Caretaker training. - 2006/08/22 09:07 This next cumbersome bit is an interesting thread started by Iz, a Sanctuary resident soon to be Sanctuary Caretaker.
This thread was from the tribe "Wolf Creek faeries" tribe, and was deleted there. I saved it, understanding then the nature of the hit and run tactics used by Iz.
The context was in another tribe thread a faerie named Daisy posted about her concerns over alcohol abuse seen at the Sanctuary. I posted about a recent Sanctuary visit after an event where there were a lot of empty beer cans and bottles. I also had money stolen out of my wallet while there.
Iz then started a thread titled "Tossing shitballs-faerie style" which I archived and now re-post here for the record.



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While it's encouraging to see that anyone can say anything at anytime, here; I find myself smeared by a faerie. And, while it's a faerie, it's not "very Faerie."

I could spend hours typing in specific examples of how a particular person has, over and over, abused our process, treated others with a shoddiness that he wouldn't stand for, and cast aspersions far and wide about people he sees twice or thrice a year.
But, it wouldn't change anyone's perspective...

This movement is supposed to be about disempowering outmoded behaviors; it's about planting new modes of relating, based around subject-subject consciousness.

If we hear someone talking smack, we need to ask ourselves why they're saying what they're saying; and, what's the reality beyond their meta-messaging?

To be specific, how can someone I don't live with, or associate with, throw out the kind of schmear I've read about myself, and my community, this week? And, what kind of duty, or right, do I have to defend my actions and reputation?

I know what my issues are. I know my own vices and shortcomings. I don't know what gives some broken-spirited, consistently mean, trash talker the right to indict my lifestyle in the middle of a sister's open heartshare about dealing with sobriety inside of the Faerie culture.

The Sanctuary is not a brothel or bar, no matter what anyone says. It's not OK to be a mess, make a mess, or leave a mess. Pass it on. It is not Shangri-La-la, so many of our sisters bring their baggage with them. And, I don't know if anyone else noticed, but drugs and alchohol are serious issues for Gay culture, and many of us are engaging our issues around them. I'd rather talk about creative approaches to those issues, than whether or not some tired queen is right in her vitriolic attack on her sisters.

No one is running a still on our Sanctuary, no one has turned into a thief by being there, and no one is guaranteed healing just by drinking the tea (as much as I wish it were so).

I have met so much family through the Land, and have had so many opportunities to touch and be touched, spiritually. I'm not at all surprised that someone would try to steal that joy, or sour my love for ALL OF US. I'm not surprised that someone like that would still be coming to the Land; there's lots of love there, and maybe the disruptor needs to see what Love really looks like. I need the lesson. I need to learn to love self-haters and abusers. Love them enough to let them go, enough to trust that the Process will change them, just by the nature of being exposed to it. I also need to love them enough to call them out, to shine while they name their demon. And, to not confuse their issues with my own.

I took extreme care in how I called out our sister, only to have him act out my expectations of him. Was I wrong to name them? Was it in poor taste to refute gross misstatements about OUR SANCTUARY? Have I gone out of my way to sting or hurt? I must've spent an hour trying to focus on issues, instead of insulting or badgering. To be upbraided again, by some hurting soul, still looking for someone else to fault for not feeling connected or potentiated.

I'm sorry I responded to Angie's vituperative. Most of us know him well enough to take his stories with rolaids. I can only ask that each of us examine our lives, our works, our words, our attitudes, and act accordingly. No one has to take abuse, especially not around the subject of SANCTUARY.
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Wed, February 8, 2006 - 11:26 AM
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This is just sad that you are using this forum for your character assasination of me.
Daisy posted her recent experience seeing substance abuse at the Sanctuary, I shared mine,
and in your own words you chose to call me out, and lied here about such as my involvement with Nomenus or an outing into town with my boyfriend.
For the record, the contentious day at Great Circle to let Fritz in as a member I was not even a part of. I also understand there were fireworks at the last COTL about Beast and Rabbit, no involvement from me there either.
How sad you have chosen me for your enemy.
Is that what you go to Sanctuary for?
And how are your concerns about substance abuse on the Sanctuary different than others?
My friend Star is recovering from a brain injury, his lover had recently died, and you chased him off the Sanctuary, claiming he was using heroin, when none was ever found, and he had never been seen using it.
Your concern about this substance abuse was so important to you that you changed the rules targeting certain substances.
I've spoken up in defense of friends who have been banned from the Sanctuary, often based on rumor or gossip, or who certain people wish to see living at the Sanctuary.
Why do you keep insisting on "calling me out" and using this public forum for your revenge?
Stop this madness now.
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Re: Crows in the corn
Wed, February 8, 2006 - 11:36 AM
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P-YEW......
As tha Crow flies................
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Wed, February 8, 2006 - 9:37 PM
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miss izzt crow are you still in oakland? lets get together just tell me when your in the city of sin and we shall sin together!!!!!!!!! love you much much much!!!!!
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Wed, February 8, 2006 - 10:13 PM
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Ya can have some sin throwin' Iz's shitballs at faeries!
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Stop the shitballs, Iz
Yesterday, 3:34 PM
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I am still troubled by this character assassination on this forum here against me by Iz.
I had shared by recent experience on Daisy's thread about alcohol abuse on the land. I am not alone in saying this.
From Zeus in a recent Nomenus Co-Co email:
"Why did he(Rabbit) (and others) allow the druken
madness to continue thru out last summers mens
gathering. No ONE person is responsible for dealing
with that issue but seeing as how such an issue can
and should be addressed within the paarameters of his
caretaker proposal I feel it is important and
reasonable to question his reslove on this issue. THAT
IS WHAT I SAID,,, Hugs, Zeus

and there were other posts I've read about concerns over alcohol use,There were several on the Samhain tribe that were deleted. yet Iz is singling me out just for sharing my opinion.
As Iz at great Circle kept talking over me, and trying to shut me up just for sharing my opinion.
I did not block any proposals.
I resigned as Corporate Secretary because I could not face the hate and judgment Iz was throwing at me. I was not involved with Nomenus for that, so I left.
There has been a pattern of abuse against certain individuals at Wolf Creek over the years.
The faerie who was hand-cuffed in heart circle by the sheriff during a gathering.
The police being called onto the land by a hysterical faerie two summers back, police officers walking into the circle at the fire pit during a new moon ritual.
I've had friends banished from the land based on gossip and community politics of those privileged to live at Sanctuary.
Part of the banishment process is to objectify the individual with some filthy term like "psychic vampire" to justify this action of exclusion to the group.
I've worked to heal these rifts, to find a better way, believing as faeries we are capable of creating incredible magic as solutions to what life gives us.
As we all do I've made miss takes, and I've tried to make the best of them.
Last summer Iz decided a friend of mine then at the Sanctuary was using heroin. None was found, none was seen, but this campaign of character assassination drove my friend Star off the Sanctuary. Star was with me when I first set foot on the Sanctuary at Wolf Creek way back in 1986, at the start of Nomenus. Star has had serious head injuries so he talks a little slow or has trouble walking. His lover, Peanut, had died a few months before, and after cleaning up their estate he went to Wolf Creek for Sanctuary. Star had been one of the first residents after Nomenus purchased Wolf Creek.
My lover at the time, Gidget, had moved to San Fransisco from Short Mountain in 1981. Ted organized several "field trips" from San Fransisco to Short Mountain, which fired the desire to form n
Nomenus and create Sanctuary here on the West Coast.This was the time Sis Mish moved from san fransisco to Short Mountain.
Faeries wanted a safe space to hold gatherings at a land owned by faeries, so we would not have to ask permission and give money to the non-faerie world we must exist in.
So, Iz, after seeing this pattern of you singling me out to "call me out",I ask you to stop.
Nomenus will survive me.
Wolf Creek will survive me.
So stop your vendetta now.
In honored tradition with all respects paid, what you put out against me will come back at you threefold.
Ted's ashes are at Wolf Creek, as are the cum, blood, ash, and bone of many a beloved brother and lover.
There is an odd history at Wolf Creek of playing "survivor" singling out one who's absence would make the land a "better community."
I told Iz his character assassination of my friend was wrong, he did not like hearing it, so today he still feels the need to "call me out" in forums such as this.
So, Iz, after seeing this pattern of you singling me out to "call me out",I ask you to stop.
Nomenus will survive me.
Wolf Creek will survive me.
So stop your vendetta now.

In honored tradition with all respects paid, what you put out against me will come back at you threefold.
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Re: Stop the shitballs, Iz
Yesterday, 6:38 PM
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Hey Iz,
No matter what the whiner whines, you've got me in your corner, Lady!
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Re: Stop the shitballs, Iz
Yesterday, 7:01 PM
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Are people really taking sides over this?
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Re: Stop the shitballs, Iz
Yesterday, 7:24 PM
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I don't feel much love comin' from the faeries here.
Who knew a flower could fart!
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Re: Stop the shitballs, Iz
Yesterday, 7:25 PM
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OOOPS, I did not mean Daisy!
Tha flower before_
See what these stinky threads make ya do?
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Re: Stop the shitballs, Iz
Yesterday, 7:33 PM
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all of those events compressed together actually sound very entertaining, were this a reality TV show. just think of it. there'd certaintly be an interesting cast of characters.
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Re: Stop the shitballs, Iz
Yesterday, 7:33 PM
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I'm not "taking sides" just reaffirming my loyalties to a friend who just got trashed here.
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Re: Stop the shitballs, Iz
Yesterday, 8:04 PM
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Who started this thread talkin" trash?
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Re: Stop the shitballs, Iz
Yesterday, 9:14 PM
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who knows, let's just blame you, Sqweegle. who wants to be a sacrificial scapegoat? you do, don't you sweetheart?
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Re: Stop the shitballs, Iz
Yesterday, 9:19 PM
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Lets jus' sacrifice Miss Linah ta that big monkey on tha back that lives at Wolf Creek!
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Re: Stop the shitballs, Iz
Yesterday, 10:02 PM
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why would the gods want Linah Cocaine, sqweegle? THINK! she's like a sacrificial fruitcake, they'd wrap her up and regift her
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Re: Stop the shitballs, Iz
Yesterday, 11:01 PM
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Tha funny part a this thread is earlier tonight fer real in tha "pretty pixie paradise" tribe we was talkin' about tha shitballs in Donatella's closet!
And here he is in Iz's shitball thread - friend ta pixie.
But no sides, please.
That is such grotesque behavior!
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Re: Stop the shitballs, Iz
Today, 2:31 AM
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i EAT shitballs, Sqweegle. there's a price for everything and everyone, and even though my price for scat is high, you could still afford a go at it with your tax returns. mmmmm, dirty, corn-chunky, shit-smeared lipstick kisses
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Re: Stop the shitballs, Iz
Today, 5:44 AM
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OOO down an' dirty daddie a delight Donatella!
Oh please keep talkin' that delicious smack ta me!
Yeah!
Call me out an' talk real,real dirty ta me!
Yeah-
#uhn#
#uhhhhhhhhhhhh#
UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!
OH-
Yeah-
OH_
YEAH!
BABY!
YE-AH!!!

This is why our dear Donatello is such a talented professional
that richly deserves ta be amply compensated by tha big bucks.


This is so much more fun than shit-balls, faeries.
'Cause at tha end a tha day what are ya left wit?
Shit on yer balls!

Stop tha shitballs, Iz

Gary
Re:Caretaker training. - 2006/08/22 16:32 One really depressing aspect of this is that the same people who habitually trash and slander other faeries are the ones who become caretakers or officers of the organization. I wonder if this is the cause of the problems or a symptom of something else? I hope we can get more faeries involved in this discussion because here we can say pretty much anything we want and not be deleted or censored. Back when the Raddish was the sole venue they had control over what got into the Raddish and what did not. I get the feeling these folks are accustomed to operating without accounability.
X Re:Caretaker training. - 2006/08/22 17:29 Here's the problem, as I see it......




WC is a fucking high school. You've got the popular kids, you've got the clowns, and yu've got the outcasts. You've got cliques, you've got gossip whores, and then yu've just got whores.

I hear a lot of talk about subject subject conciousness, but just because you're looking me in the eye, doesn't mean you're treating me with the same respect you feel you deserve.
A certain casretaker. on that land, used to look me in the eye ALL THE TIME, and tell me how much he loved me............... come to find out later, that the only reason he did this, was so he could have a place to crash in PDX.

Is THAT what subject subject is all about? Apparently so. As a matter of fact, I was the one who called WC a bathouse/nightclub. I just call it like I see it. The only complaints I EVER heard about were that certain people wouldn't fuck other certain people, and that meant they were discriminating. No, it means I don't want to fuck you for WHATEVER reason, usually it's the skeezy approach that turns people off.

I see a LOT of fey there using sex magic as an excuse just to fuck. What energy exchange is there? Are you meditaing on an intention while telling me to take it? Are you doing any healing work with this? The answers are an emphatic HELL NO!

I decided, after seeing the TRUE nature of a LOT of those people, to take my energy elsewhere. I got tired of being lied to, being talked about behind my back, and just the general shit judgemental attitudes of the ones who claim to be so enlightened.

I've said it before and I'll say it again........

That place might as well be a Catholic church. It's got enough candles and hypocrisy to be one.

Gary
Re:Caretaker training. - 2006/08/28 09:23 You are right about the high school like atmosphere and popularity. A few years past I saw a clear examlpe of how popularity effects faeries. None of the current caretakers were there at the time. In 1997 a long time faerie, Earl came to the sanctuary to spend his last days on earth. Earl lived in a trailer near the pumphouse. One of his interests was the language of Esperanto in which he was fluent. He had a goal that before he died he wanted to translate and put on line queer writings in Esperanto. To accomplish this he requested a temporary phone line to ascess the internet. One of the caretakers at the time, Sterling (Mike?) was adament that no phone line would be allowed because of environmental concerns and how "ugly" a phone line looks.

At about the same time a young faerie named Chango was visiting the land. Chango was about 20 years old, a model and a had a "sought after" body.
He was allowed to build three large sculptures without consensus, sculptures that could be easily seen from most points on the land.

If one is young and desireable you can do just about anything. If you are older and not on a caretaker's agenda then even a nonintrusive phone line is out of the question.

I am happy to report that another faeire and me measured out the distance and ran a temporary phone line from Garden House to Earl's trailer for 3 days and Earl did get some of his wirttings on line because of the phone line. Up until this post nobody even knew the line had ever been there. (the other faerie and I reached a consensus decision to take action) The remainder of Earl's work was put on disks and later placed on the net.

I guess playing favorites is a human tendency, but at a sanctuary we should be more aware of how these tendencys affect people who need sanctuary.

Vaughn
Re:Caretaker training. - 2006/08/28 10:28 The term I've heard being used a lot for the Wolf Creek Radical Faerie Sanctuary now is "Faerie farm"
Farms are fabulous, but there are so many of them, yet only one Sanctuary called as safe space where Gay men as Gay men can explore and develop our unique history and culture.
The barn sits today unfinished as is the kitchen, no new work there in near a year. A soon to be caretaker is using one of the hot tubs to raise guinee fowl in in back of the unfinished section.
People's personal living spaces they have claimed at "Sanctuary" are mostly kept neat, while such common spaces as the gardens mostly are going fallow.
X Re:Caretaker training. - 2006/08/28 14:17 Everyone thought that someone would do it. Someone figured that anyone would do it. When in fact, nobody did it.

Widdershins3
Re:Caretaker training. - 2006/08/28 19:41 Thank you for your input here.
We have not yet started to actively publicise this Association.
There will be several interesting posts here the coming weeks, and this work will grow as the roots are established.
The growth here so far has been steady, and as we reach critical mass we will start posting links for this Association to other faerie sites.
we have recieved many positive responses to this privately, so far.
Yes, we do take this seriously. Earlier this year a faerie calling himself "dirty" went to the Wolf Creek Sanctuary asking for Sanctuary. His need for Sanctuary got in the way of the resident's homesteading efforts,
he was told to leave, and shortly afterwords he committed suicide in a friend's bed in Eugene.
What was "dirty's" story?
X Re:Caretaker training. - 2006/08/28 19:45 Can we also talk about the fairy, who last year, got busted on for touching a child? Can we also talk about how this was kept on the downlow and that I STILL see this fey around once in a while? Nothing was done, no report made, nothing at all. Sanctuary indeed!
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Click here to send a Private Message to this userClick here to see the profile of this user Re:Caretaker training. - 2006/08/29 09:10 a friendly sugestion;

some of us cast ourselves out some were cast out

but

the name "outcasts of nomenus" might make some hesitate to join this association for fear that doing so will cause them to be cast out by the current crew of caretakers.

this may be why some faeries contact you privatly.

X Re:Caretaker training. - 2006/08/29 14:51 The fact that people are afraid of to speak up, is exactly why this place needs to be here.

Vaughn
Re:Caretaker training. - 2006/08/30 01:10 The "Outcasts of Nomenus" name will change on the six month anniversary of the founding of this Association,
when we plan to take this from out of the wilderness.
On the three month anniversary we plan another surprise here.

Post edited by: Vaughn, at: 2006/08/30 01:12

Gary
Re:Caretaker training. - 2006/08/30 09:52 Thanks for starting this association. I think we are all describing what we see as the problems. I would like talk about what our intentions are. Do we have any hope of causing any real change? Right now I think that if the caretakers and leaders respond at all it will be to dig in their heels and reaffirm the current regime.

I hear what Rodney and Masked are saying about putting the gender wars aside for awhile. The problems listed here go right to what used to be the heart of the organization.

It looks like caretakers are now chosen for their narrow "homesteading" vision rather than for taking care of the land, providing sanctuary and preparing for gatherings. I have no general objection to caretakers involvement in other projects, but those projects have now become the raison d'tre of the organization.

How can we get the focus back to the original intent of providing sanctuary?

Post edited by: Gary, at: 2006/08/30 09:53

Vaughn
Re:Caretaker training. - 2006/08/30 11:07 Thank you for your input here, and we have been pleased with the growth and intent of this Association. We have been talking with those who were there when the Church of Nomenus was first called as a safe space for Gay men to come as Gay men, to learn from our unique spiritual and cultural positions. There has been much support for this Association, which is growing as the church of Nomenus in excile.
X Re:Caretaker training. - 2006/08/30 11:34 My intent, is to do whatever it takes to call out those who are on soap boxes, with a mouth full of shit, and bring them back to reality. I'd like to see all my fairy friends happy again.