Getting involved?

topic posted Wed, February 27, 2008 - 2:39 PM by  Unsubscribed
I've seen a lot of people who are being harassed and targetted by some of the scum of the internet and some people who are bullied but manage to rise above it. So what side of the coin is everyone in here? Do you rise above it or get involved? I rise above it and I kinda wonder how much more time I would need to spend in here before I morph into a getting involved kind of person. At what point do we all switch to the dark side and start to experience those psychological effects!!
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  • Re: Getting involved?

    Wed, February 27, 2008 - 5:41 PM
    I get involved if I think there is something useful/ helpful I can contribute. Usually privately, as I think posting to threads where people are already engaged in something does little good.

    I tend to only get involved briefly, and if I really am not helping, I step out.

    If I see something coming and I can try to help soften the impact, I sometimes interject briefly, and then leave it to the parties involved to work out.

    There have been times when I have spouted off with something that is too harsh (even if I think it's true) to be productive. I hope that when I've done this, I have later had the grace to apologize, and publicly if the spouting off was done publicly. It seems appropriate.

  • Re: Getting involved?

    Wed, February 27, 2008 - 6:27 PM
    Yes, I have been known to step in between combatants.

    Also I sometimes get this strange desire to throw myself under the wheels of moving busses. Still trying to work that one out.
    • Re: Getting involved?

      Wed, February 27, 2008 - 6:34 PM
      <<Still trying to work that one out. >>
      Please do, sir...

      : D
      • Re: Getting involved?

        Wed, February 27, 2008 - 6:35 PM
        Work it out, you know. No throwing yourself near buses. It's just not attractive...
        ; D
        • Re: Getting involved?

          Wed, February 27, 2008 - 6:47 PM
          Yes, I would not want my Underdog suit to be discolored. ;)
          • Re: Getting involved?

            Wed, February 27, 2008 - 7:52 PM
            It depends on the situation. I have spoken to some extent. When what needs to happen with the majority does, I leave quietly and let the remainding people who wont stop, duke it otu. Everyone else ignors it..
            Otherwise I deal with it behind the scenes or ask someone who is in the know. I have no quarrel slamming someone. I prefer not to. Most of you in here have friends you have known longer than me, so I make sure I see what is up and then I just watch..Except for the poor people who are having to deal with real life situations that either started in here or was brought in here, the best thing I can do is to forwarn of known not nice people and keep telling everyone to remove your tribes and your comments off of your profile. Really, it helps. i only quarreled with one troll. It taught me a lesson. I just do not comment if I can avoid it and tell others not to comment either...
            If someone is unbalanced, I pass that as well, if I see something that may crop up.
  • Re: Getting involved?

    Wed, February 27, 2008 - 9:12 PM
    I think it is amazing how many grudges and flaming parties start with the simplest of misunderstandings. If I can make a contribution to resolve a misunderstanding I will.. but a lot of the time when people are in open conflict driven by personality rather than concepts - I don't know them and just stay clear of it.. I have only been active on boards like tribe for a comparatively short time - but certainly see the wisdom of people who say "don't feel the troll" but it also extends beyond that to don't actively inflame a situation . Many people seem to love to put manners and courtesy aside within the animosity and the lack of personal responsibility that the Internet can facilitate. Seems many thrive on conflict.. But I will certainly wade in to support a concept I feel is important...
    • Re: Getting involved?

      Thu, February 28, 2008 - 6:59 AM
      Besides one particular troll I try to avoid them. So I say my piece and keep on moving. If they keep responding I usually do too. There have been a few trolls in the past that 've been vocal about. The one in particular though was worse than all of them combined. If the people that spoke up and complained about him would have done nothing he'd still be here fucking with innocent people that are actually on tribe for other purposes than harassing people and ruining their lives.
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        Re: Getting involved?

        Thu, February 28, 2008 - 11:58 AM
        Mr. M said = Besides one particular troll I try to avoid them

        Why do you not avoid one troll, you don't have to name names or circumstances but what is it about that one troll?
        • Re: Getting involved?

          Thu, February 28, 2008 - 12:11 PM
          i got involved standing up for someone i trusted.

          dirty tricks were played by the Burning Man power that be ...

          their cruel game failed, my friend and i are closer as a result, and have joined brethrens ...

          sucked in traaawwwwwwwwlllllllleeeeerrrrrrrrrssssss!

          i doff my hate to you, since had you not hurt my friend, i would never have found such a wonderful person behind all the anger, hurt and pain.

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            Re: Getting involved?

            Thu, February 28, 2008 - 12:16 PM
            I just don't understand how you can let something online hurt you that much? I mean I take the best bits from online, I make friends and have chats and all the cool stuff but when someone annoys me I leave them out of my life. Does that make sense?
            • Re: Getting involved?

              Thu, February 28, 2008 - 6:10 PM
              We often make ourselves more vulnerable online. (Well, that is not an all inclusive we, I suppose.)

              I tend to go through posting phases, for example: I will post lots and through out a lot of my thoughts and sillyness and ideas, because I am feeling like it's ok to ask for feedback and responses and interaction. Sometimes I don't have the energy to spare for opening myself up for reactions and commentary from whomever happens to respond. You can tell that I am coming around when I start picking on Marvin. :)

              Many people are online because they are craving interaction and lack the capacity (for whatever reason) to have regular time with many people. There are those who are housebound, have health issues that limit their mobility or their ability to get out to socialize, etc. Some people are so shy that they really just need an environment in which they can be as visible and present as feels comfortable, and no more.

              Online relationships become more important if they are your social link, and there is nothing wrong with that. I think it's healthy, in fact, when it works. We get to know a lot about each other, relatively quickly, and we (again with the 'we') offer support and positive feedback a lot more freely than would be ok in day to day life.

              The trouble is that there aren't really any rules that you can depend on not to be broken. Sure, attacking people or whathave you may not be allowed, but you can't prevent it, you can only react to it. That's the risk of playing with words while essentially blindfolded.

              You can't always see people coming at you, wildly swinging the 2x4 of their own issues. I may be doodling along, playfully posting and interacting with someone, and somehow something I say may trigger something sensitive for them without any harm intended. Or maybe I meant to upset them because I am mad at the world today and I 'need' to beat some(one) (thing) up to feel some release. Maybe I am just an ass and I like that about myself. Maybe I never learned how to play nice, and this is like a big playground where I am learning to be social at everyone else's expense...etc.)

              Maybe I ramble too much.

              My point is, for some people online communities are virtual and remain just virtual, and that's cool. You can leave when it gets messy and no one will think twice about it.

              For others, though, there are real emotions invested, and that's what makes it tricky. It can be hard to determine how much of your need for human interaction/ validation/ friendship should be fed by taking the gamble that the people you are online with right now are going to play nice.




              Ok, I am going to post this and run; I will reread it later and realize how little sense I've made. lol




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                Re: Getting involved?

                Thu, February 28, 2008 - 8:25 PM
                "If you've ever worked as an intelligence operative for certain government agencies, nobody ever tells you that they're gonna kill you - doesn't happen that way. There aren’t any arguments, threats or confrontations like you see in the movies or on “the street.“ See, your murderers come with smiles, they come as your friends - the people you trust. Sometimes, they will come at a time when you're at your weakest and most vulnerable.

                The truth is your most dangerous enemies can turn out to be your friends and relatives. Remember that ‘cause the battlefield is littered with casualties who forgot that simple rule...."

                That's an extreme example, but given certain "nefarious elements" prowling on these www forums today - it's noteworthy.
                • Re: Getting involved?

                  Thu, February 28, 2008 - 8:34 PM

                  why bother i'm beginning to say ... fuck it all ... if someone is being harassed, and i get wind of it, i will get involved. it is who i am. if the swords and spears are then thrown at my back because i was wrong, made a mistake about somebody, realised it and talked it thru all night with said person, then so be it.

                  i guess it's the labor, trade unionist streetfighter pirate libran in me.

                  I will stand up for what is right, but god, i wish i wasnt the one who seems to cop it ...

                  "I live my life as I deem appropriate and fitting; I offer no apologies, no explanations."
                  ~ Aaron Burr
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    Re: Getting involved?

    Thu, February 28, 2008 - 9:35 PM
    First off, 90% of what people claim is harassment is just a heated argument.

    If, after several go rounds in an argument, I am winning, many people will start to freak out and claim I am harassing them. I am not harassing them. I am beating them in an argument. Huge difference. Just because I am having fun while doing it does not make it harassment.

    If you look at my supposedly "harassing" posts, there is no name calling, no insults, no threats. Just argument.

    Then if you look at my "victim's" posts, they are filled with foul language, personal insults, irrelevant, illogical arguments, etc.

    Sometimes, I think tribe.net is mostly very mentally unstable, immature people for that reason.

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    On the other hand, there is some real harassment that goes on. Welcome to the internet.

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    If you chose to get involved by coming to someone's defense, make very sure you are on the right side.

    I have been duped a few times by one of tribes most popular personalities to help them out when said person was being attacked, only to find that said person had unclean hands in the affair. I could name names, but I won't. But said person knows who said person is. Maybe that is why said person pretends I am no longer worthy of friendship. A guilty conscious will do that. Don't try to guess who said person is. I won't respond whatsoever.

    Moral of story: don't get involved unless you know damn sure, from first hand observation, who is right.
    • Re: Getting involved?

      Thu, February 28, 2008 - 9:44 PM
      There's a big difference between debating or arguments and harassment.

      I have no idea who youre talking about and wouldnt try to guess. I don't even know who you are actually.

      ".........And then Dog said..........I never knew you." Then he caste them into the Lake of Fire & Brimstone!!!!!!! ( THUNDER NOISES and screaming and waling. Weeping and knashing of teeth. That's hot!!! )
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        Re: Getting involved?

        Thu, February 28, 2008 - 10:09 PM
        And I am not asking you to agree with my self assessment or investigate my background.

        But I will submit that way too many people on tribe will characterize their loss of an argument as having been "harassed."

        And I think that is a pathetic sign of the times.
        • Re: Getting involved?

          Thu, February 28, 2008 - 10:22 PM
          Well I don't see my own or others REAL harassment as simple as just losing arguments. It's more than that. If I lose an argument I have no problem acknowledging it. I'm totally open to being set str8 or put in my place. I was talking about real, actual harassment. Not some petty unimportant bullshit. Not that things or subjects being debated arent important though. Like this whole subject for example. I'm not trying to win an argument. There's nothing to argue about and nothing to win. The facts speak for themselves to those that listen & see. Autism may be epidemic these days but so is blindness and even people with sight cannot always see what is staring them in the face.
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            Re: Getting involved?

            Thu, February 28, 2008 - 10:27 PM
            And I wasn't talking about you, Mr, M.

            I am aware of who you had problems with on Tribe.net, and I joined with others in battle against him. I saw personal messages he sent to people and in my opinion, it rose to the level of illegal harassment, in violatin of Florida's anti-stalking and cyber-harassment law.

            All I was saying is there are a lot of whiners on tribe.net who think that they are being harassed simply because someone clobbers them in an argument. And I find that horrifying, that people are that intellectually weak.

            So when we speak of harassment, we should specify whether we mean the Webster's Dictionary meaning of the word or Tribe.net whining meaning of the word.
  • Re: Getting involved?

    Fri, February 29, 2008 - 7:43 AM
    I used to get SO involved in internet drama. Last year when BFG and I were targeted by a whackadoodle troll I began to seriously curtail my “involvement” with people I only knew through a keyboard or avatar. Going through that with BFG and a few other supportive, extremely kind Tribesters forged “friendships” that exist to this day, and frankly they are part of only a handful of folks I stay “involved” with. Still, except for BFG I don’t get too much in their bid’ness. BFG and I don’t always agree either, but when we need to talk, even if the situation is uncomfortable, we DO talk. So in that respect I think she is a true friend, even when we are at odds in opinion.

    The thing I am slowly learning is people often use the internet to work through life problems they can’t relate to anyone else. They seek anonymous therapy, so to speak. I’ve spent way too much time advising, thinking my opinions would make a difference, when in reality the person just wanted someone to listen, to validate decisions they had already made in their heart. So if you set yourself up as someone’s confidante and therapist, mistaking that for true friendship, well you are bound to get your feelings hurt. If I get angry or feel slighted because I spent all that time advising someone for naught, well I have to ask myself if I didn’t just have a false sense of ego concerning my “worth” in that person’s real life. So I’ve learned not to take it personally as internet folks come in and out of my life. There’s a whole other world out there they are dealing with. Just because they try to involve me in their life drama, doesn’t give me validity in their real world. THIS was a very tough lesson for me to learn.

    Then there are the ones that just set out for their own gratification. I’ve become so honed in to this “dirty old man” type . . . can smell ‘em a mile away, or in the case of the internet, thousands of miles away, lol. My first instinct is ALWAYS right, but only after a lot of training. For single women, it’s important to stop the involvement with those types. They don’t help our self esteem at all. Don’t go there!
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      Re: Getting involved?

      Fri, February 29, 2008 - 7:59 AM
      “dirty old man” type .

      ________

      Well, one thing that can be said in my defense is that I am not one of those.

      I would think it would be easy for anyone to spot those, except for novices to the internet. But some women are so lonely that they just want to believe.

      I can't even believe anyone uses tribe for dating. There is no reasonable expectation that anyone is who they say they are on tribe. If you want some security on people's identities, go to an internet dating service and pay your money.

      Men are also prayed upon, by a collollary to the dirty old men. If you are a male, you will invariably get personal messages from young, attractive, eager looking females who seek your attention. Of course, these are just come ons for on-line porn services, at best, and are money scams, at worse.

      These are easy to spot, too. I mean, why the hell would a sexy 22 year old named "Amber" be sending me personal messages saying she saw my profile and wanted to meet me or party with me?

      Maybe she thinks I am rich. LOL!
      • Re: Getting involved?

        Fri, February 29, 2008 - 8:06 AM
        Well not just porn chicks but there are some women out there who want to be taken care of. The helpless type who wanna sit on their asses and watch Oprah while the guy makes the living. I'm not talking stay at home moms or women who have their own businesses at home. I'm talking the lazy gals who literally do not wanna do shit.

        People use the net for all kinds of stuff. I don't really use it to meet men in a dating way anymore. I've been approached, even considered it recently, but it never works for me. In this I also have LOTS of experience, lol. I'm glad though I don't isolate myself because I have met some local guys on dating sites and we are great friends now. Mainly because they did NOT do the dirty old man routine, hee hee.

        I didn't mean my post to generalize about men. It's just what I run into a lot as a gal. I completely agree both sexes are culpable. Boy howdy!