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ed schultz (among many others) say it's because of obama's fixation to haver a bipartisan bill.
i think that's a purposed stalking horse to provide cover for the real reasons ... money, money and money.
while the stink of rahm emmanuel permeates the white house dealings, obama seems firmly on board with it all and the intent appears to be to use the presidential pulpit not to get critically needed effective progressive legislation passed, but to use it to cajole progressives into going along with whatever watered down corporate pleasing tripe does get passed in their quest to fill the coffers from the same.
i think that's a purposed stalking horse to provide cover for the real reasons ... money, money and money.
while the stink of rahm emmanuel permeates the white house dealings, obama seems firmly on board with it all and the intent appears to be to use the presidential pulpit not to get critically needed effective progressive legislation passed, but to use it to cajole progressives into going along with whatever watered down corporate pleasing tripe does get passed in their quest to fill the coffers from the same.
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Re: is obama backstabbing progressives on healthcare?
Sat, October 31, 2009 - 7:29 PM[Is Obama backstabbing progressives on healthcare?]
Does Schrodinger's Cat shit in the woods?
Unfortunately, he isn't just screwing progressives. He's screwing the entire population.
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Re: is obama backstabbing progressives on healthcare?
Sat, October 31, 2009 - 7:30 PMIt's all quite insidious.
On Ed's friday show his guest congressmen's first words in his opening reply to Ed's question about the many reports Obama was in reality trying to scuttle the public option was to say that Obama has been PUBLICLY saying from the start and all along that he is for a public option, so obviously he's fully for a public option as if the numerous and highly credible reports Ed had outlined that the White House was in fact BEHIND THE SCENES pushing hard for the trigger option and were doing NOTHING congressionally to support the public option had no bearing on the matter.
Obama's white house appears to be well down the path to subordinating policy to politics, no matter the real cost the the country at large, perhaps not to the degree the Bush administration did, but as close as they can get to it while being impeded with those pesky non-sheepbot progressives and all.
Personally, I think they are making a fatal miscalculation if they think they will not tear the party apart getting a trigger option health care bill passed and signed into law. Some tried and true TRUSTED progressive of national political, media or internet stature is going to start up a new party based on pure progressive principles and will in very short order rip away 20%+ of the democratic party (and almost instantly have a war chest in the tens of milllions). The smartest and most dedicated 20%. They will see absolutely no reason to continue in the democratic party.
I will be among them.
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Re: is obama backstabbing progressives on healthcare?
Sat, October 31, 2009 - 9:10 PMDandelion said... <snip> "...Some tried and true TRUSTED progressive ..."
I thought that was Dennis Kucinich. I hoped it was. Why couldn't more progressives come on board with him - thereby making that magical 20% - this last go-round? I was so disappointed... I can only hope he'll try, try again - and that THIS time, we the People - or at least we the Progressives - will listen and join in support of his campaign.
I completely agree that Obama's trying to play this off as "oh I couldn't help it, they forced us to scuttle the public option". I believe it was Newsweek on the stand this week offering "help and guidance" for wounded Progressives and Independents who are dismayed at the Obama who hasn't done much to cleanse the stench of Bush, Cheney & Co. from our government leadership.
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Re: is obama backstabbing progressives on healthcare?
Sun, November 1, 2009 - 8:10 AM<I thought that was Dennis Kucinich. I hoped it was. Why couldn't more progressives come on board with him - thereby making that magical 20% - this last go-round?>
For whatever reasons, Dennis Kucinich is not going to be elected president. That's just the cold reality. For that same reason he would be a poor candidate to initiate a new progressive party as it would be widely perceived as a vehicle for his next presidential bid which would blunt the enthusiasm and willingness to join of those same progressives that have shied away from supporting his presidential runs in the past.
Howard Dean would be the ideal person to do this and head up the party. He is very deeply trusted by the left and has wide experience in all the skill sets pertinent to the job and is generally perceived as uninterested in another presidential run.
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Re: is obama backstabbing progressives on healthcare?
Sat, October 31, 2009 - 9:23 PMJust healthcare? Isn't he backstabbing the country and everyone who voted for him on just about everything? Who won this election anyway. Seems like the minority party in Congress is getting everything they want. -
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Re: is obama backstabbing progressives on healthcare?
Sun, November 1, 2009 - 8:37 AM<Just healthcare? Isn't he backstabbing the country and everyone who voted for him on just about everything? Who won this election anyway. Seems like the minority party in Congress is getting everything they want.>
backstabbing the country on the important things leastwise, financial reform and health care. looking like iraq and afgnanistan maybe.
thing is worldwide oil production has now functionally peaked and it's reasonable to expect a revelation from on high some time next year as the oil (as gas) prices are again headed steadily up to that effect and how it is now utterly vital this country stay in iraq and afghanistan to protect our access to those ever more precious resources.
there is going to come a point when the elites, who have NO intention of leaving the middle east, will have no choice but to openly acknowledge this reality and that point will occur during this administrations tenure.
that's why obama's failure to level with the american people, informing them of the true situation they face and the radical changes that need to occur to effectively meet what is coming, makes his keeping the status quo intact for (very) short term political gain is so egregious, screamingly so when his entire campaign was based on the promise to bring real change that status quo.
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Re: is obama backstabbing progressives on healthcare?
Sun, November 1, 2009 - 8:45 AM
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Re: is obama backstabbing progressives on healthcare?
Sun, November 1, 2009 - 7:56 PM<there is going to come a point when the elites, who have NO intention of leaving the middle east, will have no choice but to openly acknowledge this reality and that point will occur during this administrations tenure.>
The elites don't acknowledge they spin. They start wars to distract. You want dialog with your lord and masters? the horror.
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