If you know who this is referring to, great. If not, then that's fine.
tribes.tribe.net/goldstarc...8bbf958420
the person who was unsubbed had a pretty big psychological effect on tribe.........for a long time. It's important that if you see anything that looks like said person, that you refer it to Darren and refer said person to this post.
Moderator - I trust that if you find my post and subsequent threads not appropriate for this tribe that you delete it. You may delete without notifying me. I have absolutely no attachment what so ever.
Thank you.
tribes.tribe.net/goldstarc...8bbf958420
the person who was unsubbed had a pretty big psychological effect on tribe.........for a long time. It's important that if you see anything that looks like said person, that you refer it to Darren and refer said person to this post.
Moderator - I trust that if you find my post and subsequent threads not appropriate for this tribe that you delete it. You may delete without notifying me. I have absolutely no attachment what so ever.
Thank you.
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Tue, January 15, 2008 - 6:09 PMhhhmmmm, there is harrassment from time to time. It is very nice to know that Tribe will take steps.
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Tue, January 15, 2008 - 6:16 PM>>>there is harrassment from time to time
in this case it was more like constant.
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Tue, January 15, 2008 - 6:19 PMThis certainly wasn't my most favorite person on Tribe, and I am not very knowledgeable of the situation.
I do believe there are a few others also deserving of being shown the door, though. Let's hope the cleanup is thorough.
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Tue, January 15, 2008 - 6:37 PMI'm grateful as well, to know that somebody is watching when certain people get out of control and that they are removed. Thank you Darren for your time. -
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Tue, January 15, 2008 - 11:58 PMI'm happy with this post to be discussed, I know people who have said for MONTHS how dangerous this member was and now they have been proved right. Certain people have spent a long time trying to get other people to avoid this toxic person and it seems finally that tribe are listening to their concerns. -
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Wed, January 16, 2008 - 4:25 AMLots of people get unsubbed for TOU violations. Some of them are currently members of this tribe. :D
It's not clear what exactly that proves.
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Wed, January 16, 2008 - 4:35 AMWell it proves that he broke TOU and as a result he was booted. I am sure he will return under an alt but he thought he was invincible and he wasn't. -
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Wed, January 16, 2008 - 5:01 AMHalf of Tribe is breaking TOU. And they aren't getting booted. Do you know you aren't allowed to swear? That's in the TOU. You can find violations in just about every tribe. And if you are not a Premium member, you are still getting ads (if you don't have an ad blocker). If you start browsing tribes, you will find that some tribes do not have ads. Why? Because those tribes violate Google AdSense policy on adult material. Ads cannot be displayed on those tribes, in those threads. Which generally means that those tribes, their content, violates Tribe TOU too.
The ads have to be manually removed or blocked or something to prohibit them from showing up. That would be done by Tribe.net employees. So they are very aware of what tribes have content that violates their own TOU, as they have to actively block/stop the ads from appearing IN those tribes. But nobody and nothing is getting pulled from those tribes.
TOU is, has been, and always will be selectively enforced. At the whim of the person who can press the button, and the kinds of conduct present. Some things are pretty obvious. Some are subject to interpretation. They do not allow explanation. It also has way too much to do with the input of various members that are not Tribe.net staff. Depending on who reports will depend on what action is taken.
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Wed, January 16, 2008 - 5:14 AMErr what a load of rubbish. Ok some of TOU is pathetic but what this particular member was doing was hugely wrong and he deserved to be booted and I'm only sorry it wasn't done sooner!! -
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Wed, January 16, 2008 - 7:18 AMSo what do you believe the final outcome of this is going to be? Or is the 'ding dong, the witch is dead' pretty much the end of it?
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Wed, January 16, 2008 - 7:32 AMOh they will be back im some form but hopefully a lesson learned regarding harassment and general bullying. -
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Wed, January 16, 2008 - 7:33 AMAgreed, hopefully it will be. :)
Oh, and it will be instructive to see how long it takes Tribe to respond to requests for moderator changes and tribe removals resulting from this.
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Wed, January 16, 2008 - 7:53 AMagreed, Craig
tribe's woeful response time makes it sort of difficult to gauge what the actual reason for the removal was...there have been so many complaints from so many different people that have gone on for so many months. Is tribe finally responding to the really old complaints ? Did enough of them finally accumulate to generate a response ? Or was there some heinous new thing that most of us don't even know about ? The world may never know :)
The insatiably curious part of me is dying for the inside info. The scared little girl is just glad the monster is gone. Even though it's likely that we're dealing with a Hydra, and we haven't come close to chopping off all the heads....
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Wed, January 16, 2008 - 8:05 AM<tribe's woeful response time makes it sort of difficult to gauge what the actual reason for the removal was...there have been so many complaints from so many different people that have gone on for so many months. Is tribe finally responding to the really old complaints ? Did enough of them finally accumulate to generate a response ? Or was there some heinous new thing that most of us don't even know about ? The world may never know :) >
I contimplated responding here as many of you are much deeper into this issue then I ever was. Though, I was involved in some aspects of it... mainly trying to determine who is a liar, and who is a friend. I Never really felt like I got the whole story and still don't. People leave things out.. purposly. And it's silly for any of us to believe otherwise.
but BFG makes a good point. Do we really know why? I find it hard to believe that with all the complaints though out the agonzing MONTHS of this drama... tribe is only now, acting on this?
Something else is up.
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Wed, January 16, 2008 - 8:20 AMObviously none of us really know what has just happened, the truth is that there were many many complaints running on for months but there must have been something recent, a bit of icing on the cake that tipped the scales. SN is right, it is hard to get the whole truthful story but the sheer volume of different people with similar claims who never even spoke to each other until being united by the harassment they received was enough to convince me along with a handful of personal experience of it myself.
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Wed, January 16, 2008 - 5:14 PM(((BFG)))
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Wed, January 16, 2008 - 9:09 PM> ...witch is dead' pretty much the end of it?
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Thu, January 17, 2008 - 4:32 AMSo, this was all an exercise in futility?
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Wed, January 16, 2008 - 1:42 PM<It's not going to get better. It's going to get worse. This is probably the beginning of the end of Tribe.net. >
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Wed, January 16, 2008 - 6:51 PMIt's only an odd point of view from your perspective. I still have not heard or spoken to anyone that has made any claims against Bruce. I have not seen anything out of the ordinary that Bruce has done. Of course, I don't and can't follow every single tribe.
But what I have seen is a group gunning for Bruce, without showing any public proof of what he supposedly did. Be sure to check out the dates on these things. And I can tell you who most of the Unsubbed people in the various threads are, if you don't already know.
Examples:
touwatchdog.tribe.net/thread/...24508455
people.tribe.net/lokifreign/blog
That last blog was about lying. There are so many liars on Tribe.net, that it's not funny. We know that. So why this person, being picked out of the group?
people.tribe.net/marvindub...72c843803b
This is the general attitude of some of the people.
There are two groups in this, three really. Those who don't know and don't care. They don't know Bruce or any of the other players and they aren't in this tribe either.
The other two groups are those in support of Bruce, and those who have been against Bruce.
I did have a discussion with one of the people about Bruce and one of the problems. I countered the claims with alternative explanations, which were heard and understood. There ARE some alternative explanations.
Why do I know this? Because I have had the same group harassing me, and they still do harass me. Their bogus claims are exaggerations or flat out lies. The same group that spread the rumor that I was a man. I am not, nor have I ever been a man. And they pass on that "information" as though it were confirmed fact.
Look at the power structure. Look at who is doing the programming for Tribe.net:
brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/...70ea0c22
brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/...e7b8c2fd
Look at who is running the Gold Star Club. Not a tribe employee. A former and current troll. Right? Just browse through the threads over here:
touwatchdog.tribe.net/thread/...3201b7d3
Notice any correlation? That the most vocal members in the troll tribe are also the most vocal members on the Gold Star tribe? Who are also the ones who most condemned Bruce?
What do I get?
tribes.tribe.net/goldstarc...62caccb51d
Yes, someone is now spreading the rumor that *I* am Bruce. Want to bet it's from that very group that I pointed to? I reported it. It wasn't pulled. While the original post was pulled, this quote is what was posted by Mr. M in his alt 666 persona, before being unsubbed:
touwatchdog.tribe.net/thread/...096f3d30
Somewhere there is truth. But it won't be coming from the people in those threads. I wouldn't trust ANY information from any of those people. Name-calling, lying, accusing, hypocritical trolls that run in a pack attacking various people along the way. I have been picked on by both Darren (tribe employee) and Shatter (runs the gold star club tribe).
I know the grapes are sour. I'm finding it hard to believe that those people who are so wrong about so many things can possibly have any valid claims. I would really like to hear about what Bruce has supposedly done. And NOT from the sour grape/gold star group.
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Wed, January 16, 2008 - 7:17 PMtouwatchdog.tribe.net/thread/...e943b98b
Who was it who was passing around the information via PM about Bruce being "DANGEROUS"?
Is that not trash talking too?
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Wed, January 16, 2008 - 7:22 PMYES, i was.
as well as many friends of mine.
you are the one who doesn't know whereof they speak.
what are you are doing right now is TROLLING, causing trouble, stirring shit up.
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Wed, January 16, 2008 - 7:35 PMNo, I am not trolling.
And you did not answer the question. We are not talking about your "friends".
I'm not buying any story that comes from your group.
But I can bet I will get a warning for trolling, if you (specifically) are offended. Or maybe I will just get unsubbed.
All I'm seeing in this thread are accusations without substance. I'm not seeing links to where he was offensive or terrible. I'm not seeing anyone come forward to discuss what happened.
So that the rumors will continue to fly, in PM and in private tribes. Or in public tribes, like TOU Watchdog. The rumors will be taken as truth, if they are talked about long enough. And Bruce cannot even address the claims.
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Wed, January 16, 2008 - 7:56 PM"And you did not answer the question."
yeah, actually, I think she did:
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Wed, January 16, 2008 - 8:07 PMIt would be nice if this didn't become a catfight thread, ladies. I'm sure you agree. -
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Wed, January 16, 2008 - 8:18 PMI'm not trying to fight. I was just pointing it out since it seemed she'd missed it. unless it was some other question she thought hadn't been answered, in which case, nevermind! -
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Wed, January 16, 2008 - 8:22 PMMy apologies.
I've just seen this movie before. :)
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Wed, January 23, 2008 - 10:09 AMTrue, if you're so into truth, why are you hiding your identity behind a question mark? That smacks of Alt, surely you realize that, and you're reducing any credibility you are straining to create by how you present yourself. You expect anyone to take seriously anything you have to say when you can't even be honest about who you are? -
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Wed, January 23, 2008 - 11:58 AMHmmm. Well I'm not really a gaseous nebula. You're probably not a young, kinda squished Rutger Hauer.
BFD?
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Wed, January 23, 2008 - 12:46 PMWell, that is just an avatar and I do have plenty of photos of the real me. Unlike ?true. -
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Wed, January 23, 2008 - 1:05 PMNo pic really doesn't mean anything. There are so many people on tribe that don't post a real pic, so I'm sorry Podman, but I can't back that statement. Heck, look down this thread, there are a few here, that don't have one single pic of themselves on their profile. -
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Wed, January 23, 2008 - 1:39 PMI agree with SN, if some people don't want their photo online then what does it matter? At the end of the day we're all words on a screen anyway, it matters what those words say not what smiling face is next to them. -
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Wed, January 23, 2008 - 1:42 PM<--------------------I am not this person, nor have I played her on TV
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Wed, January 23, 2008 - 3:14 PMThat is true, SN, but you represent yourself fairly here, as do most of my friends. Those with nothing to hide dont' seem to have any problem with that.
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Wed, January 23, 2008 - 1:06 PMI guess there's nothing which compels any of us to accept what somebody else posts.
I like to find out stuff for myself, when the opportunity presents itself, and then decide.
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Wed, January 23, 2008 - 2:44 PM>>That smacks of Alt<<
I can't think of anything with less meaning or significance in this context. An "alt"..? Of what?
I find when people start throwing words like "alt" and "troll" around on tribe.net, I am physically incapable of sustaining basic respect, because you're saying "you are not a human being" and frankly, I make enemies out of assholes that use that mental control tactic to dehumanize other people - no matter what their online personae are all about.
So, welcome to the grownup world of being - at this moment - a complete and utter dickhead, "PodMan". I laugh at you, and your absurd attempt to psychoanalyze someone you can't even take the time (expend the mental effort?) to accurately regard. You can be an absurd dickhead all you like: don't get me wrong - it's just that absurd dickheads are useless and should shut up. Humor / wit is key: that drops the "absurd" and mitigates the silent "useless" from in front of your "dickhead" title.
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Wed, January 23, 2008 - 2:57 PMYeah, OK, one dehumanizing tactic is certainly superior to another.
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Wed, January 23, 2008 - 3:47 PM>>Yeah, OK, one dehumanizing tactic is certainly superior to another.<<
True: if you dehumanize yourself, it's no one else's business and not a topic for evaluation. It's all your business, in that case.
That said, if (as I'm sensing) you're suggesting that I've dehumanized "PodMan" let me assure you that I neither doubt nor impugn Mr.Man's humanity; I simply reserve the right to be disgusted with his bullshit, and to express myself in an honest fashion.
You'll note, maybe, that I use precise language when discussing these matters. I'm sure my predilection for hyperbole confuses some but let me be clear and unambiguous:
When you call someone an "alt" or a "troll" on these boards, you're witless asshole that should shut up. "Alt" and "troll" are terms that have no use except to attempt to vaguely call someone's being-hood into dispute - as repugnant and dimwitted as such people might seem on the surface, I find the behavior is far too widespread to attribute merely to a few witless assholes - it's the effect of repetitions of this conduct. It's pointless - it has no meaning, no object - and so I make sure to deliver extreme opprobrium to those who engage in it in what I, personally, consider to be a particularly unethical manner. You can call my own validity / rightness into question, that's certainly your prerogative, but you should be aware that "rubber/glue" arguments only serve to underscore the essential point:
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Wed, January 23, 2008 - 3:51 PMBy choice I don't post my photo online. This doesn't make me or anyone else dishonest. A person has to give me a reason to doubt them which has nothing to do with having a photo up on the site or not.
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Wed, January 23, 2008 - 3:52 PMGotcha.
You're ignored.
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Wed, January 23, 2008 - 10:38 PMif i sent heather a valentine do you think i'd have a chance??
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