Walking through the solution

topic posted Sat, April 25, 2009 - 8:44 PM by  Scottica
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Hey group,
A bit of shameless back patting about to happen...

3 years ago I chose to take a stand and be responsible for creating a strong solution to climate change that anyone could follow.Also to demystify the web of green options each person has in front of them.

It became a software application that took every known source on going green I could find and summarize it into one place. During this research I also did the math needed, so every action has a specific savings in $ and CO2.
Knowing that the average person does not have the same amount of time to educate themselves...I created an online assessment that would give the program clarity into each persons unique options and give a day by day coaching plan on how to green their lifestyle.
No matter where you are starting from...skinny or huge footprint.
I have just finished and launched yesterday.
I am going to market the complete program for $29 and give $15 of that to a non-profit also needing money to further their own Global Warming solutions. It took some time to build those partnerships but they are good and solid programs.
Here is a bit more information and the URL
Please support this effort and spread it out to your connections( if you find it useful)
This has been a labor of love and I hope you find it useful.

PS. I have a certain number of "free" memberships I can give if you need it just email me through the website or here on Tribe.
PPS . WE DO NOT SELL ANY PRODUCTS

Going Green Today is an in-depth online program that looks at your lifestyle and creates simple green living options just for you. We give you an easy-to-follow action plan that walks you through reducing your carbon footprint by at least 35% and helping you to save $2000 this year.
visit us at
www.goinggreentoday.com
posted by:
Scottica
Portland
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  • Jim
    Jim
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    Re: Walking through the solution

    Sun, April 26, 2009 - 12:02 AM
    Nice website for showing your point of view. Clearly laid out. However, I must respectfully must disagree with some of the conclusions based on things I have read and seen on this hotly contested and exhaustively debated issue.

    I saw this last week in the news:

    news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/scien...8008473.stm

    As a microbiologist friend who was the one who pointed this out to me said, “Last time this sort of thing led to a little ice age, but the scientists say don't worry, the reduction of solar activity won't affect the rising temperature of the Earth. The IPCC says so, and they've got all those computer models to prove it dontcherknow. Ignore the last ten years of stable temperature measurements. If data conflicts with the theory the proper thing to do is invent new data.”

    Let me say at the outset that I am a not an atmospheric scientist (I am organic chemist with a graduate research degree), but I am also very skeptical of most claims out there concerning global warming. The climate has been changing (warming slightly) since the ‘Little Ice Age’. It also got much colder during the 'Little Ice Age' over the previous centuries, maybe because those Romans were not driving SUC's (Sport Utility Chariots) any more. That is something that has been measured. But since we still haven't reached the mean average temperatures prior to the 'Little Ice Age' of the later Middle Ages, I don't get too excited. The weather has never remained static throughout the history of our planet. So it is usually getting warmer or getting colder. No one has convinced me that global warming is worse than global cooling for humanity. On the other hand, the ‘Little Ice Age’ did show global cooling was very bad for crops and resulted human populations dropping from starvation. Here’s some stuff on that fun time of human history and current (last 5 years or so) trends:

    www2.sunysuffolk.edu/mandias...age.html

    www.grisda.org/origins/10051.htm

    www.lavoisier.com.au/article...2007.pdf

    www.lavoisier.com.au/article...bald.pdf

    english.pravda.ru/science/e..._ice_age-0

    www.theaustralian.news.com.au/sto...html

    www.dailytech.com/SunMakesH...e12823.htm

    So from everything I have seen to date, I suspect that yes the temperatures have been getting warmer at times (1980’s through late 1990’s) and cooler at times (1970’s, and to some extent the last 5-10 years). From the data and research I have seen, the hoax is the probably the idea that it is solely man's fault rather than natural cycle. We puny humans may have contributed a small amount, but probably not to the extent currently claimed. The number one greenhouse gas is still water vapor, by orders of magnitude. Good luck controlling that. Quite a large number (over 31 thousand) American scientists are also skeptical of the extent, reality, and causes of global warming. There is no 'consensus' since there has been a remarkable lack of reproducible, peer reviewed results:

    www.petitionproject.org/

    The Climate will fluctuate: it always has, it always will. Sometimes widely. 20,000 years ago, Chicago was buried under an ice sheet. Thank God for global warming long before SUV’s! I believe that there are other problems facing this beat up old world of ours that need greater concern from all of us. One book on the subject of global warming that everyone looking into this debate ought to get and read is Bjorn Lomborg’s “Cool It!” Lomborg started out as an ardent environmentalist and is also a statistics professor. I read that when he got tired of skeptics knocking him for his views he decided to prove them wrong. To his surprise much of the environmental data doesn’t support the claims it purports when rigorously tested. His website is good for a quick look around and even has links to some interesting stuff:

    www.lomborg.com/

    As well as some of the late Michael Crichton’s speeches:

    www.crichton-official.com/speec...e.html

    www.crichton-official.com/speec...g.html

    www.crichton-official.com/speec...n.html

    As I said I am skeptical on the claimed causes of warming and the dangers claimed if it continues. As one example, remember we were told right after Hurricane Katrina that because of global warming we could expect several Katrina's each year now? We have not seen that prediction come true for the past 4 years and hopefully we don't to the extent predicted 4 years ago:

    www.skepticalscience.com/Did-g...a.html

    I also feel that if the climate is going to change and not remain static over long time frames, warming is preferred to global cooling based on the adverse effects of historical cooling in the past. The current climate models that I have seen cited are really good at predicting the past, but very poor at predicting the future. I tend to distrust weather predictions made a week in advance, much less a century.

    From an energy and pollution perspective, I tend to favor future use and expansion of nuclear, wind where applicable, solar energy where applicable. Of biofuels, corn ethanol has major problems in scale-up and efficiencies. As shown in this past week’s article on California’s study of the effects of ethanol addition to fuel in relation to global warming shows:

    www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php

    In my opinion after some research in the area, I think biodiesel (over ethanol) looks more promising for a long term liquid fuel possibility, and some of the algal based biodiesel research looks VERY promising if it can be scaled up.
    • Re: Walking through the solution

      Sun, April 26, 2009 - 9:24 AM
      Thanks for all the interesting links Jim.

      Although I think we should all be more aware of our ' footprint', I don't think CO2 should be our main worry.
      How they convinced us all that CO2 is the problem is beyond me.
      • Jim
        Jim
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        Re: Walking through the solution

        Sun, April 26, 2009 - 9:11 PM
        I don't think it's a case of CO2 being the "cause" of global warming. A number of things from water vapor, to methane, axially tilt of the planet, and probably most importantly sun activity may all contribute to warmer temperatures. I just haven't been convinced that it is too terribly bad, or that humans are anything but minor players. It does seem very reactive that some pretty oddball things and fairly radical things have been proposed to curb rising temperatures. Like a 'cow and pig tax'. There's something to make food more affordable to the masses:

        www.prisonplanet.com/cow-tax...tax.html

        animals.howstuffworks.com/mamma...ow.htm

        But like most things, when life gives you lemons make lemonaid. It turns out that sticky green stuff the cows produce can also be used in biomass converters. Again there are problems in efficiencies in scale-up. For biofuels, as I said previously, ethanol has some very real drawbacks. Currently, some of the biodeisel avenues look very promising. There could be some future use of ethanol if the technology of cellulose fermentation improves drastically, but corn as derived from ethanol currently doesn't look like a viable long-term solution to to our energy and environmental problems from everything I have read. Even my old school, Oregon State University, has been on the front lines of some biofuel research. It will be interesting to see what the future holds:

        oregonstate.edu/dept/ncs/n...eactors.htm

        As far as climate change is concerned, I am reasonably sure that in the future our planet will have periods where it gets warmer and periods when it gets colder. I tend to think it hubris that we believe we humans can stop things in their tracks at some climatic 'optimum'. Nobody has even determined what such an optimum is and how we can even maintain it when we actually do reach it. I do think we should minimize our impact as much as we can as individuals, but once the political process gets involved, then things get very sticky and can change often and quickly. Depending on what is politically fahionable (or 'politically correct' as Mao coined the phrase), we can't always even be sure that the policies adopted will in fact have the politically desired consequences. One very humorous example was in the Brittish news this past week. Remember how donuts are bad for you and being a fried food can cause long term health and heart problems? Turns out that now a government commitee (the EU) has determined that donuts are in fact good (and can be marketed as such) for you since they meet the adopted labeling criteria of nutritious foods! Really, I'm not making this up:

        www.independent.co.uk/life-st...411.html

        Personally, I don't plan on piging out on donuts since I still tend to think common sense dictates that obesity is not conducive to longevity. Even if we change our 'daffynitions' of what is healthy, calling a pig a duck doesn'y make it into one. Still, I won't feel so guilty now of the occasional indulgence......

        Now if we can keep more science in the climate change research and hopefully remove the political elements of a command and control economic power grab we will all do better. All I can say is that based on the current level of science and conflicting predictions, what will actually happen climatically next is anyone's guess.

        Now if someone can just get to work on the Y5B problem.......

        www.y5b.com/

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