Bamboo?

topic posted Tue, June 30, 2009 - 6:21 PM by  yadda yadda
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Yesterday I read an article about a business that wants to start bamboo plantations in the Mississippi Delta. While I love bamboo as a building material, I'm concerned that we'll be introducing an invasive non native plant into an already stressed ecosystem. Is there any way to contain bamboo so it doesn't become another kudzu?
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  • Re: Bamboo?

    Tue, June 30, 2009 - 9:19 PM
    Invasiveness in bamboo more depends on the species. It rarely reproduces by seed and although it can spread by shoots that would be very, very local only. Many bamboos that produce seed, the original plants die out leaving only seedlings. Find out what bamboo they are planting.
    • Re: Bamboo?

      Tue, June 30, 2009 - 9:51 PM
      I ask because my best friend's neighbor in Birmingham planted one bamboo plant 10 years ago and now it has taken over the neighborhood. We had the same problem in California. My ex moved into a house with a stand of bamboo in the back yard. It took some extreme measures to get rid of it.
      I'm always nervous when it comes to introducting non native species for commercial purposes.
  • Re: Bamboo?

    Wed, July 1, 2009 - 2:23 AM
    I think it's a very good idea personally. The mississippi delta is scheduled for inundation as it is sinking at the same time the gulf is rising.

    Kudzu i consider a big green band aid on the south. It is massively misunderstood imo.

    There are over a thousand kinds of bamboo, over 400 available in america. These are divided into temperate and tropical and also into the more numerous runner varieties and less numerous clumpers. Clumpers easy to contain, runners not at all easy.

    Anyway, phytophobia.......a word i think i might have just made up, is a terrible affliction. Kudzu lives. Go kudzu!

    Avery island LA is a sort of a shrine for bamboo lovers as it is home of edmund mcIlhenny bamboo plantation. He is interesting and something of a hero of mine for his conservation work among other things. Bamboo is wonderful friend of mankind!! No reason to fear invasivness imo.
    • Re: Bamboo?

      Wed, July 1, 2009 - 6:52 AM
      How is Kudzu a band aid ??
      I live in the south, and while I know its uses, livestock feed, human food, medicine. I have watched it consume and deplete the soil of forest.
      And it is all but un-stoppable, only controllable with chems, money, and man power.
      • Re: Bamboo?

        Wed, July 1, 2009 - 7:21 AM
        No, it is BUILDING the forest soil! It is a very good legume. We see it because it runs down railroad lines and highways and roads of all description, but it does not take hold without large soil disturbance. Underneath that forest is land that was cottoned pretty near to death. I grew up in NC and now live in VA mountains, and tree planted a good bit in GA, SC, TN and VA in the 80's. We would see gullies over 20 ft deep down old fields that had been taken by woods and were now being replanted with long lines of genetically similar pine trees. What folks call a forest now is usually nothing of the sort, and there are some WAY worser invasives than kudzu going down. Kudzu fixes nitrogen from the air into the soil in a big way. The soil is depleted and scarred. That's why i call it a big green band aid on the south.

        Honeysuckle and blackberries not native either! Folks just grew up with them and are used to them. Kudzu is fairly new. I think the state planted it to control bank erosion and that it was pushed by ag depts. I know my grandad, a GA farmer, planted it for hay on statre recommendation when it was new on the scene, but was unhappy with the way it bailed. Where i live, the state and universities pushed a kind of rose bush for a "living fence" and it grew into fierce monster bushes on everyone's fencerows, that the cows just run right through like they aren't there, but we gots to crawl through to chase them.

        Bamboo, on the other and subject at hand however, is our friend. It is good to eat. It makes really cool crafts and stuff, very very useful. It makes paper faster than aforementioned planted pines way and has added benefit of not needing to be replanted as it grows right back from existing roots!! It makes good paper or biofuel or textiles!!! I like it! Actually i love it! There is a special feeling one gets in a large grove of bamboo. There is a soul connection, and i think it is one of humanity's best friends.
        • Re: Bamboo?

          Wed, July 1, 2009 - 8:16 AM
          I think its easy to see the benefits of a introduced plant if you aren't personally living with it. Kudzu is a nuisance and it crowds out other plants to the point that Kudzu is the only plant. Bamboo can be the same way. I would like to see a lot more scrutiny of this project. We've all seen what happens when profit is involved. If given the choice between a more profitable variety and a non invasive variety I think we know which one they'll choose. Also, who is going to make sure it is properly removed when they cease operation? As for the sinking of the Delta, bamboo is not going to prevent the innundation unless we somehow allow the Mississippi to flood every year and deposit the soil building silt. I'm very uncomfortable with this project.
          • Re: Bamboo?

            Wed, July 1, 2009 - 8:18 AM
            I forgot to mention. I live in southern Missouri now, but my family were farmers in the Delta of Mississippi.
            • Re: Bamboo?

              Wed, July 1, 2009 - 9:48 AM
              I looked around for the article you mentioned. Here it is, right?

              Could the Mississippi Delta become America's bamboo belt, the breadbasket of a new class of homegrown structural building components? Earlier this June in Greenville, Miss., a group of engineers, manufacturers, bureaucrats and farmers gathered to discuss how land formerly cultivated for cotton might be converted to produce bamboo on a massive scale. Teragren, the world's largest bamboo building products manufacturer, has engineered new structural joists made of imported Moso, a bamboo species with the tensile strength of steel. Teragren VP Tom Goodham says a domestic Moso source is the key to renewable structural timber becoming mainstream and affordable: "The whole bamboo building-products category is just on the cusp of critical mass."

              He's not the only one feeling optimistic after the meeting. Attendee Jackie Heinricher, owner of Boo-Shoot garden, has devised a method to clone mature culms of Moso grass. The plants flower only once every 60 to 100 years, so growing quantities from seedlings is impractical. When planted as cuttings, she adds, plants don't survive at a profitable level. Clones are the answer. "We're talking about planting hundreds of thousands, if not millions of acres," Heinricher says. "This technology makes it possible." Foreign bamboo kingpins have approached Heinricher with offers to buy her technology. She has kept her secret, which took a decade of research to create. "I always held fast to this vision of a U.S. source," she says. Goodham adds that importing bamboo is not inherently wrong—he says about 90 percent of China's bamboo comes from sustainably maintained ancient forests—but postearthquake revisions to China's building codes may lead to more structural bamboo use there, stretching the current supply worldwide. Plus, "In general, when you can manufacture items closer to where they'll be consumed, you lower the environmental impact," Goodham says.

              Heinricher envisions bamboo forests reviving the Delta's agricultural economy, which once relied on cotton crops but has generally fallen on hard times. Dr. Brian Baldwin, associate professor of plant and soil sciences at Mississippi State University, says mild, wet winters have helped bamboo species closely related to Moso do "exceedingly well here." He considers the region viable for large-scale production. Ted Rose, principal of the consulting firm Rose Carbon, predicts economic opportunities for farmers in the emerging marketplace of cap-and-trade commerce. Bamboo agriculture can generate "carbon reduction" credits under current cap-and-trade rules, Rose says, so farmers producing Moso in the Delta could potentially sell their credits on the open market. Citing examples of Moso farms in Nicaragua already taking advantage of these transactions, Rose says, "It's just another revenue stream for farmers."

              But getting the revenue flowing could prove to be the biggest obstacle. Unlike cotton, which promises a return on investment at the end of a single growing season, bamboo crops must mature for three or four years before they're ready for the first harvest. Baldwin adds that some developing acres may be unable to generate profits for even longer. "It's never an agronomic or horticultural problem," Baldwin says. "The material will grow, and will grow well here. It's always an economic problem." Echoing other attendees, Ted Rose says, "The biggest downside is the short-term risk for farmers. They're very concerned about next year's profit. With no significant government support, [switching crops] takes a leap of faith."

              That leap of faith will probably come from "landowners with enough moxie to just go for it," Heinricher says. Rose says the next step in the Delta is a test plot planting, but Heinricher disagrees. The McIlhenny family, of Tabasco fame, began the first test trial of Moso in 1910 on Avery Island, Louisiana. Clemson University has a mature test grove, as does Auburn University and Oak Ridge in Tennessee. "We're the only country in the world not making things out of bamboo," Heinricher says. "It grows here. What more do we need to test?"

              In the meantime, Teragren's product research has proven that Moso's load-bearing capacity is three times that of modern wooden structural materials. Using "younger and younger trees," Goodham says, produces "material not as strong as when we were harvesting old-growth timber." He predicts bamboo building materials will become economically viable once Teragren can begin production in a domestic manufacturing facility. As for when, Heinricher says, "I think there's going to be a tipping point. It's going to be an energy company or landowner who's not going to wait around. This is going to happen."

              Although companies like Teragren believe the venture will be profitable, Goodham says, "It's hard to look into the future five years and say, ‘We can guarantee you this price for this material.'" But, he continues, "the visionaries who take the leap will be well rewarded." New plantings are already being planned, according to Ed Johnson of the Delta Economic Development Center. He says that without the conference, which he helped organize, the talks wouldn't be taking place. As for any aspiring bamboo moguls interested in getting in on that discussion, Johnson says, "There is quite a bit of land for sale in the region."


              www.popularmechanics.com/home_...2.html
              • Re: Kudzu

                Wed, July 1, 2009 - 10:22 AM
                Basket material, nectar for bees, fodder for animals ( deer and rabbits as well as cows), kudzu jelly, kudzu root ( used as treatment for alcoholism as well as a traditional thickener in japanese cuisine), and more

                www.youtube.com/watch


                www.kokudzu.com/EdwardsFarm.html

                www.maxshores.com/kudzu/
                • Re: Kudzu

                  Wed, July 1, 2009 - 10:32 AM
                  Different article, same subject. I understand that Kudzu can be used to make may different products. My point is that Kudzu takes over an area and squeezes out all other plants and is impossible to get rid of. It damages the land because the other plants and trees can't compete with Kudzu and they die. Bamboo has the potential to do the same thing. There are a lot of people very excited about making money off of Bamboo plantations but I don't see them talking about what's going to happen when people get tired of bamboo flooring and we want to plant something else.
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                    Re: Kudzu

                    Wed, July 1, 2009 - 10:36 AM
                    Did you watch the kudzu film in the first link on it? It might charm you into liking it. There is a lot of misunderstanding about it.
                    • Re: Kudzu

                      Wed, July 1, 2009 - 11:13 AM
                      Here's come information about Kudzu. Most articles I found were not so generous in their descriptions.


                      "The native enemies of kudzu were not brought to the United States, and today kudzu causes millions of dollars in damage annually. In Mississippi, it is estimated that the forestry industry loses over $20 million a year because land which could be used for forestry is infested with kudzu. If kudzu is such a problem in the South, why is it not just eradicated? Several factors account for this. Most people simply weed their flower gardens by pulling the weeds up or spraying them. Kudzu roots grow down as deep at 4 meters, thus making it difficult to pull the plant out of the ground. Herbicides work but require repeated applications over an extended time, possibly 4 to 10 years. Aerial spraying is the most effective way to spray because all of the vine can be reached; however, this is expensive. Total eradication is necessary and must be followed up by revegetation of the land. Time and money must be invested to completely get rid of the pesty plant."


                      Anything that grows that fast and takes 4 to 10 years to remove is not something I like, no matter how useful it is. I did consider planting bamboo when I first moved here. But then I found out how invasive it can be and how it could crowd out everything else I planted. I also live in an area when people depend on farming for their livelihood. It didn't seem right for me to endanger their cropland with my plantings.

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