Ft Hood shooting

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Fort Hood Rampage Suspect Sill Alive www.cbsnews.com/stories/20...43071.shtml

Army Spokesman: Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan Not Killed By Authorities Responding to Attack; In Custody

(CBS/ AP) Updated at 9:45 p.m. EST

A military mental health doctor facing deployment overseas opened fire at the Fort Hood Army post on Thursday, setting off on a rampage that killed 12 people and left 31 wounded, Army officials said.

Authorities said immediately after the shootings that they had killed the suspected shooter, but later in the evening they recanted and said that he was alive and in stable condition at a hospital, watched by a guard.

“His death is not imminent,” said Lt. Gen. Bob Cone at Fort Hood. He offered little explanation for the mistake, other than to say there was confusion at the hospital.

A law enforcement official identified the shooting suspect as Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the case publicly.

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  • Re: Ft Hood shooting

    Fri, November 6, 2009 - 12:48 PM
    It didn't take long for the Islamaphobes to hysterisize the issue. Of course it came from Fox.

    Fox Host: Alleged Ft. Hood shooter’s name ‘tells us a lot’

    By David Edwards and Daniel Tencer
    Thursday, November 5th, 2009 -- 6:40 pm
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    shepardsmith2 Fox Host: Alleged Ft. Hood shooters name tells us a lot"This is going to get very dark," reads the headline of a blog posting late Thursday by TalkingPointsMemo's Josh Marshall.

    Marshall was referring to news reports stating that the alleged primary shooter killed in today's rampage at the army base in Fort Hood, Texas, has a "Muslim-sounding" name -- and what that will mean for the political debate surrounding the shooting in post-911 America.

    "The fact that the primary assailant has an Arabic name and is presumably, though we don't know this yet, of Muslim extraction if not a practicing Muslim, is going to be the focus of attention," Marshall wrote.

    And indeed, no sooner had Marshall made his prediction than Fox News made that prediction come true.

    In an interview with US Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-TX), Fox host Shepard Smith asked: "The names tells us a lot, does it not, senator?"
    Story continues below...

    "It does," Hutchison replied. "It does, Shepard."

    While Smith stressed he wasn't releasing the alleged shooter's name because Fox had not been able to corroborate it, ABC News is reporting that the person identified as the main shooter in the violent incident was Major Malik Nadal Hasan.

    Hasan, if that is indeed the correct name, is now the primary suspect in the rampage that took the lives of 12 people and injured 31 others in Fort Hood, Texas, on Thursday afternoon. MSNBC reported that Hasan was an army psychiatrist who had been promoted to the rank of major this past May.

    Smith told Fox News viewers that the alleged shooter was "an officer in the US Army who was about to deploy to the war, was upset about the prospect of being deployed to war."

    Smith stated: "Can we connect the dot between that and what he did today? You can, but we don't have the information to say that he was so upset that he went out and shot. When we can draw [those connections], we will."

    rawstory.com/2009/11/nam...ls-us-a-lot/
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    Fri, November 6, 2009 - 1:27 PM
    Interesting footnote: Hasan was shot by a female police officer, Sgt. Kimberly Munley, who also took a bullet in the leg.

    www.slate.com/id/2234862/

    See why the Islamists are opposed to educating women? Educated women shoot back . . .
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      Tue, November 10, 2009 - 4:44 PM
      "Educated women shoot back."

      Airhead, Jews are from Ethiopia, so get your educated GF to show your armless, legless head, how right between your asscheeks is where you have been observing, so pull OUT, and notice KENYA, where Obama-Daddy, DARFUR and SOMALIA, where are trouble, related to your fantasy-life for the ten, wayward tribes, of HABIRUS, including riotous creep ABRAHAM, a bastard mercenary, from Ur, who stoned Moses.

      Shoot GIULIANI, before he whores a limp blimp full of nukes, into Yankee Stadium, airhead and GFs. Isaiah 20:5 also implies KILL BILLS, of attainder, since the riot of Abraham taints all US transactions, for purge, by trial, OR YOU CONTINUE ILLEGALLY, IN ALL NATIONS.

      Shoot Jon bon Jovi, for sucking. Shoot Lauer, for having him on and jerking about how many unemployed football goons he knows, gayly.

      Shoot Jenna Bush and any producer who had her on NBC. But wait, if you suck, really sick, and you are too stupid to know how the illegal secret treaty with Victoria spawned the US coups in Hawaii, 1893, when the Victorian Crusade petered out in 1882, with the invasion of Palestine, in the null year, between the Boer Wars, to establish an illegitimate Habiru Pirate Republic.

      They steal all the music and overproduce, per Nixon's taps, blown at us, for forty years of nasty W.E.S., at RICO profiteering.

      Look, STUPID! Bin Laden knows Valerie has a BIG BUTT, ok, stupid?

      Jews happen to be from Ethiopia, so don't get the big C, over it, and get David Lee Roth all upset, again, asshat punks!

      Heard of the VAN ALLEN BELT? Bin Laden knows astronomy, is that allright with you, big-butt fetish creeps and geeks? AC-ZZ is ripped.

      So why do you think you get to let Giuliani hold up communications, killing New Yorkers, while the NSA and CIA and Mueller prevent the FBI from due notice to superiors and all agencies, when they discovered and KNEW THE 9/11 HIJACKERS WERE IN THE USA, ready to attack? What riot have you reported, or sought to chill?

      NOT THIS RIOT, asshats.

      All RIOT, or blow David Bowie, since you miss Roth so much, you riotous, crudbag fans of standing armies and quarter-whores.

      When you move for Bob CONE, notice you blew off jerking Giuliani back, while cooking the 9/11 Commission, and you busted Bonds for uttering, "iSAIAH," when he bumped 756 into the Cove, in September 2005, three years ago, so since JEWS ARE ETHIOPIAN, you let Bonds and his trainer get it, with all kinds of other victims of US pig steroid rage, from the fatasses in the Senate, 50 too many of those.

      Your girly shooter got over, where she has been touted by Latin-Russian gangs, and by stupid Catholics and Brits.

      You have the word, 'SHIT' because the Crusading BRITS got the TITS all twisted, by Saladin, in 1187, and they surmised they would need to invade Beijing, through the Shiites in Iran, to keep Jerusalem, by the time of Napoleon and Victoria, when the British Empire invaded darn near everybody and the US took a little hike from the Constitution, in 1814, and stayed away, ever since, to treaty with Victoria.

      HEARD OF THE ROYAL FAVORS EXCLUSION CLAUSE? The riotous administrations injure all Latin, Arab, African, Asian, and sundry royalty and citizens, for illegal favors, for royal Windsor, Saud, Vatican, David, ALL BASTARDS! You may not so violate commerce, US.

      You waved your asses in the window, between the Rabin Assassination Anniversary, November 3, and the execution of John Muhammed, tonight, November 10, 2009.

      You had Jon bon Jovi and Jenna Bush to masturbate at, on your day of death, and YOU TRIED TO FART, TOO HARD.

      SHIT HAPPENED. So keep farting, asshats. Practice makes perfect. Shoot your asses harder, and blow out your birthday candles.

      Don't mistake 'education' in a woman for what she does, when she is stuck getting shot at, since YOU ARE A PROXIMATE HAZARD, INCITING RIOT, FOR NOTICE TO DESIST.

      Chill your stupid comments, pigs. You are trying to incite MAYHEM, having abetted riot. You are a danger to yourself and others, and to minor persons, and to property and to animals, by your remarks and your usual actions, unrestrained, PUNKS. Make my day.

      WOMEN AND CHILDREN, chill and disband, OR FACE LAWFUL ORDER, FROM A COURT, FOR CAUSE.
  • Re: Ft Hood shooting

    Fri, November 6, 2009 - 2:18 PM
    Who cares? Baby Killers killing Baby Killers. Piss on them.
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      Fri, November 6, 2009 - 2:34 PM
      This statement is a good example of why I don't like progressive politics. Hey, we got some dead people here, who deserve respect even if they were the worst people in the world, which I'm pretty sure they were not.
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        Fri, November 6, 2009 - 5:49 PM
        <This statement is a good example of why I don't like progressive politics. Hey, we got some dead people here, who deserve respect even if they were the worst people in the world, which I'm pretty sure they were not.>

        I agree that was not a progressive statement. But let me rephrase it a lot.

        We train people to kill, We train very young people to kill (and now have recruitment centers (adventure centers) that cater to 16 year olds. The Army likes them young because they can be more easily taught to ways of war and a big part of those ways is death and to be unaffraid in the face of death and do their jobs. We then pack lots of these people in a base and keep large numbers of guns and tons (literally) of ammunition near to the guns. What do we expect to happen. It is a wonder it doesn't happen more often.

        And frankly the number of people killed though an act of violence and murder is still smaller than the number of soldiers that committed suicide this year alone.

        We won't even get into the number that die through accidents and of course in the war zone itself.
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          Fri, November 6, 2009 - 11:23 PM
          I really don't think you can blame individual soldiers for wars. Even at Nuremburg, we never convicted anyone of belonging to the Wehrmacht, but only for their own misdeeds.
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            Sat, November 7, 2009 - 6:51 PM
            I don't blame individual soldiers for wars. But when you brainwash a person to be a killing machine it should not supprise anyone thay they are efficient killers.
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              Sat, November 7, 2009 - 7:46 PM
              I don't think Hasan was trained to be an "efficient killer." He was trained to be a psychiatrist. Killing unarmed people takes no great skill.
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                Sat, November 7, 2009 - 8:29 PM
                He has PTSD. And yes EVERYbody is going to have some combative training.
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                  Sat, November 7, 2009 - 11:57 PM
                  "He has PTSD."

                  Okay, every story that I've heard so far said that this would have been his first deployment; that he's never been in combat before. Is this not true? Has he been in combat before? And if he hasn't, how could he have PTSD? (I'm not saying that combat is the only way someone can get PTSD, I just haven't heard that he was involved in anything else that could have caused PTSD.) Or are you saying that his combat training gave him PTSD?
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                    Sun, November 8, 2009 - 12:00 AM
                    I'm betting if he has PTSD,
                    its from constantly being fu<&ed with for having his Moslem faith
                    by West Texas rednecks!
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                      Sun, November 8, 2009 - 5:56 AM
                      I suspect he has PTSD from treating soldiers for their mental health issues. The psychiatrist is not completely immune from feeling in these situations despite their training. Imagine the horror stories he has listened to. Of course, he didn't want to go to Iraq, he already knew exactly what it would be like.
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                        Sun, November 8, 2009 - 11:45 AM
                        "I suspect he has PTSD from treating soldiers for their mental health issues."

                        Is that actually possible? According to NIMH: "Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder, PTSD, is an anxiety disorder that can develop after exposure to a terrifying event or ordeal in which grave physical harm occurred or was threatened. Traumatic events that may trigger PTSD include violent personal assaults, natural or human-caused disasters, accidents, or military combat." He may have been severely emotionally disturbed by hearing the stories of other people's combat, but I'm not sure that would be considered PTSD, clinically speaking, since no physical harm was threatened.
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                          Sun, November 8, 2009 - 12:16 PM
                          I think I will have to look into this more, but what that definition says "...exposure to a terrifying event..."
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                            Sun, November 8, 2009 - 12:26 PM
                            "I think I will have to look into this more, but what that definition says "...exposure to a terrifying event...""

                            I don't understand. Can you please elucidate?
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                    Sun, November 8, 2009 - 8:40 AM
                    Combat isn't required for PTSD. Thought I think that might actually invalidate my earlier argument. I don't know what his case is, but I know that people who often council people who have been in combat. Other people who have been diagnosed with PTSD are sometimes the people who operate drones.
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                Sun, November 8, 2009 - 6:05 AM
                <I don't think Hasan was trained to be an "efficient killer.>

                The military trains everybody in the use of weapons and they all go through basic which trains people to kill in a combat situation. The fact taht he was a psychiatrist is no different than the guy next to him who was a doctor, or a mechanic, or an animal trainer, or a cook.
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                  Sun, November 8, 2009 - 11:43 AM
                  >>all go through basic which trains people to kill in a combat situation

                  Officer candidates just shoot at paper targets. If that makes them "trained killers," then I'm one. (Actually, I expect I'm a lot better as a marksman than the shrink.) It isn't a question of training. Someone who has been through the experience of killing people in battle may have serious psychological issues, but he didn't get it in training.

                  www.rand.org/pubs/resear.../index1.html
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                    Sun, November 8, 2009 - 3:08 PM
                    If basic training is just shooting at patper targets then I think we are doing a severe injustice to soldiers by sending them to a war zone with that kind of training. You are minimizing what training they are really getting.
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                      Sun, November 8, 2009 - 4:01 PM
                      Basic training stresses recruits to the max: being yelled at, deprived of sleep and worked to exhaustion are pretty routine. All this is intended to prepare people for combat, so they won't fade when they need to react quickly. The stress you get in basic training is pretty well eclipsed by combat itelf, however. There really isn't any training that can prepare you for a situation where people are being blown to pieces. Hasan was not disturbed by basic training, but by horrendous stories he heard from people suffering PTSD.
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                        Mon, November 9, 2009 - 6:42 AM
                        Agreed he was stressed by his work with returning soldiers. And he had training and opportunity to be a very effective killer. I don't think a Rn for example would have caused as much death. He had an edge up on your average person with weapons and how to use them efficiently. Hence the higher body count both killed and injured.
  • Re: Ft Hood shooting

    Fri, November 6, 2009 - 2:48 PM
    This story really is just the tip of the iceberg. There is a huge epidemic of PTSD, and most of the personnel want out of the war.
  • Re: Ft Hood shooting

    Sat, November 7, 2009 - 7:17 AM
    There is the great lie of the military, and then there is the unbearable reality.

    The lie is that it is a noble cause, that it exists to defend freedom, and that it will make you a better person. The unbearable reality is that it exists to serve political and economic ends that have nothing to do with freedom, that you are most likely going to be cannon fodder, and that you will be made to committ atrocities that will haunt you.

    I know a woman whose cousin just got back from Iraq. He started talking non-sense, poured paint thinner on himself,and lit himself on fire. No news coverage.

    This kind of thing happens all the time.

    Damn that lifetime of propaganda..growing up with GI Joe action figures and watching "Stripes"
    • Re: Ft Hood shooting

      Sat, November 7, 2009 - 9:19 PM
      The lady officer is a real american hero. . .she took 3 bullets going after the guy.

      She ought to be invited to the White House and have a statue erected in her honor just outside the base gates. .
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        Sat, November 7, 2009 - 10:47 PM
        How can she be a hero if she helped saved people who are going to go kill innocent Iraqis? She is a monster enabler, and a monster herself.
    • Re: Ft Hood shooting

      Sun, November 8, 2009 - 8:09 AM
      "I know a woman whose cousin just got back from Iraq. He started talking non-sense, poured paint thinner on himself,and lit himself on fire. No news coverage."

      If we are pulling out anecdotal stories here, I know of at least 10 people (all former students or friends) who have served in Iraq. The military made them better people from what they were before. They now know discipline and respect. They have adjusted back to society perfectly even though they were in combat. They have not killed anyone or themselves. They live normal, everyday lives. No new coverage.

      This kind of thing happens all the time.
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        Sun, November 8, 2009 - 11:53 AM
        Much more often than the other way around, I daresay.
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          Mon, November 9, 2009 - 2:11 PM
          The fact of the matter is, this all points back to the basic problem with those who serve to protect via "armed forces".

          The basic, most simple answer is that our military has utterly destroyed any sensibility in meaning for which "armed forces" stand. Once upon a time, human beings armed themselves for very simple reasons: to protect themselves from attack by beast or other, to protect their land, their food supplies that would see them through (for example, their winter stores), to defend their land and their right to live according to their own Lights. These were good, solid, practical reasons to be armed and demonstrate their strength of will through force.

          At that Time, so very long ago, human beings understood the concept of death. Death was not feared, it was accepted as one part of the Cycle of Life. And when someone or something died, it did so MAKING SENSE. There were no wasteful, senseless deaths - and that, in turn, made death acceptable - it was a GOOD death.

          In today's Time, those who serve in our Armed Forces have no idea why they are fighting, what the dead person who's blown open in front of them did to deserve to die, or the woman wandering down the street, dazed, carrying her dead child..., what their friends and commrades died for - it's sheer and utter madness. You take 18 to 40 year olds, teach them with virtual reality "training courses" (which, nowadays, most have started as soon as their parents let them being to play so-called "First Person Shooter" games - disgusting!), and when they see the reality of War... They absolutely do not know what they are fighting for, why they are dying, and begin to feel like animals.

          When men and women fought with swords, at least they knew WHY. They were defending their children, their food, their communities... What do we expect when we take away any manner of sense as to why people are fighting and dying by lying about the real reasons we are killing people (for a pipeline? for freakin' oil?? for money??? - but we'll tell you it's about terrorism... it's about freedom...). Bull$h!t reasons that everyone can see through - but nobody has the truth and choice to either stay at home or agree to fight for that abhorrant truth - is absolutely destroying the morality, the sensibility, the very fabric of the human psyche. THAT is the crux of the problem, IMOHO.
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            Mon, November 9, 2009 - 4:16 PM
            "Once upon a time, human beings armed themselves for very simple reasons:"

            And those reasons still stand today for many who join the military or have a firearm in the home. They have practical meanings to joining the military. They join out of pride of their country and the willingness to serve. But at the same time, many may not join with that same reason. Many may join for the money or the fact that they truly love violence and causing pain to others. Those people do not represent all of the military.

            "There were no wasteful, senseless deaths - "

            I would like to learn more about your imaginary framework of time and place and how that could possibly be realistic. There have always been wasteful, senseless deaths...ever since humans first showed anger and malice towards their fellow humans. These deaths occur without a war occurring as any person can kill someone without sensible reasoning.

            "those who serve in our Armed Forces have no idea why they are fighting,"

            Yes they do. They know why and if you ask them, they will tell you. You may not agree with their reasons, but that still does not take away the fact that that is the reason they are fighting. You may feel that they have been lied to, but that does not take it away either.

            "parents let them being to play so-called "First Person Shooter" games - disgusting!"

            Wow, I feel like I am back in high school during my junior year. Columbine just happened and everyone began blaming games like Doom. Amazingly enough, I had played Doom throughout my childhood (we hide it on a computer at school) and yet I never once had an urge to kill my classmates. I also did not choose to join the military. There have been violent people long before video games. For reference, I would ask that your watch Penn and Teller's Bullshit: Video Game Violence.

            "hey were defending their children, their food, their communities..."

            Or they were just killing someone who pissed them off.

            "it's about freedom"

            to many people, it is about freedom. As I said, just because you do not agree with the reasoning, does not take away their reason. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris shot up Columbine because they felt that they were bullied. I believe that is bullshit (I was bullied and yet I never did it nor did I ever think of it) but just because I disagree with it, that does not take away the fact that they used that as their excuse.

            In the end, you could look at it like this: Every death is not wasteful or senseless since it is lowering the population of a planet that has a lot of people on it. In reality, that is a horrid way to look at life and death, but anyone could use that as an excuse to go out there and kill people.

            Death has always been feared by the majority of people, which is why we work so hard to keep people alive. Violent people have always been around, wars have happened for a long time and is simply an extension of our natural sense of greed, anger and self-defense.
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              Mon, November 9, 2009 - 5:05 PM
              <"I would like to learn more about your imaginary framework of time and place and how that could possibly be realistic".>

              I suggest the works of Gimbutas - especially her "The Civilization of the Goddess" (a secondary author would be Monica Sjoo "The Great Cosmic Mother") for your exploration of time and place where that was quite possible and, as supported by archeological findings, very realistic.

              In the paragraph where you wrote: <"And those reasons still stand today for many who join the military or have a firearm in the home.>...

              I assure you, I have no problem with those who join the military for altruistic purposes. They are, however, equally as susceptible to becoming disillusioned by the Establishment as anyone else. Additionally, my qualm does not lie with those who have a firearm in their home - indeed, I have my own rifle - and two swords (and know how to use them), a recurve bow and quiver full of arrows, and am currently seeking a crossbow. Again, for those who have these things for protection of family, property, etc. - more power to you! My point was not even with regards to those who have those things for violence/pain. My point was regarding those who have seen that which was designed to protect be used in situations other than protection and so on. When one is open to blatant disregard for human life repeatedly, that absolutely affects one's Being.

              Indeed, I agree with you that those who join the military for violence/pain do not represent the whole of the military - and I am very thankful for that! I was, however, commenting on the oft-repeated question that I have heard from both Vietnam Vets and the current war in Iraq. I also have a dear friend who served in Afghanistan who has discussed the growing number of soldiers wanting to know "what we are doing here".

              <"Wow, I feel like I am back in high school during my junior year. Columbine just happened and everyone began blaming games like Doom.">

              I'm glad I provided a vehicle for you to reminisce. I am not stating this on religious grounds like many do. I have a teenaged son who enjoys video games and I have done more than my share of D&D, RPG, and LARP. It was a blast, I admit that with no regret - and I encourage my son to enjoy similar types of games. I'm talking about things like "Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2". Can you please enlighten me as to the purpose of this game if it's something other than desensitizing young people and glorifying war/killing?

              I applaud your never having a desire to kill your classmates - thankfully, you and I (and millions more like us) share that same mental victory. Could you say the same about someone who bullied you or pissed you off after you'd spent 3 or 4 separate Tours of Duty over in Iraq? THAT was my question, and by it, my point.

              <"just because you do not agree with the reasoning, does not take away their reason.">
              Absolutely not, I agree. Whether the reason was to keep them from killing fellow Wiccans (and thereby attempt to stop another Witch Hunt) - or in others' cases, Muslims), whether it's because I'm sick and tired of being beaten by my husband (or picked on by others' at school every day), or if it's to "save them from experiencing what all those at Walter Reed Medical Center have experienced" - be it PTSD or neglect [for example see: www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2.html] .... WHATEVER the "reason" - does not make it sane, rational, and permissible by law and society's undefined, but socially acceptable, rules.

              And death has NOT always been feared by the majority of people. There was a time in many cultures where the bones of those family members who died were buried in the very houses humans lived in, so that they could be close. There still is the honouring of the dead in many cutures - those who celebrate Hallows, The Day of the Dead, All Saints Day. In fact, within the last 200 years, there were invitations for families to come and play at graveyards, picnics were held in those graveyards, and other celebrations. In Ireland, wakes were cause for family get-togethers, people having consensual sex in the house of the deceased in hopes that the deceased's spirit would be reconceived that night, and - as everyone well knows - lots of drinking and laughter. It is a sad and unfortunate thing that over the last 100 years humans have come to fear growing old rather than honouring the sages and crones of our days - and along with that, fear death.
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                Mon, November 9, 2009 - 6:25 PM
                "Can you please enlighten me as to the purpose of this game if it's something other than desensitizing young people and glorifying war/killing? "

                Actually, most of the people I know who play it, play it to have fun and be entertained. They actually find more enjoyment out of "trash talking" with their friends and opponents than they do in actual gameplay. The reason it is being so anticipated is that people cannot wait to play with each other online and screw around. It is also a good stress reliever as many of my friends can attest to.
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                  Mon, November 9, 2009 - 8:37 PM
                  There are all sorts of online games. Some of them (such as role-playing games) are useful for building social skills and teamwork. But others (especially first-person shooters) are mainly just a distraction. I sometimes look for an online game with a lot of foreigners, so I can practice language skills with native speakers.

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