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I am planning to start a remediation project on an abandoned orchard. I was wondering if anyone here had opinions on dressing the wounds on the trees I prune/graft? Any other tips/ideas? The orchard has been feral for over 60 years.
Thanks a lot!
~melissa
Thanks a lot!
~melissa
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Re: Suggestions for tree wound dressing?
Fri, March 6, 2009 - 6:43 PMJust prune properly and let the tree heal itself. If you seal the cut, it will never heal properly, and the sealant will trap bacteria and rot. -
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Sat, March 7, 2009 - 2:43 AMI agree with jason. -
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Re: Suggestions for tree wound dressing?
Sat, March 7, 2009 - 9:07 AM^^^
I agree, leave them alone -- trees compartmentalize their own wounds (better than you can)
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Sat, March 7, 2009 - 8:40 AM60 years?? What type of tree is still productive after that amount of time? -
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Re: Suggestions for tree wound dressing?
Sat, March 7, 2009 - 9:02 AMThere are a bunch of trees that are of all various ages. The original trees were planted 60 yrs ago. I was thinking of doing cleft and bark grafts, should I not worry about waxing or anything with this type of cut?
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Sat, March 7, 2009 - 12:21 PMOh, that's different. I have not done cleft or bark grafting. I had not picked up on the fact that you were grafting. Sorry I would think it necessary to seal that off with wax or something else. I looked around, and that is what all the "how to" sites recommend. Here is an example i thought was interesting from an extreme orchard makeover:
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Re: Suggestions for tree wound dressing?
Sun, March 8, 2009 - 11:04 AMSulfer is non toxic, reduces bacteria and redily available at many organic nurseries. -
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Re: Suggestions for tree wound dressing?
Sun, March 8, 2009 - 1:13 PMI think the scion or bud union itcellf has to be protected from drying out more than protected from bacteria, though i suppose both are important. I think the word "wound" threw everybody off on this one. A graft has to be sealed, as far as i know. It is a wonderful practice to learn. I've done some regular whip grafting, and highly recommend trying it. It is not hard, and is a great project to do with kids. This is the time of year to do it.
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Re: Suggestions for tree wound dressing?
Tue, March 10, 2009 - 4:13 AMbees wax
pine rosin
electrical tape
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Re: Suggestions for tree wound dressing?
Tue, March 10, 2009 - 5:17 AMHere are a couple of informed discussions on the benefits of parafilm. This was not available when i was last doing grafting, and i believe i would go with it now after reading what these folks have to say about it relative to wax.
forums.gardenweb.com/forums/...108.html
forums.gardenweb.com/forums/...994.html
Here is a place that sells it:
www.2spi.com/catalog/sup...afting.shtml
I would try to avoid over pruning. I've seen several disasters over the years here with hippies trying to rejuvenate old orchards and way over pruning while not applying a lot of fertilizer and the trees and it taking them the better part of a decade to recover if at all.
If they are cool old varieties, you might think of buying some seedling or clonal rootstocks, potting them up in tree pots and grafting scions on the from the old trees. This is easy and a cheap and satisfying way to get a new tree.
Be on the lookout for seedling trees that really are most likely ( very most likely) not to be worth grafting or keeping.
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Re: Suggestions for tree wound dressing?
Wed, March 11, 2009 - 9:27 AMSince these trees are so old, the rootstock will cause all of the grafts to grow as large as the trees you're looking at now. Something to bear in mind. The restoration link that Wil posted is a good solution if you're working in a modern orchard with dwarf or semi dwarf rootstock, and may work for you, but you'll still have big trees in the long run.
Have you called your local Master Gardener office and talked to anybody there? -
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Re: Suggestions for tree wound dressing?
Wed, March 11, 2009 - 7:29 PMI should keep hounding my local master gardener, they haven' t been too helpful so far. I think for bud and T grafting I'll try masking tape, as I've spoken with peeps who've had success with that, and maybe for the cleft grafting using beeswax like I did to inocculate logs with fungi.
Thanks for all the responses, I'll try to keep ya'll updated.
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Re: Suggestions for tree wound dressing?
Thu, March 12, 2009 - 1:41 PMWhat a wonderful undertaking. I hope you succeed in your efforts.
Whenever pruning is insufficient:
Use a mixture of lime sulfur and white paint over the wounds to seal them. I have also seen tar used to seal them but have never used it myself.
Good Luck!
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Re: Suggestions for tree wound dressing?
Sun, March 15, 2009 - 1:02 PMI was wondering what type of grafting you were planning on using? I have used cleft grafting when I grafted two types of pears trees together. I used grafting wax to seal it. I have seen others use the tongue graft and a veneer graft. I know that whip grafting is common in fruit bearing trees.
After you finish puning/grafting I highly recommend giving the trees a good dose of nitrogen in the form of either a kelp spray or throw some alfafa pellets (cheaply available at any farm store) at the base of the tree. -
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Re: Suggestions for tree wound dressing?
Fri, March 20, 2009 - 3:41 AMA random thought (I'm not that experienced of a plant husbander, my interest in Permaculture is how to perform mass social modification):
For whatever species of tree, it probably has a specific chemical that it uses defensively.
Simulation of that chemical, or a high concentration applied to the wound point along with any sealant, would probably help.
(I'm aware of the fact that this might not apply to the plants in question, it's just an idea that I'd like educated feedback on, I'm still learning).
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Re: Suggestions for tree wound dressing?
Tue, April 14, 2009 - 7:08 AMwhat about slightly moist sphagnum moss? wrap it, but be careful not to girdle. it is known for it's healing properties.... -
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Fri, May 8, 2009 - 1:28 PMI'm native and we use mud mixed with tobacco. But i also agree that trees have a tendency to heal themselves, if pruned right. -
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Re: Suggestions for tree wound dressing?
Mon, June 29, 2009 - 10:12 AMi like the mud idea. and the moss. hey how about mud and moss? a cob dressing
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