This weekend I have been invited to an ordination to a woman I love very much. She and I connect closly on a spiritual level, and she is family in the truest sense of the word. She has been working hard to get to this point, and I am thrilled as can be for her.
She asked my family to carry 'the gifts' as part of the ceremony. Being the clueless one I am, I thought this meant carrying her personal gifts that she may be receiving. Ok, so laugh if you want ;) I was never raised in church, went only a few times, and only have seen a communion once. When I discovered this meant carrying the communion offerings to her, I was touched deeply that she would include my family to take part like this. But then it dawned on me, does this mean I have to take communion?
This woman and I connect deeply on a spiritual level, as I have said before. We are both in service to our faiths, and find more connection between them then differences. We have prayed together, helped each other, carried each other through some terrifying times. She knows I am Wiccan, and I know she is Episcopalian. We both feel it does not matter what name is given to 'God', as long as there is love, trust, faith in action ... If this woman were at a Full Moon ritual, I would not hesitate to hand her the Chalice for communion, and would accept any prayer she offered because I know she is truely in service to faith in the most loving, open sense. And I don't know if she would hesitate to take it , but I think she would gladly take that chalice and offer a prayer to the Goddess... But I feel like I am dragging my feet taking communion at a church.
I suppose it is because of the approach, I don't know. Just because it's in a church?
So tell me, what do you think? I will be standing there, at the altar. I will be handing her these items, if it right for me to bow out after that? Would I be doing her and her faith a disservice? I feel like I ought to take communion, though I don't drink so not too sure what to do with that wine, as I dont drink. (That's a topic for another board though) But thought this could be a great conversation ... what would you do? What have you done? How hard is it, at times in life, to connect with the idea of loving faiths crossing paths from time to time? I have crossed paths with so many faiths ... why should this one set me hesitating?
She asked my family to carry 'the gifts' as part of the ceremony. Being the clueless one I am, I thought this meant carrying her personal gifts that she may be receiving. Ok, so laugh if you want ;) I was never raised in church, went only a few times, and only have seen a communion once. When I discovered this meant carrying the communion offerings to her, I was touched deeply that she would include my family to take part like this. But then it dawned on me, does this mean I have to take communion?
This woman and I connect deeply on a spiritual level, as I have said before. We are both in service to our faiths, and find more connection between them then differences. We have prayed together, helped each other, carried each other through some terrifying times. She knows I am Wiccan, and I know she is Episcopalian. We both feel it does not matter what name is given to 'God', as long as there is love, trust, faith in action ... If this woman were at a Full Moon ritual, I would not hesitate to hand her the Chalice for communion, and would accept any prayer she offered because I know she is truely in service to faith in the most loving, open sense. And I don't know if she would hesitate to take it , but I think she would gladly take that chalice and offer a prayer to the Goddess... But I feel like I am dragging my feet taking communion at a church.
I suppose it is because of the approach, I don't know. Just because it's in a church?
So tell me, what do you think? I will be standing there, at the altar. I will be handing her these items, if it right for me to bow out after that? Would I be doing her and her faith a disservice? I feel like I ought to take communion, though I don't drink so not too sure what to do with that wine, as I dont drink. (That's a topic for another board though) But thought this could be a great conversation ... what would you do? What have you done? How hard is it, at times in life, to connect with the idea of loving faiths crossing paths from time to time? I have crossed paths with so many faiths ... why should this one set me hesitating?
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Re: Taking Communion?
Thu, August 2, 2007 - 8:13 AMI am sorry, I can't figure out how to edit. It's a bit messy up in the post
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Re: Taking Communion?
Thu, August 2, 2007 - 12:58 PMMy mother recently converted to Catholicism, and during the ceremony, I and my husband were asked to come to take communion with the other family members. The polite way is to cross your arms in an X over your chest, hands flat and fingertips pointing toward your shoulders. You might want to ask her just to be sure, my memory has been known to be a little spotty on details when I get nervous.
Anyway if you're asked to take communion and don't want to flatly refuse, you should approach the one giving the wafer with your arms crossed, and then pause a moment for them to pray over you. For me, the gentleman put his hand on my bowed head, muttered a prayer, and then sent me on. Do the same with the person with the wine, if the two aren't offered at the one 'stop,' as it were. Then just go to wherever you were sitting before, or the like. -
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Thu, August 2, 2007 - 4:15 PMI was invited to be the godfather to my cousin's son. At the time as now I was ferverently pagan. They were Catholic. I told God, when I entered the church, my intentions for being there and any action was done out of respect for my cousin, her husband and my future godson.
If you are worried about the ceremony and pieces of the ritual then I would read a book at the bookstore or call the venue ahead of time. It's ok to fumble or not be completely comfortable. It's part of life. Best of luck.
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Fri, August 3, 2007 - 10:07 AMIf your friend is asking you to partake in her rituals, then I don't believe it would not be disrespectful to do so. I'm sure not every Episcopalian or Pagan would agree, but such is life.
Have you considered at least voicing your concerns to your friend? You can talk about it without making any decisions, maybe she is feeling apprehension about it too.
Your friend obviously wants you there. Be clear in your intentions with whatever you decide to do, and go with that. Don't worry about what anyone else thinks, it's you and your friend that are important here.
And in comment to other posts, I'm actually quite surprised a Catholic church gave communion to someone who isn't Catholic. -
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Fri, August 3, 2007 - 1:37 PMTo clarify, at least for myself -- Neither my husband or I actually took communion, that's what the arm-crossing was about. We approached with arms crossed, were prayed for, and sent on. We didn't partake of the offering at all, because we aren't Catholic. I could've explained better in my post, my apologies. ^_^ -
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Sat, August 4, 2007 - 6:58 AMIt's Episcopalian, which explains the openness :)
I am going, and ready. We have a rehersal this morning first, so I'll go over everything before hand.
Thanks everyone. This woman is a gift to the Divine, no matter what name you use. She has been a gift and an inspiration to our family, and I know she will be such a gift to her parishiners. Blessed be her, on this, her day! I am feeling very blessed to be able to witness this event. -
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Thu, August 16, 2007 - 9:02 PMmy husbands catholic, and I always "just do it" when we go to a catholic ceremony or religious event of any kind, and wouldnt you know, I have never paid attention to the arm positions or specific movements! I really need to start paying attention..and my husband who has amnesia about everything..would say..."I dont know..
However... I am always very excited when I get to attend any religious ceremony of any type...since I am one of those "many roads to one destination" kind of gal.
I always get goose bumps in a church, or any house of worship because I feel the power of the followers.
Sounds like you have a very special friend!
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Tue, August 28, 2007 - 11:25 PMI apologize for being blunt but what are you afraid of ? that Jesus is going to take away your broomstick? Jesus is cool. If you told Jesus about the goddess he'd be like totally thats the mother. and he"d high five you. Its only a ceremony. Personally i think i need all the help i can get so i pray to God the Goddess Jesus and Budah. I hear they're all really great people. -
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Tue, August 28, 2007 - 11:52 PMwell put...I agree Kyle...
all roads etc, from what the christians have written about him, he sounds like he was quite a rightous dude. I always remember the power in ceremony regardless of the faith..its about the people after all.
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Re: Taking Communion?
Wed, August 29, 2007 - 11:34 AMI wasnt afraid of anything. Not quit sure where that came from? I said in my original post that she and I connect on a spiritual level, because it's all the same.
I did take communion from her, and was quite please by the whole day. She shined bright and beautiful, and I was amazed all the way through at how similar our rituals all are :) She has found her home and I could not be more pleased.
I just don't have much in the way of church-y experiance, was a pondering quesion. Not a debate :) -
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Mon, September 10, 2007 - 12:09 PMi apologize if i implied anything insulting. I was simply trying to dually emphasize the point we were all trying to make. IMHO people take the specifics of religions waaay to seriously. when if theyd just try and see what they all have in common i think people would get along better in general.
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