The following email is intended to be a useful summary, backstory, and presentation of potential next steps for the interested parties for Fire Performance in this town...
Portland Fire Department
Portland Parks Department
Commissioner Dan Saltzman's Office
Fire Performers
Venue Owners
The Past:
Nearly every skilled fire performer in this town has played with fire on the Eastbank Esplanade in the last 8 years. But think, for a moment, of who was there when you _weren't_ there. IT had long been a great amateur night, however as things got more dangerous/popular, skilled and safe performers stopped going. It was the drums, or the crowd, or the hours, or the risk of losing one's insurance by association, or the total lack of safety.
For whatever reason, the event lost the support and efforts of those most integral to the fire performance community in this town. And yet it continued. From once a month, to twice a month, to every single week. A massive drum circle formed the heart of the activity, with fire jam an unregulated off-shoot from that. This event went undisturbed through the summer of 2007, and through the winter of 2008, with many believing that nothing would ever change.
The Present:
Currently in this town, a performer wishing to perform in a COMMERCIAL building or property needs to get permission from the property management/owner, and then go to the Fire Department for a free "pinkie permit" which says that they have read the C-7s and that the location has been inspected by the Fire Department. Spinning without a pinkie permit in any non-residential setting is grounds for a $500 fine from the fire permit (including those peeps at Last Thursday), as is spinning in violation of the C-7 guidelines (such as spinning with gasoline).
Approximately 6 weeks ago, conversation erupted on several fire lists at once: PDX-Poi, Portland-Oregon Fire Artists Tribe, Oregon Conclave, perhaps others. One persons concern about the flagrant disregard for basic fire and safety was echoed by many, many performers. Many professed distaste for the current Eastbank Esplanade, and expressed the opinion that they hoped it wouldn't affect fire performance around the city.
Well, now it has.
A meeting was called, hosted at Watershed in the SE of Portland, that was attended by
- Ang
- Deb
- Eric
- dlb (myself)
- Steve
- Alan
Our greatest fear at the time was the Fire Department, not the Parks Department. We feared that if the fire department discovered the lack of extinguishers, wet towels, buckets of water, perimeter, safe fuel dumps, and use of illegal fuels, they would gain the impression that fire performance in this town was being run like that in general.
We pledged to be down there for 8 weeks minimum. We met at 6pm each Sunday, brought all necessary fire safety gear and flags/caution tape, our most controversial insertion. After five weeks, the grumbling and anger from the drummers, from fire performers indignant at the change had mostly died away. Things seemed to be moving towards a safe, sustainable spin jam. Other performers began joining the list of fire safety people talking about this topic:
Randy
Samhain
River
etc.
In the background, the wheels of the bureaucracy had already begun turning. The Fire Marshall's office, which has at least some awareness of the conversations that take place in the fire performance community, called Mark Warrington, the head of Parks. Mark Warrington sent down Officer Rob Pickett, who took the names and phone numbers of the Fire Safety team, that first week.
That was the FIRST WEEK the fire safety team had ever been down there, and we congratulated ourselves that the police had left content that safety was being upheld.
Officer Rob Pickett passed the note to Mark Warrington, Director of Parks, who called Steve on April 7th. Steve passed the contact info for Ang, who arranged a meeting with the parks for April 25th, 2007. We believed that the meeting was to demonstrated that we were keeping the event safe by fire safety standards, and to ask for assistance in dealing with the alcohol issue. We also wanted the fire and parks department to back us up on the specifics of how we were keeping the 10’ perimeter called for by the C-7 using flags/caution tape on Parks Property.
The Meeting:
Yesterday’s meeting had the following attendees:
Parks Department:
Mark Warrington – Director
Cary Coker – Permitting
Barbara Aguon – Safety
Kita Xayachack – Permit Center
Marge White -
Fire Department –
Kari Schimel – Senior Inspector
Jerry Alvarez – Special Event Permitting
Michel Coefield – Special Events
Fire Safety Crew –
Alan Placido
Ben Grad (deadletter b)
Eric Bagai
Steve Burger
Debra Lyn Ochoa
Angela Capello
Independent Fire Performers –
Randy Scheless
While the meeting does deserve its own post, let me summarize briefly here:
Two years ago, the PP&R (Portland Parks and Rec) could have come in, nodded at the current fire safety setup, and asked the Portland Police Department (PPD) to regulate the drinking. If necessary, they could have provided the PFD with written permission to use the property in order that Fire Performers could have individual pinkie permits, meaning that those without permits could be pressured into either not spinning or adopting basic fire and safety standards.
Now, with the “no open flame “ rule, they cannot selectively enforce. The presence of the ubiquitous drinking and partying is to be stopped. Unfortunately, the PP&R feel that they cannot enforce that rule without enforcing the “no open flames rule”.
As of Sunday, we have been told that the PFD, PP&R and PPD will be down to enforce the No Open Flame rule, and to ticket/expel people from the park for drinking.
This means that the DRUM circle can go on. If it doesn’t drink. And if it’s main adherents aren’t expelled for drinking. The Fire Jam aspect is done. For Now.
PP&R reactions in other parks:
Now that the PP&R has become aware of the problem, fire performers in other parks need to be aware that they are breaking the following regs:
1) No Open Flames
2) Performing without a Pinkie Permit, which cannot be obtained for a public park.
The risk for the former is a ticket or expulsion for a year (probably a warning or a desist). The risk for the latter is a $500 fine per person from the PFD (probably a warning or a desist).
Portland Fire Department Reactions:
Jerry Alvarez and Kari Coleman said that it is time to have a more comprehensive permitting system for fire performers. The days of no regs or a Pinkie Permit are nearing an end! I believe that we should grasp this process by the horns and turn it to our advantage. It is not a given that a more comprehensive permitting system (yearly permits by location, individual or troupe) need cost money – they would instead involve a few hours of class in spotting, fuels and regs, and appropriate fire tool composition (no cotton, no wires, etc).
THE FUTURE:
Here’s what we’re going to do: I spent the morning in Commissioner Sam Adams and, more importantly, Commissioner Dan Saltzman’s (parks and rec commissioner) talking about the issue. I would have visted with the Fire Commissioner, however that is currently vacant awaiting the special election. I will attempt to get this email to the two main candidates, Jim Maddaugh and Nick Fish.
The plan would be to have the “Open Flame” rule amended in the following manner:
20.12.110 Fires, Fireworks and Smoking Prohibited.
A. No person shall light any fire in any Park, except in areas and/or facilities designated by the Director for such use and in conformance with all applicable laws. This Section does not prohibit lighting cigarettes, cigars or pipes in areas where smoking is permitted.
B. No person shall possess or ignite any fireworks in any Park, where such possession or use is unlawful under State law. No person shall possess or ignite any otherwise legal fireworks in any of the following Parks, without a permit:
1. Pioneer Courthouse Square;
2. O’Bryant Square;
3. Lownsdale Square;
4. Forecourt/Ira Keller Fountain;
5. Ankeny Square;
6. Classical ChineseGarden;
7. Block 5 Park (Moyer);
8. Eastbank Esplanade;
9. HolladayPark;
10. Any nature park or area designated as a natural area;\
11. Any other Park or Park area designated by the Director.
C. No person shall light or smoke any tobacco products within twenty-five (25) feet of any play structure, picnic table or designated children’s play area, or in an area under permit where prohibited by the permit holder, or in any other place in any Park where smoking is prohibited by the Director.
PROPOSED: (there are other ways to change this, as well, such as ONLY designated the Eastbank Esplanade)
D. Individuals with a yearly permit on file with the Portland Fire Department in their own name are permitted to juggle, perform with, and practice fire performance on PP& R property according to the following guidelines:
1. All c-7 guidelines are followed, especially
i. use of appropriate fuels\
ii. 10’ perimeter maintained between active fire performers and any audience, spectators or passerby
iii. Fire safety personnel present, even if no passerby present
2. No fire performance or fire breathing within 25’ of wooden restrooms, play structures, picnic table, or shelter.
3. Fire performers, perimeter or other setup will maintain a minimum 8’ of passage for the public on public walks and right-of-ways.
Again, if the Open Flames ordinance were amended, the drinking could leave, and the drummers and safe fire performers could stay.
This conversation continued on tribes.tribe.net/PDXFIREJAM
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Dead Letter: You've Got A Friend In Noise
Portland Fire Department
Portland Parks Department
Commissioner Dan Saltzman's Office
Fire Performers
Venue Owners
The Past:
Nearly every skilled fire performer in this town has played with fire on the Eastbank Esplanade in the last 8 years. But think, for a moment, of who was there when you _weren't_ there. IT had long been a great amateur night, however as things got more dangerous/popular, skilled and safe performers stopped going. It was the drums, or the crowd, or the hours, or the risk of losing one's insurance by association, or the total lack of safety.
For whatever reason, the event lost the support and efforts of those most integral to the fire performance community in this town. And yet it continued. From once a month, to twice a month, to every single week. A massive drum circle formed the heart of the activity, with fire jam an unregulated off-shoot from that. This event went undisturbed through the summer of 2007, and through the winter of 2008, with many believing that nothing would ever change.
The Present:
Currently in this town, a performer wishing to perform in a COMMERCIAL building or property needs to get permission from the property management/owner, and then go to the Fire Department for a free "pinkie permit" which says that they have read the C-7s and that the location has been inspected by the Fire Department. Spinning without a pinkie permit in any non-residential setting is grounds for a $500 fine from the fire permit (including those peeps at Last Thursday), as is spinning in violation of the C-7 guidelines (such as spinning with gasoline).
Approximately 6 weeks ago, conversation erupted on several fire lists at once: PDX-Poi, Portland-Oregon Fire Artists Tribe, Oregon Conclave, perhaps others. One persons concern about the flagrant disregard for basic fire and safety was echoed by many, many performers. Many professed distaste for the current Eastbank Esplanade, and expressed the opinion that they hoped it wouldn't affect fire performance around the city.
Well, now it has.
A meeting was called, hosted at Watershed in the SE of Portland, that was attended by
- Ang
- Deb
- Eric
- dlb (myself)
- Steve
- Alan
Our greatest fear at the time was the Fire Department, not the Parks Department. We feared that if the fire department discovered the lack of extinguishers, wet towels, buckets of water, perimeter, safe fuel dumps, and use of illegal fuels, they would gain the impression that fire performance in this town was being run like that in general.
We pledged to be down there for 8 weeks minimum. We met at 6pm each Sunday, brought all necessary fire safety gear and flags/caution tape, our most controversial insertion. After five weeks, the grumbling and anger from the drummers, from fire performers indignant at the change had mostly died away. Things seemed to be moving towards a safe, sustainable spin jam. Other performers began joining the list of fire safety people talking about this topic:
Randy
Samhain
River
etc.
In the background, the wheels of the bureaucracy had already begun turning. The Fire Marshall's office, which has at least some awareness of the conversations that take place in the fire performance community, called Mark Warrington, the head of Parks. Mark Warrington sent down Officer Rob Pickett, who took the names and phone numbers of the Fire Safety team, that first week.
That was the FIRST WEEK the fire safety team had ever been down there, and we congratulated ourselves that the police had left content that safety was being upheld.
Officer Rob Pickett passed the note to Mark Warrington, Director of Parks, who called Steve on April 7th. Steve passed the contact info for Ang, who arranged a meeting with the parks for April 25th, 2007. We believed that the meeting was to demonstrated that we were keeping the event safe by fire safety standards, and to ask for assistance in dealing with the alcohol issue. We also wanted the fire and parks department to back us up on the specifics of how we were keeping the 10’ perimeter called for by the C-7 using flags/caution tape on Parks Property.
The Meeting:
Yesterday’s meeting had the following attendees:
Parks Department:
Mark Warrington – Director
Cary Coker – Permitting
Barbara Aguon – Safety
Kita Xayachack – Permit Center
Marge White -
Fire Department –
Kari Schimel – Senior Inspector
Jerry Alvarez – Special Event Permitting
Michel Coefield – Special Events
Fire Safety Crew –
Alan Placido
Ben Grad (deadletter b)
Eric Bagai
Steve Burger
Debra Lyn Ochoa
Angela Capello
Independent Fire Performers –
Randy Scheless
While the meeting does deserve its own post, let me summarize briefly here:
Two years ago, the PP&R (Portland Parks and Rec) could have come in, nodded at the current fire safety setup, and asked the Portland Police Department (PPD) to regulate the drinking. If necessary, they could have provided the PFD with written permission to use the property in order that Fire Performers could have individual pinkie permits, meaning that those without permits could be pressured into either not spinning or adopting basic fire and safety standards.
Now, with the “no open flame “ rule, they cannot selectively enforce. The presence of the ubiquitous drinking and partying is to be stopped. Unfortunately, the PP&R feel that they cannot enforce that rule without enforcing the “no open flames rule”.
As of Sunday, we have been told that the PFD, PP&R and PPD will be down to enforce the No Open Flame rule, and to ticket/expel people from the park for drinking.
This means that the DRUM circle can go on. If it doesn’t drink. And if it’s main adherents aren’t expelled for drinking. The Fire Jam aspect is done. For Now.
PP&R reactions in other parks:
Now that the PP&R has become aware of the problem, fire performers in other parks need to be aware that they are breaking the following regs:
1) No Open Flames
2) Performing without a Pinkie Permit, which cannot be obtained for a public park.
The risk for the former is a ticket or expulsion for a year (probably a warning or a desist). The risk for the latter is a $500 fine per person from the PFD (probably a warning or a desist).
Portland Fire Department Reactions:
Jerry Alvarez and Kari Coleman said that it is time to have a more comprehensive permitting system for fire performers. The days of no regs or a Pinkie Permit are nearing an end! I believe that we should grasp this process by the horns and turn it to our advantage. It is not a given that a more comprehensive permitting system (yearly permits by location, individual or troupe) need cost money – they would instead involve a few hours of class in spotting, fuels and regs, and appropriate fire tool composition (no cotton, no wires, etc).
THE FUTURE:
Here’s what we’re going to do: I spent the morning in Commissioner Sam Adams and, more importantly, Commissioner Dan Saltzman’s (parks and rec commissioner) talking about the issue. I would have visted with the Fire Commissioner, however that is currently vacant awaiting the special election. I will attempt to get this email to the two main candidates, Jim Maddaugh and Nick Fish.
The plan would be to have the “Open Flame” rule amended in the following manner:
20.12.110 Fires, Fireworks and Smoking Prohibited.
A. No person shall light any fire in any Park, except in areas and/or facilities designated by the Director for such use and in conformance with all applicable laws. This Section does not prohibit lighting cigarettes, cigars or pipes in areas where smoking is permitted.
B. No person shall possess or ignite any fireworks in any Park, where such possession or use is unlawful under State law. No person shall possess or ignite any otherwise legal fireworks in any of the following Parks, without a permit:
1. Pioneer Courthouse Square;
2. O’Bryant Square;
3. Lownsdale Square;
4. Forecourt/Ira Keller Fountain;
5. Ankeny Square;
6. Classical ChineseGarden;
7. Block 5 Park (Moyer);
8. Eastbank Esplanade;
9. HolladayPark;
10. Any nature park or area designated as a natural area;\
11. Any other Park or Park area designated by the Director.
C. No person shall light or smoke any tobacco products within twenty-five (25) feet of any play structure, picnic table or designated children’s play area, or in an area under permit where prohibited by the permit holder, or in any other place in any Park where smoking is prohibited by the Director.
PROPOSED: (there are other ways to change this, as well, such as ONLY designated the Eastbank Esplanade)
D. Individuals with a yearly permit on file with the Portland Fire Department in their own name are permitted to juggle, perform with, and practice fire performance on PP& R property according to the following guidelines:
1. All c-7 guidelines are followed, especially
i. use of appropriate fuels\
ii. 10’ perimeter maintained between active fire performers and any audience, spectators or passerby
iii. Fire safety personnel present, even if no passerby present
2. No fire performance or fire breathing within 25’ of wooden restrooms, play structures, picnic table, or shelter.
3. Fire performers, perimeter or other setup will maintain a minimum 8’ of passage for the public on public walks and right-of-ways.
Again, if the Open Flames ordinance were amended, the drinking could leave, and the drummers and safe fire performers could stay.
This conversation continued on tribes.tribe.net/PDXFIREJAM
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Dead Letter: You've Got A Friend In Noise
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Re: The Past, the Present, and the Future of Fire Performance in PDX
Fri, April 25, 2008 - 6:22 PMIs there somewhere I can keep an eye out for future meetings?
I know I came in a little late and my new job has been preventing me from being able to show up the last several Sundays, but if something is going on that could possibly be changing the face of fire performance in Portland as we know it, I think it only right that anyone interested be able to attend these meetings and if not have a voice, at least hear first hand what the authorities are saying.
I don't honestly know if I would have made it, but it is just kind of offensive to come here and see there was this major meeting that affects everyone that works with fire, and hear of it after the fact.
I mean no offense, and I am sure you guys are fighting the best fight there is to fight, but it still just seems kind of offensive. -
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Re: The Past, the Present, and the Future of Fire Performance in PDX
Fri, April 25, 2008 - 6:31 PMI think at this point a meeting needs to be called for those interested in talking about this... the only other meeting I know of is with the Oregonian reporter that I posted about here: tribes.tribe.net/pdxfireja...1fca841fe7
Anyone want to speak up with a when where and what time?
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Re: The Past, the Present, and the Future of Fire Performance in PDX
Fri, April 25, 2008 - 6:33 PMIt was not expected that this parks department meeting would have quite the ramifications it did.
1) The parks department's inflexible position on the Open Flames policy and their (new) potential extension to all parks - SURPRISE!
2) The fire department's suggestions in that meeting that we institute a permitting system - SURPRISE!
We thought we were there to say, "hey, we've taken care of the fire safety issue, now please help us with more trash cans and by ticketing a few drinkers".
Therefore we will definitely need to host a few all city meetings to grasp these changes by the horns. Shireen said she's out of town till mid-may, so let's plan for a May/June AllCall for fire performers to discuss potential changes in the permitting structure of the city.
And I would point out that you KNEW something was going on that could possibly be changing the face of fire performance: Massively Unregulated and Unsafe Fire Performance Weekly At The Eastbank Esplanade. No Surprise There.
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Re: The Past, the Present, and the Future of Fire Performance in PDX
Fri, April 25, 2008 - 7:14 PMActually I didn't really, that first week where I showed up early, was my first time to one of the bridge burns.
The fact that the police officer showed his presence to the first bridge burn I went to did press into my mind how things had been going so I had no problem with the safety stuff and even enforcing the boundaries here and there as I could.
Now that I know that the ramifications of the meetings weren't exactly what was expected does make it a lot less offensive. I apologize, I was under the impression that it was otherwise.
But even though I am rather new to the scene, I don't intend on going away any time soon and would like to be a part of the changes of my new choice in hobby/lifestyle as much as my work permits since I do intend to be around for a while. -
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Re: The Past, the Present, and the Future of Fire Performance in PDX
Fri, April 25, 2008 - 7:36 PMOkay, fair enough. I had thought you were one of the people who had washed their hands of the bridge burn, and so that was an unfair assumption of me to make.
So... March 18th at the shed (see other thread re: times/location)?
And we can hammer out what WE would like to see, show some fire safety/NON safety video, and have a spinjam. -
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Re: The Past, the Present, and the Future of Fire Performance in PDX
Fri, April 25, 2008 - 8:00 PMSometimes trying to help does more harm than help. Sounds like we were better off before we started calling around telling people that things are out of hand at our illegal gathering of fire performers and asked for advice.... -
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Re: The Past, the Present, and the Future of Fire Performance in PDX
Fri, April 25, 2008 - 9:19 PMThey were simultaneous, rather than connected. The fire department and parks department was moving on a parallel pathway, and no amount of fixing on our side was going to handle the open flames/no drinking issue.
Rather, someone called the fire department b/c it was out of hand, even as the fire community also became aware it was out of hand. -
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Re: The Past, the Present, and the Future of Fire Performance in PDX
Fri, April 25, 2008 - 10:07 PMBAH! ok... thats it Im with the flame thrower idea
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Re: The Past, the Present, and the Future of Fire Performance in PDX
Sun, April 27, 2008 - 1:03 PMI posted a more detailed post in your thread about the meeting for the 18th but I think setting up a petition people can sign would help this cause out.