Police Break 60 Year Old Homeless Woman's Arm

I find it ironic that Cliff has thought that the left is demanding entitlements. But has no issue about the rich being entitled to have luxeries at the expense of others without even working for them.

When the homeless are clogging every intersection and every park it's time to run 'em out of town.
They are there to take advantage of things other people paid for and they are not entitled to it.
They didn't pay for the parks they litter up and pollute and overrun
They didn't pay for the sidewalks they clog up driving pedestrians out into traffic.
The didn't pay for the bridges they shelter under.
They didn't pay for the streets where they interfere with traffic while begging.

They are mostly worthless human trash that does nothing but degrade the quality of life for those who actually paid for the community and it's appointments.

AA maybe?

*************Your lack of knowledge about people who are homeless is astounding.******


Yah it is isn’t it. I’m blushing because my lack of knowledge is merely first hand (having been truly homeless) personal experience combined with studying for my Masters of Social Work at BU and having been a Public Defender. So yah I guess I really don’t know shit.
After all I just know that you are going to whip out a few heart break stories and try to shame me with them because somewhere along the way you got yourself convinced that these anecdotal stories are universal and the fact for all persons who live out of doors.

(Already you are sounding crazy and I haven’t even looked at what you wrote.)



********* It is the society and its chosen method of dealing with people that has made the homeless what they are.**********

Yah it is society’s fault. That makes sense. Not.

********** I work in a homeless shelter (as a fundraiser) and today I interviewed two people for a newsletter that I'm sending to donors who may be interested in assisting us. So let me introduce you to two people who are currently residing at a shelter and who have been homeless: *********

Oh goody anecdotal information.

**********A male, age 37 (looks like 57). Let's call him Robert. Robert was adopted at age 2 (his mother was single and decided he would be better served by a family who was more settled). The family who adopted him used physical abuse on a daily basis. He was also sexually abused from the age of 4 until he left at 13. Robert tried to do what he could to please his parents but nothing he ever did worked. He did piano lessons because his adoptive mother insisted - he wasn't musically inclined and this was an additional torture. ******
STOP~!!
Aside from the fact that almost everything you just articulated is unverified crap from a person with a motive and means to invent it - and possibly is crazy to boot - - you are calling piano lessons torture?

Really Deb your predilection for off the wall overstatement is getting the best of you.
But I digress.

*********Robert also did public speaking contests because his adoptive father's service club sponsored these and he was expected to pump up his father's image by winning. Robert is a very shy man - he hated all of these public performances. All he wanted was to get help for the hidden problems in the family - like the physical and sexual abuse which were hidden. By age 13, he couldn't tolerate the pain any longer and left for the big city to try to find somewhere to be away from the pain.********

Wow~!! I have Robbie beat. I was ten when I hit the street. And you don’t hear any litany of poor, poor, pitiful me crap from me do you?

But I digress.

********** He ended up on the street in Toronto because there were no services available to him that he could locate.*********

You mean entitlem,ent programs that would house him for free?

I worked my way across the north east in winter living out of doors and offering myself to dairy farmers and such for food and shelter. God damn some of them dairy farmer women can cook.

But my insistence on self reliance and personal industry is so not PC so I guess I digress.


*********Robert turned to drugs when he was about 14 to escape the pain of the street and being forced into the sex trade.********


Ohh the pain ohh the pain.

What tripe~!! Like every one else, he did dope cause it was cool and was fun to be stoned. End of story.


******** Eventually when Robert was about 32, he got some of the counselling help he needed.

READ: Robbie started to grow up.

***********He worked full time on overnights in a wet shelter trying to help others while he attended college full time to get a Social Work diploma.*******

See? I did the same thing. Every one needs to grow up.

********During this time he also mentored six hard-to-house mental health survivors on a weekly basis. Robert started to feel that he was developing an identity that belonged to him - he's a good listener and he can help others with good advice.******

Yup I took that path. Ministry, Seminary emphasis on pastoral counseling, wanted to do a Psych Phd settled for an MSW instead. Eventually I got over the fucked up need to deal with my own shit by dealing with other people’s shit. In other words I just dealt with my own shit.

*********Then one day a couple of years ago, Robert received a phone call from his adoptive sister calling for help. **********

Oh poor Robbie. This is the one part of the story where I really feel for the guy. He ain’t over his own shit and Sissy Space Kadet calls – and – right when he is at his peak of thinking that other people’s shit is the golden path to dealing with his own. Poor Robbie, I can see where this is going.


***********Robert returned to the small village he is from to confront his adoptive parents (you know the type, the high society do-gooders who hide their problems behind closed doors - and since I happen to have known this couple before I met Robert I can tell you that this is exactly the type that they are - their s**t doesn't stink, in their opinion but they sure have a lot to say about others).**********

How many sentences was that all rolled into one?
Confront? Confront? What earthly good would confrontation do~? He either owes them a painful death or he doesn’t - there is nothing in between.


******** He tried to help his sister get the counselling assistance she needed but he fell back into an addiction to deal with his own pain. Robert ended up here at the homeless shelter after his sister committed suicide.***********

Ya mean Sissy Space Kadet offered him a hit. He said “no, no, I have reformed” she pushed him and eventually he broke down and slipped the binkie in his arm. And suddenly all the goodness of heroin swooshed over him like a long lost friend.

I know the feeling. He should have been able to walk away.
Suddenly Robbie isn’t getting my love.


**********Society has hurt a very vulnerable person (an introvert who is a caring soul). ******

Ohh bullshit~!! Society didn’t do a thing to him. He’s a causality of human frailties it’s nothing more exciting than that. He was born, the birth wasn’t the best, he had issues, the people he found himself among had issues, no one managed to do what they should have and it all went to shit. That is all there is to it.

*******Society hiding its problems in a closet has hurt this human.********

Ohh bullshit~!! Robbie was merely less than fortunate in so many ways.
How many of them were his own damn fault?
According to you his every waking moment was a long litany of him being some one else’s victim and never his own.

The math fails it doesn’t add up. Sooner or later Robbie has to stand on his feet, by himself, for the first time in his life.

*********Robert is a decent human being who was preyed upon by people who remain highly visible "pretend" leaders in their community.********

Yah, Yah sure, sure. He caught a few shitty breaks and lacked the personal character to overcome. Almost got there but, it was his own personal choices that led him to fail. No one held his ass on the floor and slipped him a needle.


*********Here at our shelter Robert is trying to put together an identity that he can live with in a healthy way.********

That is nice.

*********He needs the time and space to put this together before we send him out on his own in the world again. Would you deny him this?**********

I’d not step out of my way to provide it. If you wish to spend your time doing so then that is your choice. So don’t ask me whether I’d deny - it’s not my problem.

***********Then there's our other interviewee for today: a female, age 18 (let's call her Lisa). Lisa was raised by her mother and a step-father (since she was 3) in a small village. The step-father sexually molested Lisa (and her sister) since she was 9. Lisa told her mother and this woman couldn't accept that this could be happening. Lisa started to act up at school. She was suspended for being loud during quiet studies when she was in grade 8. By the time she was in grade 10, she was skipping school regularly. Lisa says this is because she was trying to get someone to listen to her and every time she told someone her mother would deny it.********

Something about unverifiable allegations not being the most compelling - -

******Not until Lisa's younger sister also made this complaint at school was an investigation by Children's Services undertaken.******

Yah here in the states us Yastards in each state have some version of a Div. of Youth and Family Services that simply refuses to go to the projects where most of the abuse is. They prefer condominiums and suburban homes where there are fewer guns. Go figure.


********* The girls were removed from the home and put in a foster home when Lisa was 15, the step-father left the home and then the girls were returned. The mother however invited the step-father back into the home and after six months of good behaviour, the sexual abuse continued.*******

Let the girls back in the same building with their molester~?? WHAT ~?~?
HA HA Canada is really soft on child molesters isn’t it? Don’t get me started on that one.

*********Lisa was so far behind in high school that she was repeating grade 10 and skipped school regularly. She was given a permanent suspension and told to leave the school and never return.***********


HA HA I got tossed from school when they found I didn’t have any parents. The reason: “No taxes being paid = no schooling it costs money – go away kid, ya bother me.”

I refused to be a ward of the state. I didn’t trust the state. Still don’t.


*********Since her 16th birthday [yadda yadda sad story, kid with no out of doors experience in the middle of the winter] She looked up shelters online and found our place. She has stayed here since then. Lisa is now completing her high school studies and is about to write her GED diploma. Her intention is to work for one year and establish an apartment, then go to college in Sept. 2009. Personally I hope she succeeds, she is a wonderful spirit and decent human. *******

I hope so too.

**********Now that you know about how a person might end up homeless possibly you will reconsider some of your position.********

Nope. Been there done that. Beat it with no help from the likes of you or your ilk.

********Most of the people who I have met since being in this job (October 2007), are better humans than the families they come from. Usually they have been bullied or abused to the point where they have chosen an addiction to be able to squash the pain or they've been driven to mental health problems.***********

Every one gets bullied every one gets beat. Most of the time I ran with a much rougher crowd than what you describe. Bikers, pimps, dopers, hitters- you name it - really awful people, the fringe of the fringe.

*********Given your attitude to the people who are experiencing homelessness, Cliff, I would much rather break bread with most of them than with you or with nearly anyone else who expresses some of the same ignorance toward this issue that you do.*******

Well that is a marvelously supercilious arrogant tone and thing to say.

Das Hokay sugar britches. You don’t have to break bread with me. At any rate you insistence that these anecdotal tales are indicative of the whole of the homeless population or even a meaningful part of it is pure fluff and hype.



******** The only redemption I see********

I don’t need to be redeemed by you or any one else sugar britches. I redeemed myself.

**********Until then your opinion on this subject has no validity and is not based in reality, in my opinion.********

See? What a smarmy assed little shit you can be. Ask me if I care.
Quick the moment is passing.

Thanks for the stories of those two people Deb.

There are many stories behind chronic homelessness, and I'm often shocked by the hatred some fee