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Is Global Warming Just a Myth? Response to Jim
In this mailing:
1. Jim's response to "Take the Profit Out of Global Warming and War, Nationalize the Oil Industry" www.indybay.org/newsitems/...8501994.php
2. Steven Argue's Counter Argument to Jim.
1. Jim's response to "Take the Profit Out of Global Warming and War, Nationalize the Oil Industry" www.indybay.org/newsitems/...8501994.php
Funny thing about "consensus" about the so called "warming". ..There's no such thing as consensus in science. A fact either is, or it isn't. Several hundreds of years ago, the "consensus" was the earth is flat. 30 years ago, the consensus was there was global cooling.
Here's some actual facts for you Steve. ....
1). Global Climate Change happens. It's called weather. Earth cools, and has ice ages. Earth warms and dinosaurs florish. It is the height of human ego to think that right this moment in Earth History, is the best moment. Right now is the best for humans, so we must keep it just like this. Weather happens Steve, deal with it.
2). Just this past week, 31,000 scientists issued a report that climate warming is not happening, and in fact, the next ten years will see a cooling trend. 900 of the 31,000 have PHD's in Climatology.
3). CO2 is plant food. The more we can produce, the better the plants will grow, the less the rain will cause erosion, and the more food will be available for animals . CO2 is a good thing. Necessary for life.
4). Just this past week, one of your nut job global warming "scientists" proposed pumping sulfer into the atmosphere to block the Sun, to cool the Earth. ...Acid rain anyone ?
5). Your "cool earth" solutions include "green" light bulbs that contain mercury. Drop and break one, and you just turned your house into a toxic waste dump. Another "cool" "solution" is to turn our food into fuel, causing world wide food shortages.
6). The 'global warming caused by humans" is just a game being played by socialists to try to gain control of money and taxes and industry and to, in particular, bring harm to the US economy. (Your above post provides a nice example of this kind of repressive mentality.)
Maybe when you get a little older, and hopefully wiser, you will have enough life experiences to realise that stuff happens. Earthquakes happen, that's how you get mountains. Floods happen, thats how mountains wear down to make the plains and delta's. Volcanos happen, that's how the soil gets repenished by ash which is a great fertilizer.
It's called Weather, Steve.
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2. Steven Argue's Counter Argument to Jim.
I looked over Jim's points here, and thought, wow, I must be wrong. Just kidding.
I thought it was rather funny being told that CO2 is plant food. Obviously, plants, with sunlight, do convert CO2 into sugars, starches, and cellulose. You'll get that in photosynthesis 101. The problem here is that there is now more CO2 in the atmosphere, and this is heating up the planet.
This one was particularly absurd as well:
"2). Just this past week, 31,000 scientists issued a report that climate warming is not happening, and in fact, the next ten years will see a cooling trend. 900 of the 31,000 have PHD's in Climatology."
I looked up the petition online, here it is:
www.oism.org/pproject/GWPetition.pdf
Well, since anybody can print it out and send it in, and put just about anything they want in the blanks, it's essentially worthless.
I'm thinking of sending some in for Jim...which box should I check? B.S., M.S., or Ph.D.? You seem so knowledgeable about CO2 as being plant food; maybe we should just check Ph.D. And since you are so aware of global warming being “called weather, Steve”, why don’t we just make that a Ph.D. in climatology.
Sorry, couldn't resist...
“Against stupidity the very gods themselves contend in vain.” - Friedrich Schiller
As for pumping sulfur into the atmosphere to slow global warming, this has been proposed by the Nobel Prize winning chemist Paul Crutzen. Crutzen wrote of this proposal that the preferred way to do things would be to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, "However, so far, attempts in that direction have been grossly unsuccessful." There would be a number of problems caused by Paul Crutzen’s proposal, but it is a desperate attempt to search for solutions to an extreme problem. What is really needed is a reduction greenhouse gas emissions.
On the question of bio-fuels, this is not a solution to global warming, and I have been actively opposing the idea. The following is a quote from one of my earlier articles, “Clinton and Obama: Failures on War and Global Warming”, I wrote:
“On the biggest question facing humanity, human caused global warming, both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are ignoring the urgent proposals of global warming experts and instead put forward conservative proposals of carbon credit trading for big corporations and proposals for so-called “cleaner” fuels for cars. Carbon credit trading, giving big corporations the “right” to buy and sell the “right” to pollute, will undermine the ability to pass other legislation that can better curb carbon pollution. And the “cleaner” bio-fuels being proposed make no substantial difference because it takes energy involving carbon emissions to grow the plants used to make bio-fuels. In addition, rainforests that would help remove global warming causing carbon from the atmosphere are being cleared to grow bio-fuels. To make matters worse, converting food-stuffs and croplands to bio-fuels increases world food prices, causing increased world hunger.”
Obviously when Jim says, “Another 'cool' 'solution' is to turn our food into fuel, causing world wide food shortages," it is an attempt to smear me and the Cool Earth Party for what, in fact, the oil companies are doing in converting food to fuels that contribute to global warming and hunger. If you want to blame someone Jim, look at the oil companies who produce ethanol, global warming, wars, hunger, and absurd propaganda about how carbon emissions are good for the planet because CO2 is “plant food”.
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In this mailing:
1. Jim's response to "Take the Profit Out of Global Warming and War, Nationalize the Oil Industry" www.indybay.org/newsitems/...8501994.php
2. Steven Argue's Counter Argument to Jim.
1. Jim's response to "Take the Profit Out of Global Warming and War, Nationalize the Oil Industry" www.indybay.org/newsitems/...8501994.php
Funny thing about "consensus" about the so called "warming". ..There's no such thing as consensus in science. A fact either is, or it isn't. Several hundreds of years ago, the "consensus" was the earth is flat. 30 years ago, the consensus was there was global cooling.
Here's some actual facts for you Steve. ....
1). Global Climate Change happens. It's called weather. Earth cools, and has ice ages. Earth warms and dinosaurs florish. It is the height of human ego to think that right this moment in Earth History, is the best moment. Right now is the best for humans, so we must keep it just like this. Weather happens Steve, deal with it.
2). Just this past week, 31,000 scientists issued a report that climate warming is not happening, and in fact, the next ten years will see a cooling trend. 900 of the 31,000 have PHD's in Climatology.
3). CO2 is plant food. The more we can produce, the better the plants will grow, the less the rain will cause erosion, and the more food will be available for animals . CO2 is a good thing. Necessary for life.
4). Just this past week, one of your nut job global warming "scientists" proposed pumping sulfer into the atmosphere to block the Sun, to cool the Earth. ...Acid rain anyone ?
5). Your "cool earth" solutions include "green" light bulbs that contain mercury. Drop and break one, and you just turned your house into a toxic waste dump. Another "cool" "solution" is to turn our food into fuel, causing world wide food shortages.
6). The 'global warming caused by humans" is just a game being played by socialists to try to gain control of money and taxes and industry and to, in particular, bring harm to the US economy. (Your above post provides a nice example of this kind of repressive mentality.)
Maybe when you get a little older, and hopefully wiser, you will have enough life experiences to realise that stuff happens. Earthquakes happen, that's how you get mountains. Floods happen, thats how mountains wear down to make the plains and delta's. Volcanos happen, that's how the soil gets repenished by ash which is a great fertilizer.
It's called Weather, Steve.
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2. Steven Argue's Counter Argument to Jim.
I looked over Jim's points here, and thought, wow, I must be wrong. Just kidding.
I thought it was rather funny being told that CO2 is plant food. Obviously, plants, with sunlight, do convert CO2 into sugars, starches, and cellulose. You'll get that in photosynthesis 101. The problem here is that there is now more CO2 in the atmosphere, and this is heating up the planet.
This one was particularly absurd as well:
"2). Just this past week, 31,000 scientists issued a report that climate warming is not happening, and in fact, the next ten years will see a cooling trend. 900 of the 31,000 have PHD's in Climatology."
I looked up the petition online, here it is:
www.oism.org/pproject/GWPetition.pdf
Well, since anybody can print it out and send it in, and put just about anything they want in the blanks, it's essentially worthless.
I'm thinking of sending some in for Jim...which box should I check? B.S., M.S., or Ph.D.? You seem so knowledgeable about CO2 as being plant food; maybe we should just check Ph.D. And since you are so aware of global warming being “called weather, Steve”, why don’t we just make that a Ph.D. in climatology.
Sorry, couldn't resist...
“Against stupidity the very gods themselves contend in vain.” - Friedrich Schiller
As for pumping sulfur into the atmosphere to slow global warming, this has been proposed by the Nobel Prize winning chemist Paul Crutzen. Crutzen wrote of this proposal that the preferred way to do things would be to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, "However, so far, attempts in that direction have been grossly unsuccessful." There would be a number of problems caused by Paul Crutzen’s proposal, but it is a desperate attempt to search for solutions to an extreme problem. What is really needed is a reduction greenhouse gas emissions.
On the question of bio-fuels, this is not a solution to global warming, and I have been actively opposing the idea. The following is a quote from one of my earlier articles, “Clinton and Obama: Failures on War and Global Warming”, I wrote:
“On the biggest question facing humanity, human caused global warming, both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are ignoring the urgent proposals of global warming experts and instead put forward conservative proposals of carbon credit trading for big corporations and proposals for so-called “cleaner” fuels for cars. Carbon credit trading, giving big corporations the “right” to buy and sell the “right” to pollute, will undermine the ability to pass other legislation that can better curb carbon pollution. And the “cleaner” bio-fuels being proposed make no substantial difference because it takes energy involving carbon emissions to grow the plants used to make bio-fuels. In addition, rainforests that would help remove global warming causing carbon from the atmosphere are being cleared to grow bio-fuels. To make matters worse, converting food-stuffs and croplands to bio-fuels increases world food prices, causing increased world hunger.”
Obviously when Jim says, “Another 'cool' 'solution' is to turn our food into fuel, causing world wide food shortages," it is an attempt to smear me and the Cool Earth Party for what, in fact, the oil companies are doing in converting food to fuels that contribute to global warming and hunger. If you want to blame someone Jim, look at the oil companies who produce ethanol, global warming, wars, hunger, and absurd propaganda about how carbon emissions are good for the planet because CO2 is “plant food”.
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Re: Is Global Warming Just a Myth? Response to Jim
Tue, May 27, 2008 - 6:52 AMOh brother Stevie left his tin foil hat at home again. -
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Tue, May 27, 2008 - 9:14 AM
Cliff doesn't care yet because he's a black bear. If he was a polar bear, he'd already know we're in trouble. -
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Re: Is Global Warming Just a Myth? Response to Jim
Tue, May 27, 2008 - 10:21 PMYes, Steve...and this is the International year of the polar bear. The US puts the bear on a useless list and Canadian scientists infected by our Bush wannabe government decides to not even put the bear on our list. Christ! While the sea ice melts and the bears drown, its a fat lot of good that all this talk does for the polar bear.
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Re: Is Global Warming Just a Myth? Response to Jim
Wed, May 28, 2008 - 6:02 AMYah the polar bear is in so much trouble.
Then how come there is an excess of them?
This is so typical of the psycho left. They take a fact - an undeniable documented fact and twist around it some speculation some fancy lying some fragile predictions and insist that the facts mean something exactly opposite of what they say plainly on their face.
"Oh Look~!! There are MORE polar bears than EVER~!! Clearly this means that they are endangered~!!
How do I know this you ask? Well, I have a computer model. And into the computer program I have put that information that best suits my desired result and POOF presto chango: Who you going to believe my computer or your lying eyes? "
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Re: Is Global Warming Just a Myth? Response to Jim
Fri, May 30, 2008 - 8:51 AMAn “excess” of polar bears?
There are only 20,000 to 25,000 left in the world. That is not an excess.
And less ice is causing hunger and fewer cubs are making it. As the ice disappears, the polar bear will go extinct in the wild.
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Re: Is Global Warming Just a Myth? Response to Jim
Sat, May 31, 2008 - 12:16 AM<This is so typical of the psycho left. They take a fact - an undeniable documented fact and twist around it some speculation some fancy lying some fragile predictions and insist that the facts mean something exactly opposite of what they say plainly on their face.>
Good god, what projection! Just change Left to Right and you've got the truth. Cliff , I've looked through your links, why can't I find a single substantiated "Fact"?
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Re: Is Global Warming Just a Myth? Response to Jim
Wed, May 28, 2008 - 12:04 AMI want to put in that Obama is much more aware of Global warming and the immediate need for action than has been reposted about his positions. He is pragmatic, however, about what can be done in the current political climate. He said at a campaign event that his proposal on Global Warming was what he thought he could get done is the Senate and Congress stayed the way it was. He then called for us to elect a more progressive body so that more could be done. I think his proposal is meant to be a starting point.
I'm personally very interested to see if Al Gore will be offered a place in his cabinet and whether Gore might accept. I would love to see Gore as the Secretary of Energy or head of the EPA but I have my doubts that Gore will re-enter politics. He seems to feel he has more impact outside of Government.
Ultimately, we need to get people elected who are willing to listen to us, then we have to pressure them to do what is needed.
Unfortunately, Bush has undercut a lot of the power of the people simply by being the first President to just ignore protest. That means, we have to fight harder than ever and not allow anyone else in who will simply ignore us. We own this country. Let's take it back. -
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Wed, May 28, 2008 - 8:22 AM>>>>>>>>>>>>>I'm personally very interested to see if Al Gore will be offered a place in his cabinet and whether Gore might accept.
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Wed, May 28, 2008 - 10:49 AMI know what he has said but I can hope can't I? No. I don;'t really believe Gore will reenter politics.
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Wed, May 28, 2008 - 11:54 AM****************m personally very interested to see if Al Gore will be offered a place in his cabinet and whether Gore might accept. I would love to see Gore as the Secretary of Energy or head of the EPA but I have my doubts that Gore will re-enter politics. He seems to feel he has more impact outside of Government.************
Aside from the fact that BoZo is an ignoramous what on earth could possibly get him to leave what he's doing now?
He gets treated like a messiah
He makes lots and lots of money
No one ever asks him any penetrating questions
No one gives him any shit
He answers to No One.
And you think he'd trade that in for:
Being a lousy fucking employee
earning shitloads less
being questioned about everything
taking shit from any one who feels like dishing it out
Why?
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Fri, May 30, 2008 - 9:06 AMBarack Obama is ignoring the urgent proposals of global warming experts and instead put forward conservative proposals of carbon credit trading for big corporations and proposals for so-called “cleaner” fuels for cars. Carbon credit trading, giving big corporations the “right” to buy and sell the “right” to pollute, will undermine the ability to pass other legislation that can better curb carbon pollution. And the “cleaner” bio-fuels being proposed make no substantial difference because it takes energy involving carbon emissions to grow the plants used to make bio-fuels. In addition, rainforests that would help remove global warming causing carbon from the atmosphere are being cleared to grow bio-fuels. To make matters worse, converting food-stuffs and croplands to bio-fuels increases world food prices, causing increased world hunger.
Obama is just another corporate politician of the Democrat Party. And Gore held power for eight years under Clinton, and didn't do a damn thing to fix the problem. -
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Fri, May 30, 2008 - 1:19 PMSO get Obama elected and then make sure he follows through with the most progressive policy on Glabal warming possible. Look, Bernie Sanders understands what's at stake and he's pushing heavy for Obama. You have to get someone in first and then hold their feet to the fire. Otherwise, your just complaining.
Now, maybe you don't agree. So, I'd like to hear an alternate stratagy. Who would you elect and how OR what would you do instead of electing someone? If you have a better idea, believe me, I will jump right on board!
I'll just make one more quick point, Everyone, Barack included, has to run as a centrist. There is no other way to get elected in America. Bush ran as a centrist and then proved to be a right wing nut-job. As I have said before, I know some things about Obama's true positions and I expect he will be a lot more progressive in office than he has been on the campaign trail. Remeber how FDR ran and look at what he did once in office. -
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Fri, May 30, 2008 - 4:39 PM>>>>>>>>>>>>I'll just make one more quick point, Everyone, Barack included, has to run as a centrist.
If he has to run as a centrist, than the system is broken. It is a myth that the center means the majority of people. I have sometimes noticed that while it doesn't happen all the time, I have seen the left and right agree on somethings that the center doesn't agree with, albeit for different reasons.
Now I am not saying don't vote for Obama, at least for the purpose of this argument, but when system does ignore much of the demands and needs of the people, the solution is often not a very polite way. -
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Fri, May 30, 2008 - 11:00 PM
<If he has to run as a centrist, than the system is broken.>
Amen.
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Re: Is Global Warming Just a Myth? Response to Jim
Wed, May 28, 2008 - 5:59 AM
This piece from Dr Lindzen is probably the single best, most well written, and most accessible to the lay-person of any article I have seen.
Global Warming: The Origin and Nature of the Alleged Scientific Consensus
www.cato.org/pubs/regula...eg15n2g.html
Less than half of scientists in the world believe in global warming~!!
www.dailytech.com/Survey%2B...le8641.htm
Dr. Timothy Ball and the cold hard facts.
www.canadafreepress.com/2007/g...507.htm
Climate extremism. Dr. Timothy Ball
www.canadafreepress.com/2007/g...007.htm
Peer reviewed studies chill global warming
epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm
Prominent Scientists Reverse Belief in Man-made Global Warming - Now Skeptics
epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm
Warming is politics not science
www.etherzone.com/2007/bend021307.shtml
Hottest year on record is 1934
The warmers said (demanded really) that 1998 was the hottest year ever. However the flaws in their “normalization” protocols ( a math game they use to manipulate data) proved to be their downfall. 1938 was and remains the hottest year on record.
www.dnronline.com/news_details.php
www.climateaudit.org/
www.technologyreview.com/Energy/13830/
data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/...Fig.D.txt
List of Global Warming Activists, Now Skeptics
Growing Number Of Major Scientific Figures Convert To Skeptics After Reviewing New Research By Marc Morano May 16, 2007 www.speroforum.com/site/article.asp
Dr. Gray, an emeritus professor at the atmospheric science department at Colorado State University says Gore is an alarmist.
www.guardian.co.uk/worldlat...1,00.html
The sun may play a major role we are in a period of heightened sun spots
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml
Dr. Timothy Ball Climatologist and Geographer says Global Warming is a farse
www.canadafreepress.com/2007/g...507.htm
An experiment that hints we are wrong on climate change
www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...3818.ece
This is compelling Milankovitch Cycles
www.homepage.montana.edu/~geol...ov.htm
www.stopcambridgewindfarm.org.uk/d...tm
www.ldeo.columbia.edu/~polsen...tro.html
dangerous to economies
www.baltimoresun.com/news/op...00.story
Gore upset about dissenters
www.newsmax.com/archives/i...34405.shtml
NASA telling the global warming crowd that without satellite data their models are worthless. Icelandic Ice Sheets
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/scien...6069506.stm
Antarctic Temperature Trend '82- '04 COLDER
earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsr...s.php3
Global warming theory is based on politics not good science
www.hawaiireporter.com/story.aspx
Michael Lubos has reservations also motls.blogspot.com/2007/02/...kers.html
www2.blogger.com/profile/1...3247488359
Oh my, it’s not exceptional it’s normal !!! www.john-daly.com/polar/arctic.htm
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/scien...6115644.stm
Non Skeptical Heretics
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/scien...6115644.stm
www.nytimes.com/glogin
sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prom....html
Dissenting Scientists are attacked
www.opinionjournal.com/extra/
Global Warming: The Origin and Nature of the Alleged Scientific Consensus
www.cato.org/pubs/regula...eg15n2g.html
Ten facts about global warming
THEY don’t want you to know
www.netscape.com/viewstory...l-warming/
Professor William M Gray of Colorado State University says the current climate phenom’ is natural.
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_de...1023334.stm
Global warming 'not clear cut' news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/scien...1131275.stm
As to Al Gore’s magical diseases that will kill us all while we are drowning in the floods: He forgot to check with the experts.
Ooops.
www.sciencemag.org/cgi/cont...5340/1004
Metrologists disagree
www.netscape.com/viewstory...l-warming/
Many top climatologists disagree
www.newscientist.com/article...100.html
more debate
www.sciencemag.org/cgi/cont...269/1734a
Bjørn Lomborg - Author of The Skeptical Environmentalist challenges widely held beliefs that the global environment is progressively getting worse.
www.lomborg.com/books.htm
Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change - Skeptical of possible negative effects, the center is a non-profit organization specializing in the online publication of scientific research and education developments related to the rising CO2 content of earth's atmosphere.
www.co2science.org/scripts/...Index.jsp
Climate Change Menu - Questions if people are really causing climate change.
www.sovereignty.net/p/clim/
Competitive Enterprise Institute: Global Warming - Index of CEI research papers, opinion articles, speeches, and other publications on climate change, the Kyoto Treaty, and related topics.
cei.org/sections/subsection.cfm
Friends of Science - Offers critical scientific evidence, including a five-piece video, that challenges the premises of the Kyoto Protocol, and presents alternative causes of climate change.
www.friendsofscience.org/
Global Warming And Climate Change Issues - A detailed examination of global climate change and related economic and science issues from the American Petroleum Institute web site. api-ec.api.org/ehs/climat...ge_Page.pdf
Global Warming Hotline - National Center for Policy Analysis site contains hundreds of documents on global warming and the implications of climate change treaties.
www.ncpa.org/hotlines/global/gwhot.html
The Global Warming Information Center - Project of the National Center for Public Policy Research; fact sheets, media kits, research, and links critical of the manmade climate change orthodoxy.
www.nationalcenter.org/Kyoto.html
Global Warming Lecture from the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine - A 52-minute video lecture noting the absence of deleterious effects due to global warming.
www.oism.org/oism/s32p686.htm
But I thought someone said it was debunked?? I guess not nearly so.
Global Warming Petition Project - Signed by over 19,000 scientists, this petition calls for the US government to reject the Kyoto Protocol.
www.sitewave.net/pproject/
Guide to Global Warming - Questions and Answers on Climate Change - Questions and answers to basic global warming questions, from the George C. Marshall Institute.
www.marshall.org/article.php
Man and Environment - A short page which questions the harm in environmental change.
uk.geocities.com/zak_smithson/
Cant do without a 1975 Article on Global Cooling
www.freerepublic.com/focus/f...07/posts
Russia's Chief Economic Adviser Says Cost of Kyoto Too Great - ICCF - Dr. Andrei Illarionov, Pres. Vladimir Putin's chief economic adviser, delivers a presentation called "The Kyoto Protocol: An Assault on economic growth, environment, public safety, science and human civilization itself."
www.iccfglobal.org/research...hief.html
Skepticism - Global Warming - Links to articles and resources skeptical of claims made by environmentalists about global warming.
www.skepticism.net/faq/envi...ndex.html
The NY Times screws up - again
www.skepticism.net/articles...0069.html
Science & Environmental Policy Project - Founded by atmospheric physicist and global-warming skeptic S. Fred Singer; press releases, news articles, scientific studies and other materials available.
www.sepp.org/
The Sky is Falling! - Personal site that explores the accounts of global warming with lots of resources and off site links
www.angelfire.com/pa/sergem...rming.html
Still Waiting For Greenhouse - Non-believers in global warming present evidence to show that global warming has been grossly exaggerated.
www.john-daly.com/
Sunspots at thousand year high
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3869753.stm
Dr. Sami Solanki, Professor (Swiss Federal Institute of Technology, Zurich), says the Sun is more bright in the last 60 years than over the previous 1090 years.
www.swissinfo.org/eng/swissinfo.html
www.astro.phys.ethz.ch/staff/...nf.html
Global Warming on Pluto Puzzles Scientists
By Robert Roy Britt
www.space.com/scienceastr..._021009.html
The planet and solar system are far more complex than the anthropogenic CO2 theories as an agent of climate change.
earth.usc.edu/geol150/evo...illenia.html
The sun is hotter than in the past 1000 years By Michael Leidig and Roya Nikkhah
Last Updated: 11:15pm BST 17/07/2004
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml
Pluto is undergoing global warming
web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2002/pluto.html
Prediction of a global climate change on Jupiter
www.nature.com/nature/jou...e02470.html
OH NO~!!!!! Global Warming on MARS~!! Maybe I should turn off the electricity.
news.nationalgeographic.com/news....html
Critique of the IPCC report pointing out misstatements and untruths
www.sepp.org/publication...Feb%2020.pdf
Peer reviewed critique of the Global Warming Myth
tinyurl.com/2xrttv
Dr. Robert Giegengack (a Gore supporter) Thinks the Global Warming myth is crap:
epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm
Antarctic Sea Ice Increase~!?!?!??
www.motherjones.com/blue_mar...ea_i.html
Skeptics speak out: Five videos & a slew of researchers and scientists
www.youtube.com/user/SkepticsSpeakOut
There are more polar bears than ever- this is proof of warming?
article.nationalreview.com/
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Re: Is Global Warming Just a Myth? Response to Jim
Thu, May 29, 2008 - 7:56 AMThose people are all stupid, Cliff.
Now go drive your evil SUV into the river and get a Prius.
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Re: Is Global Warming Just a Myth? Response to Jim
Fri, May 30, 2008 - 9:00 AMLike I said in the article:
Today, every national academy of science of the industrialized world recognizes human caused global warming as a fact. These include the American Association for the Advancement of Science and the U.S. National Academy of Sciences who explicitly use the word "consensus" on the issue.
Yet there are a few voices who claim that human caused global warming is a myth. Among these is the Competitive Enterprise Institute, a foundation funded by ExxonMobile. Under pressure, ExxonMobile declared they would no longer fund such groups. Yet, a study of ExxonMobiles tax returns showed they were lying and that they were still funding 14 other similar groups. Among these is the organization “Frontiers for Freedom” who recently issued a report that was dedicated to attacking Al Gore and global warming science.
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Re: Is Global Warming Just a Myth? Response to Jim
Sat, May 31, 2008 - 12:32 AMUsing the CATO Institute to refute Global warming is like using Evangelical Christian groups to refute Evolution. They have a vested interest in muddying the debate. CATO is funded in part by Exxon Mobile, The American Petroleum Institute, General Motors, Toyota, Volkswagen of America and Honda North America.
The fact is, oil companies can pay people as much as they want out of their record profits to say anything they want said. They don't need anything true, they just need to give the appearance that the science is inconclusive so that no decisions can be made. They get to keep doing what they're doing as long as the public and policy makers think there is debate.
You are being used as a tool, Cliff. My question to you is; why are you letting yourself be used.
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Re: Is Global Warming Just a Myth? Response to Jim
Fri, May 30, 2008 - 8:32 PMWhy the hell is it so chilly at the end of May? I prefer to choke my chicken in the nude at least 6 months a year, but this cold weather is fucking up my schedule. Gettin all goose bumpy n shit. I'm gonna go spray some right guard out the window. Think that'll help? -
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Re: Is Global Warming Just a Myth? Response to Jim
Sat, May 31, 2008 - 12:46 AM26 April, 2007
Lindzen described Exxon Mobil as "the only principled oil and gas company I know in the US." "They have a CEO who is not going to be bamboozled by nonsense," he adds. Professor Lindzen wants the debate on global warming kept alive. He also describes the Royal Society letter as a "disgrace," adding "they don't know what they're talking about."
Source: BBC News, "Science Climate Conflict Warms Up," April 26, 2007
unitedcats.wordpress.com/2007/...eptic/
There are a few problems with the recent Newsweek article by Dr Lindzen, well known global warming skeptic. The first is that he is portrayed as a heroic scientist selflessly bucking the global warming mainstream, the Newsweek article was even careful to point out that: “His research has always been funded exclusively by the U.S. government. He receives no funding from any energy companies.” This is misleading at best, a lie at worst. Dr. Lindzen charges $2500 a day for his consulting services to the coal and oil industry. He has been paid to travel to Washington by same to testify against global warming, he has been paid by a global warming denial think tank, and he’s even taken money from OPEC. Maybe his work at MIT is government funded, but he’s made some nice money from various big energy concerns, not to mention being paid for writing hit pieces against global warming. Being a highly credentialed global warming skeptic is a good way to make money, and Dr Lindzen is cashing in nicely.
Even more fun, let’s look at his research. People have reviewed his scientific papers, and guess what they discovered: Except when Dr Lindzen is writing for media outlets like Newsweek or the Wall Street Journal, he is a major proponent of man made global warming. He co-authored the 2001 National Academy of Science’s report on climate change for example. This study also endorsed the the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report that was “virtually certain” that a long list of negative outcomes from global warming is to be expected. People who think that Dr Lindzen’s credentials give veracity to his global warming “skepticism:” Click on the above two links and see what Dr Lindzen really thinks about global warming.
Here’s a hint:
In 2005, James Annan offered to take Lindzen, the MIT meteorologist, up on his bet that global temperatures in 20 years will be cooler than they are now. However, no wager was ever settled on because Lindzen wanted odds of 50-to-1 in his favour. This meant that for a $10,000 bet, Annan would have to pay Lindzen the entire sum if temperatures dropped, but receive only $200 if they rose.
“Richard Lindzen’s words say that there is about a 50 percent chance of [global] cooling,” Annan wrote about the bet. “His wallet thinks it is a 2 percent shot. Which do you believe?”
So I thank all those who brought Dr Lindzen’s Newsweek article to my attention. I urge everyone to take Dr Lindzen’s credentials as a scientist very seriously, he is a major proponent of man made global warming and the more people that know that the better, spread the word! The fact that the good doctor is perfectly willing to accept money for saying different in public may say something about his character, but has no bearing on global warming science.
References:
Newsweek Hides Global Warming Denier’s Financial Ties to Big Oil
Newsweek blesses Richard Lindzen, ignores pay-offs from fuel companies
Gambling on Global Warming Goes Mainstream
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