I think I'm going to go down to the Fireless Jam on Sunday... to collect more emails in the growing list of fire peeps and supporters for the PDX Fire Jam.
What's the thoughts on continuing to use it as a practice/play/recreation without actually lighting up? Show the parks we're committed. My idea would then be to talk to any one with fuel about what's going on, get their contact, give them a C7 and invite them to the May 18th meeting and direct them to this tribe. At that point I can't stop anyone from their choices. I would think that if some one did light up, I would put my fire toys away and stop spinning. What kinda of effect do you think this would have?
Anyone want to come out and play with me? Help the effort? Thoughts on this direction? expression?
What's the thoughts on continuing to use it as a practice/play/recreation without actually lighting up? Show the parks we're committed. My idea would then be to talk to any one with fuel about what's going on, get their contact, give them a C7 and invite them to the May 18th meeting and direct them to this tribe. At that point I can't stop anyone from their choices. I would think that if some one did light up, I would put my fire toys away and stop spinning. What kinda of effect do you think this would have?
Anyone want to come out and play with me? Help the effort? Thoughts on this direction? expression?
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Re: May 4th
Thu, May 1, 2008 - 2:52 PMIt's too quick... My thought is that you NOT take any fire toys down there. Take glowies if you must. Otherwise, I advocate entirely leaving it alone for about four weeks to see what, if any, self-regulation the OTHER group of people can have.
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Re: May 4th
Fri, May 2, 2008 - 11:46 AMFor now, err on the side of caution is probably the best approach. The impression from the pow-wow with the city was that they (the people from the city's side of the table) had pretty much made up their agenda before we came. Our admissions about the amateur night aspect, the lack of resourses to control public intoxication, and lack of financial liability only made their decision easier. My guess is that they are measuring the event in its current state to decide what needs to be controlled and what needs to be shut down. The city department managers are, for lack of a better term, bureaucrats. They don't want anarchistic events jeopardizing their careers but they also don't want to create a spectacle in shutting it down.
The interests of the fire arts community is like a canoe on the Willamette, and the city's interests are like a big ship. Let's give them a very wide berth. Collect e-mails yes, network, yes, but keep the fire gear on the down low. Keep the canoe out of the path of big ships. -
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Re: May 4th
Fri, May 2, 2008 - 12:07 PMTo reiterate what I think Alan is saying, I see the current event as 'on probation' which would therefore behoove us to not be a associated with. Either they'll regulate themselves, or they won't. Either the city will feel they've regulated themselves, or they won't.
In the meantime, how about a DIFFERENT BRIDGE! Seriously, how about west side under morrison or burnside? They both have, i think, large pavement areas under the bridge, with nifty walking traffic, as well.
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Re: May 4th
Fri, May 2, 2008 - 12:46 PMThanks, I just wanted more conversation around some of these things... what can be done right now... pros and cons of actions and what should be supported even through this time of fireless fire jam. I guess I'm just trying to find ways to show Parks/Fire/city that we're committed.... plus I think it creates a hole for those left at the fire jam not knowing what's going on or where to turn... to me it creates division instead of pulling the community together, to just walk away (the reason why I started volunteering in the first place).
I have LED gear, but personally don't want to support or start that in replacement for not being able to do fire.
To tell the truth, I could use my time 10 times over doing other things.
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Re: May 4th
Fri, May 2, 2008 - 12:52 PMHow bout a park?
Most of Vancouver's parks do not have no open flame rule.
The park that I use is in a secluded area, its well watered with large open fields, fire friendly neighborers.
I have been juggling there for the last two years with out any problems.
If you prefer pavement there is always the parking lot.
Here is the google map location.
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Re: May 4th
Sat, May 3, 2008 - 6:52 PMproblem with that is, how do people that are bus riders get to Vancouver? -
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Re: May 4th
Sat, May 3, 2008 - 10:23 PMWhat about Beaverton or even *hiss* Gresham do they have open flame laws? Both are on the max line. -
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Re: May 4th
Tue, May 6, 2008 - 9:15 AMso what happened on Sunday? Anyone know? -
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Re: May 4th
Tue, May 6, 2008 - 9:59 AMI don't know much... just that Draydon called me and said that Parks were there again shutting it down.
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Re: May 4th
Thu, May 8, 2008 - 9:41 PMI was there drumming. It was somewhat subdued. Some faces were missing. There was a talent deficit. Some people did fireless spinning. As a drummer, I am happy just to see people there. I like seeing people dancing. I prefer having fire people there, bacause it is the spinners that most onlookers come to see. I wish people would spin with any kind of light. I think that programmed LEDs that change patterns based on motion and speed would look real cool. I predict that will be a future offshoot of fire spinning. Spin-sticks will have computers built into them. Hey, you could knock out a few emails 'tween spins!
Anyway, the drummers were well behaved. There didn't seem to be any poiice hanging out.
The police, overall, have been very cool. They are our blue-collar brothers.
Also, people have a right to drink, as long as they aren't fools. Sure, signs are posted, blah, blah; but the fact is, i work for a living, even though i don't want to, and if I want to come down and drum and (discreetly) consume beer, that is my right. AND, charging for parking
on a Sunday is bullcrap. What would Jesus say?
Portland is the best town in amerika, but WE Must Resist the capitalist-fascist overlords who don't like the type of people who do drum circles, etc. We represent freedom of mind and body, and Big Brother is made nervous by this.
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Re: May 4th
Thu, May 8, 2008 - 10:46 PMI think viewing us as having a 'right' to drink is what led us to this impasse. It's a privilege to spin, and if the drinking, which equals liability for the parks, can't be curtailed, then there can't be fire.
If you, as a drummer, insist that drinking is a 'right', then that's the dead-end right there.
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