oil paint ontop of acrylic gesso = bad
oil paint ontop of acrylic gesso on top of poor quality canvas = ultra disaster


Theres actually quite an art in just preparing a ground that will enable a painting to last longer than 15 years !
So, why not recreate the method of the old masters, to enable a painting to last that long ? Its only fair on the people who may buy the paintings afterall.

Heres two good resources on this matter :



www.true-gesso-panels.com/
"No painting technique is more anchored in tradition than egg-tempera. Practitioners value reliable materials and methods.
Our goal is to make an uncompromised, affordable gessoed panel available to the egg-tempera artist."


www.alessandrakelley.com/priming.html
good technical info
  • Re: Creating a ground for painting that will last

    Fri, September 21, 2007 - 11:25 PM
    Thanks for sharing...
    in the moment i am working on quite fascinating objects ...
    the climate here in bhutan is disastrous - humid... everything organic gets mouldy and rots away....
    so bhutanese artists have invented polychrome paper clay sculptures....
    you mix paperfibre with clay and let it dry - it is left unburnt...before painting they seal it with hot animal glue - the pigments are also mixed with animal glue.... the sculptures we have in the studio are in amazing good condition....\
    I wonder if you can prepare thin paper clay boards and paint on those....I quite like the idea to paint on "earth".... the technique seems to be wonderful simple...
    xxx
  • Re: Creating a ground for painting that will last

    Sun, September 30, 2007 - 12:59 PM
    Caesin paint is another viable alternative to egg tempera. It is just as time honoured as tempera dating also from the Egyptians, plus it does not go off like eggs do.
    • Re: Creating a ground for painting that will last

      Mon, October 8, 2007 - 4:41 AM
      I was workin with Casein before and the great advantage is that it becomes quite stable... but I found that it is quite difficult to draw fine lines...
      • Re: Creating a ground for painting that will last

        Tue, October 9, 2007 - 1:42 PM
        I've never had any trouble with fine lines in Casein. But then again, how fine are you talking? 000? I'm usually only working to 0 sized brushes.

        I also like that I can get some sort of transparency with Casein.
        • Re: Creating a ground for painting that will last

          Thu, October 11, 2007 - 4:40 AM
          I guess I have to admit - that I am talking about very fine lines (-: - No you are absolutely right - Casein is a wonderful medium to work with - its worth trying - in books by Doerner and Whelte there are the basic recipes (i think both books are on my technical bibliography list on my profile...)
          • Re: Creating a ground for painting that will last

            Fri, October 12, 2007 - 6:07 AM
            Sure, you can mix up the Casein yourself, it is also available off the shelf. I like to spend more time creating than on the prep. I used to strect my own canvases, but I'd much rather purchase them now. Mind you, I still stretch my own large canvases, that is still more cost effective. I do understand where you're coming from, there is a certain self satisfaction with having made all the materials in your work.
            • Re: Creating a ground for painting that will last

              Sun, October 14, 2007 - 7:08 AM
              I am currently prepping some masonite with rabbit size and my own gesso made with rabbit skin size, zinc white and whitening. So far its looking really appealing, its got an extremely smooth, undisturbed surface. With enough sanding it gets like egg-shell. To me I prefer an inflexible surface with neutral texture. The idea that the ground is much less flexible and harder to disturb by punctures, bruises etcseems to make sense to help a paintings life-span. Also in the act of painting itself, sometimes its neccesary to scrub a recent layer off with turps etc, which flexes the canvas and in several years would possibly emerge as an area of cracking.

              However on an earlier experiment when I made the size with too much water, some of the fibres within the aggregate board actually swelled up (like little viens) disturbing the smooth surface. The size is meant to insulate the board/panel from the effects of moisture, but certainly I could anticipate the different rates and reactions of the various wood fibres in the board could result over the long term with an uneven surface developing underneath the painting.
              • Re: Creating a ground for painting that will last

                Thu, January 10, 2008 - 10:21 AM
                Yes I hear you that scrubbing that painting back might disturb the layers beneath... however that would only be if they had dried. Oil takes some months to dry, and so remains flexible for some time.

                I too have painted on board, and do like it as a surface to work on, and find the results very different from canvas, and very pleasing. It comes down to a personal preference. Boards are heavier than canvas, but also much more fragile. A knock to a canvas might result in a dint, that usually returns to place in time, whereas the same accident to a board would mean damage to the surface of the painting because of its inability to flex.

                Board if prepared properly is durable for an extremely long period of time. There are fine examples to Greco-Egyptian mummy cases painted with egg tempra that have withstood over two thousand years. Painting on canvas is a relatively "new" innovation.

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