGALITARIAN (Non Hihgerarchal) CONSENSUS ...
and trying to stop people from abusing 'power'
not to mention the fact that we attended 10 years worth of meetings ...
Never neglecting the work we took on ... from publishing the raddish to support of gatherings... and Care packages to the Sanctuary...
then WHO NEEDS them? NOTHING HAS CHANGED, if what has happened to the 2 of us, is unimportant. Nothing has been learned... it will all happen again.
I am Happy that you have found the BROTHERHOOD that Rick and I are Second Class Citizens to ... Unworthy of...
but what is Right is Right...
what is WRONG is WRONG.
and if what has been Done, is not worth UNDOING... because it might be inconvenient or unpleasant...
then who NEEDS them.
Guess we are expendable ...
At least we did not get ARRESTED in Heart CIRCLE.
Thank you for being the ONLY one to keep your word to me...
I Still have not read what you sent... what is the point?... Just more lies.
I am Spent.
William ((OMEGA if i were a Fae))
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