Sunday, March 23
7:30 PM - 9 PM
Watershed
Discussion:
Introductions
Overview of what people believe the problems are
What do we want as a community
How might we go about resolving the situation/issues
How are we each willing to offer support
Everyone is invited. Please know that by attending you are not committing to participating or being involved in any way. Your input is encouraged and we want everyone to feel comfortable speaking up and offering their unique view.
Debra
7:30 PM - 9 PM
Watershed
Discussion:
Introductions
Overview of what people believe the problems are
What do we want as a community
How might we go about resolving the situation/issues
How are we each willing to offer support
Everyone is invited. Please know that by attending you are not committing to participating or being involved in any way. Your input is encouraged and we want everyone to feel comfortable speaking up and offering their unique view.
Debra
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Fri, March 21, 2008 - 1:14 PMWatershed
5040 SE Milwaukie
Portland 97202
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Tue, March 25, 2008 - 8:58 AMDeadletter was going to be posting what we discussed at this meeting (so maybe he'll follow up with more).
I'd like to get some chatter on it...
We talked about setting up the environment, taping and marking off areas before people start to get there, directing them where to put fuel, where to sit, and where to get into rotation to spin.
Connecting with people and passing out the C7 guidelines.
We also talked about performers writing their name in chalk for a rough 'line-up' and then as each person went through to spin they'd be asked if they have a safety and if not would they like one of us to do safety for them... and then asking them to step in to safety after they have spun. People doing safety and not just a single rotation will be wearing arm bands (Eric brought red felt ones, but I also have orange reflective ones if they are better to see).
We talked about being able to mark on the ground an area for people's personal fuel, and also a clearly marked community dip bucket within the fuel area.
Of course we'll have at least one safety kit that will be passed off from the early shift to the people staying later... to be returned and cycled for the next week.
Theres more I'm forgetting...
But I think what's important to making any structure work is to have people to model it... which I'm hoping people will come and support.
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Tue, March 25, 2008 - 5:34 PMThose are great ideas ... I'd love to hear more about what the plans are ... I'll be more than happy to help out in what ways I may be able to. -
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Tue, March 25, 2008 - 6:04 PMsorry sorry sorry, in a meeting. Then will happen.
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Tue, March 25, 2008 - 9:27 PMMeeting was held at Watershed on Sunday, March 25th.
Attending:
deadletter b
Alan
Ang
Eric
Deb
Steve
This conversation was primarily focused on how to root hack the Sunday Fire Jam, which has become so regular and unregulated as to threaten it's own existence, and to potentially invite a backlash from the PFD against _all_ fire performers.
#1) Layout
#2) Human Management Issues
#3) Roles
#4) Materials Needs: The Kit
#5) This Sunday and Eight Sundays After
#1) Layout
The layout issues began with the following data points to either be accepted, changed or ignored:
a) Homeless are now numbering approximately 15 people, on the North side under the bridge. While it is likely that this homeless camp will be disrupted by police, within the next three months it is likely to be a constant presence.
b) The audience are now taking on a West presence.
c) the fuel station has been near the posts
d) audience are walking through the fire space without much concern
e) fuel dump is massive and unregulated
f) performers feel 'hemmed in' on all sides.
Solution:
a) Fuel dump moves to a chalked off, fire-safety'd area at the East side of the porto-potty. This is away from the homeless area
b) Caution tape directs people walking from the East entrance.
c) NO travel along the homeless side - that is theirs to keep.
d) Audience therefore walks along the parking lot side, only, and peformers can entrance into the peformance space and back with a decent and open travel
e) Redo the fuel dump to allow for a common bucket and for individuals to have their own private IF they need it.
f) The audience will then be from the East side of the porto-potties around to the benches. Drummers perhaps on the stone tiers?
g) Fire Safeties will be i) North next to one of the pillars, ii) near the East side of the port-o-potties, and iii) back towards the fuel dump
2) Human Management Issues
a) Audience will be corralled around, and a large no-man's land for fire-safety will be marked on the ground between the fire performer area and the audience. Approximately 8' wide demarcation.
b) caution tape at the north end and quick response for people trying to either walk along the pillars (who are not camping homeless) or through.
c) <b>embracing any who are there as potential allies was a big part of the conversation. Not framing it oppositionally.</b>
d) When a person comes up to peform, we'll ask "who is your safety?" and encourage them to draft a friend.
e) Rotate people through safety after they perform, with requests not orders
f) <b> Chalk a list on the ground. </b>
i) performer 1 | tools | safety 1 | performer 2 | tools | safety 2 |performer 3 | tools | safety 3
This provides the simple function of letting people know when they are up, who is coming next, and helping to grab someone to safety for them. Also, a person who WANTS to go alone could simply color in the spots next to them, otherwise encourages collegiality.
3) Roles
Ang and Ben have committed to doing the early shift for the next eight weeks. We'll show up at 6pm, and do all physical setup for the event. We'll be leaving at relatively early hours (9pmish) and the late crew will get us back the Kit.
Currently, Eric and Alan talked about being able to stay till late.
We'll be trying to take a 'passive safety' role on the event in general while drafting performers and their friends to take on fire safety shifts for each person who is actually up.
The late shift has an interesting role. In packing up the kit and taking away fire safety kit, will this begin to be a signal that the event is over? To make this true, the late crew would need to be willing to stay all the way through for a few weeks to set a precedent/imprint the end of the event as being congruent with the absence of the fire safety materials.
Roles during the evening to draft people into:
a) watching over the fuel dump
b) passive safety
c) active safeties
d) interfacing with people who attempt to cross caution tape or no-man's-land
e) police/fire liaison (designated, hopefully unused).
4) Material Needs: The Kit
a) 5 gallon bucket in which empty paint bucket for dipping (no overspill)
b) 5 gallon bucket for cooling burns
c) 2 gallons of water
d) orange cones
e) caution tape
f) fire extinguisher, water based
g) duct tape for the markings on the ground
h) a few glow sticks
i) white towels
j) black duvetyne
k) c7 handouts
l) fire safety zine
m) cds of some great fire performances we have... (do we still have all this? lost a lot of footage)
What have I forgotten?
5) This Sunday and the next eight sundays...
We'll be meeting at the Shed about 5:45 to get ready to go over there (Ang and I) if anyone wants to meet us here. Otherwise, meet us over under the bridge when you like. If some people could commit to being late late stayers, we'll probably have enough people/labor/talent for the first half of the evening.
We felt there was only going to be an effective transformation if we were consistent and thorough for a period of several months straight, and since the event seems to be happening every week, we figured we'd better do every week as well. So come on out and help us get this done!
Main conversations about this topic being held at tribes.tribe.net/pdxfirejam
deadletter b
deadletter (at) speakeasy (dot) net
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Tue, March 25, 2008 - 10:09 PMThanks so much for writing this all up! well said! -
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Wed, March 26, 2008 - 4:09 PMThis all sounds great! :-) Sorry I could not make it to the meeting... the restaurant I am working for is in trouble and I have been working my little but off and I was really sick on top of it and needed a day to recover. Anyhow I Hope to make it early next Sunday and hope to stay till the end and help out :-)
Thanx,
Tony
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Wed, March 26, 2008 - 10:10 PMOne correction: I can't stay at all, let alone stay late. Sorry about that. Maybe later in the year.
I will bring C7s, signage, and duct tape to the Watershed every Sunday at 5:45, and drive anyone needing it to the bridge at 6. Then I must leave.
I'll have more copies of the safety zine when I update and rewrite it for spinners rather than jugglers. Soon, I hope.
I'll check with Alan or whomever each week to see what replacement supplies are needed.
Good meeting! Good social engineering! Nice trick memory!
A THOUGHT on what to call the krewe that regularly sticks around to do this stuff and thereby saves the Sunday jam from itself: FIRE FAIRIES. Big block letters, just like FIRE DEPT.
A t-shirt with "FIRE FAIRY" on it will be noticed. A sign or two could be hung saying "DON'T FUCK WITH THE FIRE FAIRIES!"
This establishes authority and identifies krewe leadership without the usual ego issues and "I'm in charge here!" nonesense. No gender preference or discrimination is intended.
Motto: We put you out, good!
If it all works, people will WANT to be Fire Faries, and they'll gladly earn it through service and study.
Now everybody clap their hands if they really believe.
[[=please contact me by e-mail or phone -- not through messages here -- I get to Tribe maybe once a week=]]
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Wed, March 26, 2008 - 10:22 PMOkay, gotcha. Thinking about t-shirts. Was simply going to do generic "Fire Safety" t-shirts so that all sorts of crews in all sorts of troupes would want to buy them, as a fundraiser for Tool Shed.
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Wed, March 26, 2008 - 11:00 PM"Fire Safety" sounds distinctly authoritarian to some, and asks to be challenged.
Why set yourself up for opposition when you can get a smile instead?
For the last protest march I helped coordinate, the official name of the monitors was "March Moms." This was particularly useful after earlier events where some of the BBlock started calling them March Goons.
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Thu, March 27, 2008 - 10:09 AMWell, for that, it's more an idea for troupes than for this, and wanting to only make one screen. Troupes need to be able to identify to their audience which members of the audience, all dressed in black, are actually working for the show.
This is where the fundamental difference between a spin jam and a show come out. In Seattle for Spinergy around December, we were at a show where an aisle had to be cleared through the audience to get performers in or out. Having a simple black shirt saying 'fire safety' probably saved our ass when I saw Matt running from the stage with a massive hot tool - no flames to warn the audience. I cleared an aisle (he didn't know I was ahead of him) so that just as he reached the big crowd, they parted and let him through, smooth as pie.
for this event, fire fairies would certainly be more fun!
Someone pick a font and email me the text, eh? I hate picking fonts. -
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Thu, March 27, 2008 - 12:29 PMHmm...fire fairies sounds so San Francisco. I wonder what the Marines would say if they could see me now?
And Fire Safety is too authoritarian?
How about Fire Gestapo?
Fire Authoritarians?
Fire Exceedingly Bad-Ass Confrontational Types?
How 'bout we go off-beat and political?
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Fri, March 28, 2008 - 12:22 AMI don't remember ever talking about t shirts or crew names... we did say something about the armbands as a way to have contacts for people to be directed to. These could stay with the kit, brought to the Sunday fire jams, and maybe lent out (with the kit) if needed. They can be easily put on and transferred between volunteers. I kinda feel that t shirts and the screen print of Fire Safety sets those with t shirts apart... it's a good idea for performances, but for a community event I'm not sure it's the place. -
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Fri, March 28, 2008 - 9:26 AMOh yeah, none of that would be ready in a week anyway, simply thinking long term about providing infrastructure in order to support the Fire Safety role in general, for all troupes.
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Fri, March 28, 2008 - 9:43 AMSo, i should be able to do late shift this sunday. I need to drive my kids back to Olympia and will probably get back at nine or ten or so....
I'm glad folks are putting energy into this....
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Fri, March 28, 2008 - 11:05 AMAll of those would be good, and duct tape too!
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Fri, March 28, 2008 - 11:13 AMI have caution tape duct tape!
and I'll bring some stuff I can donate to a group 'kit' but I will also have my own safety stuff.
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Sun, March 30, 2008 - 4:13 PMFire Faries & Marines? I wuz one once. Well, I wuz both once, but I'm out of practice.
Yes, it is very SF. Also, still authoritarian despite the cuteness. So why not drop it?
We don' need no stinkin' cute names!
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Sun, March 30, 2008 - 2:01 PMJust out of curiosity, if someone can't see a shirt that says, "Fire safety" without feeling like they need to challenge them, is that someone that should really be working with or around fire?
To me, if you take away any semblance of authoritative value, then yes, they won't really be challenged, but will they be co-operated with since every attempt at creating them as an authority type has been removed?
Without some form of authority, then there is no obedience, unless the person you are interacting with is just a nice person with common sense, but if everyone was a nice person with common sense, there would be no need for anyone to keep them out of the performance area.
Even the "Fire Faerie" idea is authoritative, the shirt itself does not imply any authority, but then you throw up the "Don't fuck with the fire faeries.", now you are showing that indeed they are a type of authority figure, even though their shirt has a silly name.
Therefore, would not the person that would challenge the "Fire Safety" shirt, also challenge the "Fire Fairy" shirts?
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Sun, March 30, 2008 - 3:19 PMHey, who knows where the red arm bands went. Do I have them here anywhere?
John is going to show up around 5pm to ask questions, Ang and I said we'd be meeting about 5:45pm here at the Shed, and then head on over to do a lot of setup LONG before anyone shows up.
PLEASE feel free to come up and introduce yourself and make yourself part of 'the crowd' for tonight especially.
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Sun, March 30, 2008 - 3:33 PMAlan might have the red armbands, but I'm bringing some orange 'fire safe' ones instead of the arm reflective ones I said before.
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Sun, March 30, 2008 - 4:37 PMI am trying to round up my second camera operator, so I will not be able to make it to the Watershed at 5PM. With a bit of luck, I will be waiting for you under the bridge. Thx. -
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Sun, March 30, 2008 - 5:27 PMWe've been finding that there are people under the bridge EVERY single weekend, so we are going out to 'do' fire safety to begin setting a precedent. The most official burns are first and third sundays, so this is the renegade burn.
Come on out!
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