I have been chatting to one of my American pals today online, I didn't meet him through Tribe but the question still stands. Do you all think that the Internet has helped or harmed relations between countries? I always thought that it helped because we get to talk to the "every man/woman" and not have to rely on stereotypes. But my American pal thinks it's harmed relations because he says he gets a lot of stick for being American and sometimes he has been treated badly straight off without people even engaging him in communication just because his location is America. He also says it's got worse over the years rather than better but I think it's got better as the world has got a little bit smaller with the Web being more active these days. Wow that was one big question! Sorry!!
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Mon, March 24, 2008 - 3:11 PM*shrug* I'm American. Never had a problem with my international friends/students because of it.
I tend to think you see what you look for.
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Mon, March 24, 2008 - 5:39 PMWhere has he been chatting? It may just be the group that has stigmatized the whole thing.
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Mon, March 24, 2008 - 6:07 PMThis is my 2 cents ... not that it's actually worth 2 cents ...
There are some people in the world who enjoy talking with people from other countries. There are also those who use such a medium for abuse or otherwise releasing their anger. I don't do a lot of chatting with people online anymore, but when I have, it has been mostly positive. I have talked with people from Brazil, Australia, Great Britain, France and a few other countries for months at a time (not all at once) and had a very pleasant time doing it (I consider myself an amateur anthropologist ... which is the study of culture and people).
On the other hand, I have played pool on yahoo for quite a while. People often ask where a person is from (good question). Every now and then, a person would ask and I'd tell them I live in the US (a lot of people on there also live in the US and they ask for more specific locations but many live outside the US so they don't really care what specific state I live in) only to get called a bunch of nasty names. I hadn't said anything to them other than "hello" and "united states" when these names get called ... and it's in an area designed to play a game... as opposed to a chat room.
Maybe people from the US are hated around the world for whatever reason, but this doesn't mean that everyone shares the attitude(s) that a country is hated for ... even if they live in said country. I chalk it up to people just being A-holes no matter what country they happen to call home. For those that want the internet to help, it's a great thing. For those who aren't interested in learning about anyone else, don't want to change and/or only seek to abuse people without finding out their individual situations first, it hurts. I personally think there are more of the former than the latter. I'll cling to this as long as I continue meeting great people online.
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Mon, March 24, 2008 - 6:30 PM<<Do you all think that the Internet has helped or harmed relations between countries? >>
Not sure about "Countries" but my personal experience is I have learned a lot about other countries by interacting with the people from them on the Internet - more importantly I have made some friends - many of which occupy a special place in my heart - through the Internet.
I never understood the idea of pen pals until I got to tribe. The idea you could form meaningful relationships with people you have never met.. but the first time I sat somewhere and thought about how my tribe friends were doing- knowing of their problems, hopes, aspirations - hell even the name of their dogs and neighbours and evil boss LOL - I understood the attraction of Pen Pals..
So I am not sure if the Internet has brought "my Country" closer to "other Countries"- but certainly on a micro level rather than macro - it has brought me closer to citizens of other lands.. YAY the Internet ! -
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Mon, March 24, 2008 - 6:37 PMLet me buy you a beer. :)
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Mon, March 24, 2008 - 6:48 PM<<Let me buy you a beer. :) .>
Oh - and this is another critical component - offers of free booze and accommodation !
:)
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Mon, March 24, 2008 - 6:46 PM> I never understood the idea of pen pals until I got to tribe...
Don't know what you youngsters get up to nowadays....
Damn, my first pen pal, first first love, first Valentine Card, all from this girl who lived in Boca Raton. We kept in touch for over 6 years and almost met when we were 19 (BTW, I chickened out). -
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Mon, March 24, 2008 - 6:52 PMI had friends into it.. but never got it.. I totally do now !
(and would you chicken out now - I bet not ! Older and wiser and all that :) -
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Mon, March 24, 2008 - 6:55 PMSo you're shouting lunch when I do drop by then?
As to chickening out... depends who I'm meeting. Yes I'm older and much much wiser ;) -
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Mon, March 24, 2008 - 7:14 PM<<So you're shouting lunch when I do drop by then? >>
it seems the trend - but it might be Macca's Hahahhahahaaa :) -
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Mon, March 24, 2008 - 7:29 PM>might be Macca's...
Preference for Hungry Jacks, better burgers :) -
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Mon, March 24, 2008 - 7:36 PMI'll be happy to buy any of you lunch if you'd just come to Boston.... -
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Mon, March 24, 2008 - 7:41 PMThanks for the offer BFG but to pay $3,000 for a free burger at a Boston Maccas???
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Mon, March 24, 2008 - 7:42 PMI wasn't talking to you, because you wouldn't let me buy lunch if I recall ;) -
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Mon, March 24, 2008 - 7:48 PM<<Preference for Hungry Jacks, better burgers :) >>
the burgers are alway........ :)
Me - I like the Aussie Burger :) (yes BFG - thats the one with "beets" on it..)
Jin... maybe we should skip the burgers and just go to the pub for a glass of lunch ! -
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Mon, March 24, 2008 - 7:52 PMaw, man ! I had almost scrubbed the beets from my brain...
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Mon, March 24, 2008 - 8:12 PMany tips on removing the pink stuff drops from my tie ??? -
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Mon, March 24, 2008 - 8:54 PMStain Removal For Beet :
Washables:
Soak in a mixture of 1 tsp liquid detergent, 1 tbsp vinegar, and 1 qt water for 15 minutes, then wash as usual.
If stain remains, blot with rubbing alcohol, and flush out alcohol with water.
If stain remains, soak in an enzyme presoak (like Shout) mixed with water, then wash as usual.
If stain remains, bleaches are an option if applied with caution (lemon juice, hydrogen peroxide, oxygen bleach like Clorox II, and chlorine bleach, in order of strength and harshness).
Nonwashables:
Blot with water.
Mix 1 part liquid detergent, 1 part glycerine and a few drops of vinegar, then apply with an eyedropper and cover the spot with a clean paper towel or disposable muslin moistened with the same mixture.
Change the pad as it absorbs the stain, keeping each pad moist but not wet. Blot.
Flush with water using an eye dropper.
Repeat if necessary.
If stain remains, bleaches are an option if applied with caution (lemon juice, hydrogen peroxide, oxygen bleach like Clorox II, and chlorine bleach, in order of strength and harshness).
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Mon, March 24, 2008 - 9:14 PM<<Stain Removal For Beet : >>
Much better than my advice... "Throw out tie" -
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Mon, March 24, 2008 - 9:23 PMYes.
I was going to suggest wearing a bib...
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Mon, March 24, 2008 - 8:24 PMI love beets. Never tried them on a burger.
Mmm...beets... -
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Mon, March 24, 2008 - 8:28 PMthere are very few foods that I do not like...and beets are right up there. Yuck ! -
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Mon, March 24, 2008 - 8:31 PMThey are very pretty in a martini ; )
(use a melon baller)
You don't have to eat them...
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Mon, March 24, 2008 - 10:27 PMBeets are one of my favorite flavors of all the vegetables. Yum!
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Mon, March 24, 2008 - 10:30 PMMy opinion is that the internet helps people separated by long distances relate and understand one another better. I have found we are more alike than I used to think when I had very little connection with people in other countries. -
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Mon, March 24, 2008 - 10:41 PMlots of people from the south put pickled beets on their sandwiches and burgers. coleslaw too. -
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Tue, March 25, 2008 - 3:27 AMDamn tootin'.
I have a major love affair going on with certain countries, and I really don't care who hates on me about the USA. I'm usually focused on something else, something other than mere intertribal posturing.
Anyway, I hate the USA more than they ever could, because I love it, and know it, whereas outsiders can't possibly understand what is so hateworthy and so beautiful about America / Americans (and the southeast in particular).
As for the internet - I can only think that increased communication is good, no matter how much temporal conflict or misunderstanding may kick up in the short term, I can only continue to think that communication = understanding = eventual peace (or total obliteration). Plus: my play with spicy foreign babes is up 3000%. Thus, science shows that the internet is Good. Very Good.
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Tue, March 25, 2008 - 6:21 AMI think most of the other posts are along the lines of what I think.
In your post, you said even your friend has mentioned that "the world has got a little bit smaller." To me, that's really the point. People are interacting with other people, from all over the place, with different political, religious, philosophical backgrounds.
Sure, there will always be a few schmucks around to spoil the party. And sometimes a harmless joke is misinterpreted and serves as a barrier to open communication. But both of these issues come up everywhere, in every setting. When I lived in Prague, I met a particularly annoying British guy, who looked just like Mr. Bean, I swear! Anyway, he realized I was from the States and tried to ruin the entire evening by hounding me about guns and Cuba, as if I am personally responsible for US policies! Ugh. I came close to making a snippy comment that it was around July 4th, when my country was celebrating a bit of British butt-kicking. But, he beat me to it and made our entire table see what an ass he really was. He shouted (in a Czech pub, mind you), "What's so bad about communism anyway?" Well, you might imagine the reaction of our Czech friends to it.
I don't think I've ever had anyone get truly nasty with me because of my citizenship, other than the annoying questions about why the US does certain things. Then again, I think I approach things in my own way and impress upon others my desire to learn about their ways. Perhaps if someone already expects a certain attitude from Americans, the slightest remarks could be construed as hostile or arrogant or whatever.
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Tue, March 25, 2008 - 9:19 AMAgreed, Heather. If people cannot get past their particular "set" of ideas about a certain people, and persist in operating from supposition and xenophobia, rather than seeing me as a fellow human who happens to have been born on this hunk of soil, then there's not much I can do about it. I'm not "America's Foreign Policy", I'm not the "Rude American Tourist", and I'm not the "Entitled Hollywood Snob", but there are times when I've been pushed into those boxes. Whatever. If someone doesn't choose to get to know me on an individual basis (and many have, which is lovely), then I don't need them.
To address Lucy's question, I don't think that the internet has been harmful in the least. I think that we are now able to see and hear these opinions of us that we didn't really believe existed, so perhaps things appear worse than they did when nobody was telling us (the average Joe, I mean), but I think that the internets give people a wonderful opportunity to *break* those assumptions by simply talking to one another : ). -
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Wed, March 26, 2008 - 12:01 AMWell, I'm an arrogant bitch, but I think it has less to do with the country where I was born and raised and currently live...........and more to do with the fact that capitalistic corporations don't really care what nation they are raping as long as it affects the bottom line to the advantage.......but I digress.
I don't think that being from whatever country has much to do with how you are treated on the internet............I think it has more to do with appearance and attitude and preconceived notions about people and places. We are all looking through some sort of colored glasses, whether that be how you were raised or where you were raised.
Could someone please pass the beets? I love me some beets! -
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Wed, March 26, 2008 - 12:22 AMThen beets you shall have ! -
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a little off topic
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 1:26 PMLast year, I hosted some Russian exchange student and we had a lovely discourse about "borsh" vs "borscht."
Apparently, in Russian it is pronounced "borsch," while Americans and others add the "t" to make it Borscht.
I'm guessing it has something to do with the Jewish Russians. or perhaps a touch of Yiddish. My guest was terribly offended by my mispronunciation until we went to the grocery store and he saw jars of "borscht" in the Jewish/Yiddish section. I guess we just agreed to disagree.
And a related topic, my ex was rather irate whenever I said "red beets." As if there were no other kinds of beets.
Oh, and another question for all foodies out there..... Does Kohlrabi fall into the beet family? It tastes like a type of beet, even though it is white and a bit milder than other official beets?
Just curious.
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Wed, March 26, 2008 - 2:21 PMit's in the cabbage family. -
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Wed, March 26, 2008 - 3:13 PMI'm totally excited that someone was offended about borscht. That may beat out my getting offended about minted cous cous.
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Thu, March 27, 2008 - 8:05 PMHey, look, I actually learned something productive on tibe! :-)
The sad thing is that the only place I've been able to find kohlrabi is at Wegman's. I can't find it anywhere else and I just love it!
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Thu, March 27, 2008 - 9:58 PMDo you have anywhere you could grow it? It is easy to grow and does not need a lot of room or long hours of sunlight.
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Fri, March 28, 2008 - 12:03 AMI have friends all over the world and the only people I get hassled for being an American for is other Americans.