aint it the truth

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I was talking to a friend of mine's little girl, and she said she wanted
to be President some day. Both of her parents, liberal Democrats, were
standing there, so I asked her, 'If you were President what would be the
first thing you would do?'

She replied, 'I'd give houses to all the homeless people.'

'Wow...what a worthy goal' I told her, 'You don't have to wait until
you're President to do that. You can come over to my house and mow, pull
weeds, and sweep my yard, and I'll pay you $50. Then I'll take you over
to the grocery store where the homeless guy hangs out, and you can give
him the $50 to use toward a new house.'


She thought that over for a few seconds while her Mom glared at me,
then she looked me straight in the eye and asked, 'Why doesn't the
homeless guy come over and do the work, and you can just pay him the
$50?'



And I said, 'Welcome to the Republican Party.'
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  • Re: aint it the truth

    Tue, August 26, 2008 - 11:45 AM
    LOL, great story
    • Re: aint it the truth

      Tue, August 26, 2008 - 1:03 PM
      I dont know anyone who is in favor of giving something to someone who is willing and able to work for it. I dont know many rich people, not really, but If I was, Iwould be more willing to give someone something for nothing.

      If someone is willing and able to work and decides not to.. then that person is on their own. I would not willingly give them a dime. In fact, they could freeze, starve, or die of a heat stroke asfaras I'm concerned.

      There are circumstances where people need help. I am for that. Not for an extended period of time unless they are disabled, physically or mentally. I dont mind my taxes helping those who are indeed in need.

      I dont like parties. I am a registered Demo in NM. I voted for Obama in the primaries and will again in November. Adios
      • Re: aint it the truth

        Tue, August 26, 2008 - 3:13 PM
        then, timster, i proffer that with your vote - you are going to be giving a lot of able bodied people services for free.
        • Re: aint it the truth

          Tue, August 26, 2008 - 5:07 PM
          That is National Enquirer fodder to be dismissed. There will always be welfare, food stamps, social security benefits. Also, some people will be able to take advantage of these programs. They require strict oversight.

          >> i proffer that with your vote - you are going to be giving a lot of able bodied people services for free. <<

          This, I think, is merely a warm pile of bullshit that attracts flies and other insects.
        • Re: aint it the truth

          Tue, August 26, 2008 - 5:26 PM
          The "welfare queens" driving Cadillacs around at public expense was one of Reagan's favorite fairy tales . . . and in any case, it is way, way, out of date . . . the welfare system was gutted in the Clinton administration:

          www.nytimes.com/2006/08/22...linton.html

          About 90% of federal expenses fall in five categories considered untouchable:

          1. Defense
          2. Social Security
          3. Medicare
          4. Medicaid
          5. Debt service

          Neither McCain nor anybody else is talking seriously about major cuts in any of these. (He does talk a lot about cutting earmarks, which amount to less than 1% of the budget, and in most cases simply move the money from one part of the budget to another.)

          Still, every time an election rolls around the party of "smaller government" starts talking about government waste and bums on welfare . . . When was the last time they actually cut federal spending? I can tell you exactly when, it was in 1955:

          www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/.../hist.html

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            Re: aint it the truth

            Tue, August 26, 2008 - 5:34 PM
            Well if he means by cutting earmarks he means all the weapons systems that fall in everyones district then I'm all for that. Cut the DoD by 50% and they will still be over funded.
            • Re: aint it the truth

              Tue, August 26, 2008 - 7:08 PM
              The DoD is way UNDERfunded for what they are trying to do with it: nation-building efforts costing hundreds of billions. No wonder the Russians laugh at us, our troops are all tied down chasing a handful of ragtag insurgents. We have no way of responding to the incursion in Georgia. And today, they threatened Poland and the Ukraine.

              my.earthlink.net/article/top

              If Russia invades the Urkraine, then what? More empty blustering from the White House, from a President who doing everything to reduce our once-mighty nation to a contemptible has-been . . .
              • Re: aint it the truth

                Tue, August 26, 2008 - 7:10 PM
                "The DoD is way UNDERfunded for what they are trying to do with it: nation-building efforts costing hundreds of billions. No wonder the Russians laugh at us, our troops are all tied down chasing a handful of ragtag insurgents. We have no way of responding to the incursion in Georgia. And today, they threatened Poland and the Ukraine. "

                I'm sure the irony makes it all the more entertaining
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                Re: aint it the truth

                Wed, August 27, 2008 - 6:19 AM
                I belive that manynation in the world have shown us that you can build a nation without hundred of billions of dollars. You just can't do it at the point of a gun without hundreds of billions of dollars.
              • Re: aint it the truth

                Wed, August 27, 2008 - 8:16 PM
                <<The DoD is way UNDERfunded for what they are trying to do with it:>>

                Key phase being, " for what they are trying to do with it". Nation building should be an international effort. The idea that the American public should shoulder the burden for rebuilding a country is insane. I'm all for lifting people out of poverty and oppression but we can't do it alone. The US military is not the savior of the world.
  • Re: aint it the truth

    Tue, August 26, 2008 - 11:13 PM
    Most homeless people do work. They are not always the people pushing shopping carts. The problem is that money rarely represents the true amount of work people do.
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      Re: aint it the truth

      Wed, August 27, 2008 - 6:14 AM
      you are full of it------most homeless do not work---back up your statement-----most homeless are that way because they don't want to work---either way, they are a very tiny % of society and don't really matter
      • No truth here, just a moron.

        Wed, August 27, 2008 - 10:03 AM
        Jeebuz you ignorant slut. Want has little to do with it. A great many of them are mentally ill, and incapable of holding down a job, even a "special needs" one like yours. While I grant you that there are some that stand on street corners with signs and beg for change, and then go home to a nice house at the end of the day, they cannot thus be counted as homeless, just as lazy ass Americans, grifting to get by.
        True homelessness has many aspects to it, and it is as much a lie that they all like being homelss as that welfare mothers are all grifters. In short, more ignorant crapaganda from classless know-nothings to be soaked up by those who care not to pay attention to the actual problems and causes and just wish it would go away. I know, it requires actually thinking, and this is a handicap in your case, but the reality is much deeper than your uninformed attempt at dehumanization. Go kick a puppy already.
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          Re: No truth here, just a moron.

          Wed, August 27, 2008 - 10:30 AM
          poor Malv.---has bought into the redistribution of wealth from the nobama camp. wouldnt it be great if everyone had a job, if everyone had healthcare....blah, blah, blah------the homeless are that way because they choose to be. If it isn;t too far above your 3rd grade reading level Malv., may i suggest a great book by Larry Wingett---" You're broke because you want to be"--it is a great read......although it doesn't have many pictures for you.......i am sure you will be able to struggle thru it, and even be able to grasp some of the simple concepts.........if you need help with the big words...just email me !!!!
          • Re: No truth here, just a moron.

            Wed, August 27, 2008 - 10:58 AM
            No wonder you are spouting idiot philosophy, you are reading books by idiots. Few are homeless by choice. Some are, but give them a choice and see what they take. Read some studies, and give up the Dark Side philosophy. Its a lie and you look the fool for believing in it.

            FYI, I've not bought in to any redistribution philosophies. I know better. You'll never get anyone to release their money while money controls access to food. Even if they have more money than God, they'll never give it up unless you incentivize the process. Unless you are talking about drug-addled celebs, who burn through insane personal fortunes within a few years of success. They can't keep money anyway. But the hardcore sociopathic folks who spit on people from their ivory tower and devise ignorant dehumanizing philosophies to justify their bastardliness and greed? They never let even a dime go, and thus become part of the problem. I don't begrudge anyone having wealth, per se. Its when they act like an ass about it, and advocate heartless social policy based on these same specious reasonings I think they need to be poor for a while, so they can catch a clue and truly appreciate the reality before opening their fat mouths again.

            I understand that business school has the highest rate of cheating in classes. Tells you something...

            You're living a lie Greggy. Living a lie.
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              Re: No truth here, just a moron.

              Wed, August 27, 2008 - 11:11 AM
              BEFORE YOU SHOW YOUR OWN STUPIDITY AGAIN---YOU SHOULD READ THE BOOK---PEOPLE WHO HAVE MONEY WERE VERY RARELY BORN THAT WAY----THEY EARNED IT AS THEY WENT ALONG IN LIFE---AS LEAST THAT IS WHAT I DID AND MOST OF MY FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS------OF COURSE I AM NOT GOING TO GIVE IT UP TO FAT, LAZY BASTDARDS WHO WON'T WORK---WHY MAKE RICH PEOPLE PAY FOR THEIR HARD WORK?---IT IS OUR MONEY, WE EARNED IT---MAKING US GIVE IT AWAY THRU " INCENTIVES" IS NOTHING SHORT OF COMMUNISM----IF YOU ARE IN LOVE WITH THAT SYSTEM....I SUGGEST YOU MOVE ELSEWHERE------AS LONG AS YOU LIVE IN MY COUNTRY, THEN YOU ARE GOING TO JUST HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE FACT THAT THERE ARE HAVES AND HAVE-NOTS-----FUCK YOU


              WHO IS GREGG??-------YOU STILL ARE AVOIDING THE QUESTION, UNLESS THE REASON IS THAT YOU HAVE NO ANSWER, BECAUSE IT IS ALL IN YOUR HEAD---------DO YOU NEED YOUR MEDS YOU POOR LITTLE BOY?
              • Re: No truth here, just a moron.

                Wed, August 27, 2008 - 11:27 AM
                Lulz for me. You went to all caps. I win. Nice tantrum, infant.

                Here's the studies that refute your childish selfish attitude towards the homeless, by the way.

                en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeless

                people.howstuffworks.com/homeless2.htm

                coe.west.asu.edu/homeless/myths.htm

                This one is a PDF, you can print it out and memorize it before you open your toothless spunksucker again:
                www.nhchc.org/Curriculum/...lessness.pdf

                And you are wrong again on the communism aspersion as well. See in communism they take from you and give you nothing back. I would propose a system in which anything voluntarily given is given back in the form of a tax credit whose value exceeds the amount donated to an approved private source,w hich can include everything from relief organizations to schools. So you pay even less taxes, keep more wealth, and other people get what they need too. You become part of the solution, and no longer part of the problem. You're helping your country, so you should be rewarded by your country, not just paid let off the hook. Interested yet?

                Also, I have no need to prove what is obvious to everyone. Gregg/ED/Jonny/Jeebuz. Same goobernatorial troll, different alt. Yawn. Wake me up when you get something original going on.
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                  Re: No truth here, just a moron.

                  Wed, August 27, 2008 - 11:35 AM
                  still can't tell me or prove who Gregg is..???----------just like you critisized me reading suggestion to you-----yours is useless drivel and bullshit-------and yet you feel the need to comment on my threads------who is the gubernatorial troll?????
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                    Re: No truth here, just a moron.

                    Wed, August 27, 2008 - 11:49 AM
                    And now you can't even construct a coherent sentence! I'm going away for awhile while you calm down, Sonny Jim. Play the fool all you like trying to pretend you aren't the same person that has claimed not to know who Gregg is using the exact same sentence structure, racial and class-based bigotry, and excessive use of periods and hypens. You're the only one claiming not to know, just like the other 3 times. Everyone else knows its obvious. You can take the boy out of the slums, but not the slums out of the boy I guess. Where you from before you made your fortunes, mister self-made? What are you running from?
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                      Re: No truth here, just a moron.

                      Wed, August 27, 2008 - 11:51 AM
                      i am an alt. of Brent-------------you are a complete idiot Malv.-------just admit it-----you are wrong
                      • Re: No truth here, just a moron.

                        Wed, August 27, 2008 - 4:44 PM
                        Not at all. Even if you truly are an alt of Brent then you are the same alt he's been running since the days of Gregg. Either way, I am still right.

                        Does Brent know you are impersonating him by the way? Considering you are violating the TOU left and right, he might want to speak to Tribe about you impersonating him, so his main ID doesn't get booted when you do. They can do that you know...

                        You have a serious case of Wolf In Mouth syndrome. You should see a doctor about that.

                        -Medico Supremo


              • Re: No truth here, just a moron.

                Wed, August 27, 2008 - 11:43 AM
                >>PEOPLE WHO HAVE MONEY WERE VERY RARELY BORN THAT WAY

                Not true. Comparative studies show that social mobility in the U.S. is much lower than in other industrialized countries:

                Earlier Cohorts - Fathers’ Single-Year Earnings as Measure of Status – Two year average of son’s earnings.

                Country ------- Partial Correlation Between Parents' Income and Sons'
                US -------------- .289
                UK -------------- .271
                W. Germany - .171
                Canada ------- .143

                ". . . the extent of intergenerational mobility for sons is lowest in the UK and US, is at intermediate levels for West Germany and is highest for the Scandinavian countries. . . . When considered on a consistent basis (relating sons’ earnings to parental income) the intergenerational association increases over time."

                www.suttontrust.com/reports/...ility.pdf

                Capitalizing things doesn't make them true, by the way.


                • Re: No truth here, just a moron.

                  Wed, August 27, 2008 - 1:29 PM
                  I know that's right..

                  >>What would we do without all these jerks anyway? <<

                  Don Henley
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                    Re: No truth here, just a moron.

                    Wed, August 27, 2008 - 9:48 PM
                    A large (very large) fraction of the homeless today are vets of the Iraq (I and II) conflicts. We the people allowed our government officials to create this class of homeless, we the people have a responsibility to the vets we ased to do our dirty work (ok not ours but our gov. lunatics) bidding. We the people should help this group of homeless and any of the other groups be put onto the street.
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                      Re: No truth here, just a moron.

                      Thu, August 28, 2008 - 6:01 AM
                      i agree---the vets should come first
                      • Re: No truth here, just a moron.

                        Thu, August 28, 2008 - 8:14 AM
                        True. The vets have different avenues and hopefully better, avenues to receive assistence once they return.
                        Many of their disablities are mental disabilities which are often much harder to treat than an obvious injury.
                        I remember a few years ago when officials discovered the conditions at Walter Reed hospital. It was horrbile. I think things have improved since.
                        Obama helped the vets by getting legislation secured in the Senate when he first got there. I feel he is a man who has always put helping people who cant help themselves first. I feel that will not change as a lot of other things will when he gets in office.
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                          Re: No truth here, just a moron.

                          Thu, August 28, 2008 - 8:23 AM
                          i think the best person to help a vet is a vet. Somehow, Nobama didn't feel a responsibility to serve his country in the armed forces...therefore in my opinion he has no credibility in this area. As a Desert Storm vet---my vote is with McCain
                          • Re: No truth here, just a moron.

                            Thu, August 28, 2008 - 8:59 AM
                            Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition

                            By a vote of 75-22, the Senate approved an expanded version of the GI bill today. Proposed by Sen. Jim Webb, D-Va., it's the biggest expansion of the bill in the past quarter-century, according to the New York Times. But it has also been opposed by, among others, President Bush and presumptive Republican presidential nominee John McCain.

                            Bush, McCain and the others who've opposed Webb's bill argue that the expanded provisions -- the government would pay tuition and expenses at a four-year public university for anyone who spent three years in the military after 9/11 -- will hurt the military's efforts to retain its troops. Bush has threatened to veto Webb's bill, and McCain introduced one of his own. He did not vote today.

                            The vote provoked some heated rhetoric between McCain and Barack Obama. Speaking from the floor of the Senate, Obama said, "I respect Sen. John McCain's service to our country ... But I can't understand why he would line up behind the President in his opposition to this GI Bill. I can't believe why he believes it is too generous to our veterans."

                            www.salon.com/politics/wa.../22/gi_bill/
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    Re: aint it the truth

    Thu, August 28, 2008 - 12:18 PM
    your story make me cry

    you don't know how emotional am I

    no matter the democrats or the republicans

    the homeless are good business for charity and non profit organization

    for one homeless, somebody alls have good job

    that's the system

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