where do i start?? i just got out of a 6 year monogamous relationship.. neither of us were ever totally committed to monogamy in the long run.. i'm really starting to consider poly relationships and need a bit of help learning where to start.. if anyone has any advice i'd really appreciate it.
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Re: considering poly
Fri, July 27, 2007 - 12:22 PMFirst you should ask yourself if you looking for polyamory or "polyfu*kery". Polyamory is needlessly complexed for people who aren't meant for it (like me). Umm... and that's all I have for you. Just give it some thought, because if you're looking for an open relationship rather than MULTIPULE relationships but call it the latter, you'll probably end up breaking a few hearts and no one wants that.
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Re: considering poly
Fri, July 27, 2007 - 12:34 PMI'm probably looking for a little bit of both, but mostly I'm looking for honesty in all forms. I'm not into breaking hearts and the only way not to do that is through open, honest communication from the very beginning.
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Re: considering poly
Mon, August 6, 2007 - 11:02 AM"Polyamory is needlessly complexed for people who aren't meant for it"
It's not. There are always people that make things more complex or create more drama than they need to in life and some of these people are poly, but they don't represent all poly folks. Frankly, I think there tends to be a lot more complexity and rules among the people I know that describe their lifestyle as polyfuckery (they tend to be swinger types of couples with all kinds of rules about who they can fuck and when, or if they can fuck other people at all, or specific genders, etc.)
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Tue, August 7, 2007 - 3:54 PM"Frankly, I think there tends to be a lot more complexity and rules among the people I know that describe their lifestyle as polyfuckery (they tend to be swinger types of couples with all kinds of rules about who they can fuck and when, or if they can fuck other people at all, or specific genders, etc.)"
The encyclopedia states: "Polyamory is the desire, practice, or acceptance of having more than one loving, intimate relationship at a time with the full knowledge and consent of everyone involved. Polyamorous perspectives differ from monogamous perspectives, in that they respect a partner's wish to have second or further meaningful relationships and to accommodate these alongside their existing relationships.
The term polyamory is sometimes abbreviated to poly, especially as a form of self-description, and is sometimes described as consensual and/or responsible non-monogamy. Polyamory is usually taken as a description of a lifestyle or relational choice and philosophy, rather than of individuals' actual relationship status at a given moment."
For "swinging" the encyclopedia says: "Swinging, sometimes referred to as the swinging lifestyle, is "non-monogamous sexual activity, treated much like any other social activity, that can be experienced as a couple." The phenomenon (or at least its wider discussion and practice) may be seen as part of the sexual revolution of recent decades, which occurred after the upsurge in sexual activity made possible by the prevalence of safer sex practices during the same period. Swinging has been called wife swapping in the past, but this term is archaic, as it is androcentric and does not accurately describe the full range of sexual activities in which swingers may take part."
Personal preferences aside, which one seems simpler? Having a half-dozen girl/boyfriends to maintain everyday on top of everything else life demands or hooking up with the occasional individual every now and then for a bit of fun.
And all that aside, not everyone can practice polyamory. There are many couples who are happy as could be devoting themselves to none other then their significant other. Polyamory may be defined as a "life-style choice" but it is my belief that there is some internal wiring involved as is the case in most sexual preference cases.
Is there at least a shred of truth in there or am I (and the encyclopedia ) just completely misguided?
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Re: considering poly
Wed, October 10, 2007 - 12:01 AM
<< Polyamory may be defined as a "life-style choice" but it is my belief that there is some internal wiring involved as is the case in most sexual preference cases. >>
Speaking only for myself, I completely agree with this statement.
For whatever reason, I am simply not wired for the sort of multiple committed relationships that many poly folks enjoy. My heart simply isn't capable of multitasking.
I can totally grok being polysexual, however. Yet it only works for me in the context of having "friends with benefits".
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Sun, October 14, 2007 - 6:15 PMThe problem, in terms of complexity, is that casual sex sometimes turns into not-so-casual sex. The self-described 'swingers' I know get way freaked out by that idea. The self-described 'poly' people do not. As a result, dealing with that eventuality is easier in a poly setup than it was in a swinger swinger setup. As a self-described poly person, I have casual sex (i.e. I "swing"), but I don't take major steps to avoid having some connection and love with my swinging. Many, though not all, "swingers" do. When I end up with more than one relationship at once, I find it to be not as demanding as you'd think, so long as everyone can spend time together as well as separately. I do find sets of rules intended to keep me from falling in love to be impossibly complicated, though. -
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Sun, October 14, 2007 - 6:35 PM<< The problem, in terms of complexity, is that casual sex sometimes turns into not-so-casual sex. The self-described 'swingers' I know get way freaked out by that idea. >>
Yes, they do. That may be the reason why so many swinger's groups are rigidly couple-centric. The couple is celebrated above all else, and others are expected to 'respect' that particular institution. Those who do not often find themselves shunned from the group, as such folks are considered a destabilizing force.
<< I do find sets of rules intended to keep me from falling in love to be impossibly complicated, though. >>
Really? I've not found this to be an issue for me so far. The boundaries that I see couples setting around their relationships just seem sensible to me, given the imperfections of human nature.
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Re: considering poly
Mon, October 15, 2007 - 6:46 AM
Really? I've not found this to be an issue for me so far. The boundaries that I see couples setting around their relationships just seem sensible to me, given the imperfections of human nature.
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For me, such sets of rules are too complex. I've done the heavy on the rules thing, and there are *always* catches where one person figured that rule '1a' was a reasonable assumption to make given rule '1'. That's just one brand of complication. The other complications result from differences in memory and motivation and all *sorts* of things can go wrong. Much simpler to assume that there's *no way* to sensibly prevent one's partner from falling in love with someone else, and figure out how to deal with it if it happens. As a result, I'm a big fan of my current setup, which includes safer sex agreements and a promise to always spend time with my boyfriend on his birthday. No "rules" about not sleeping in the same bed with someone else, nothing about spending only time during sex with someone else, no "I have to be in the room while you're playing" kind of shit. And it is, for me, considerably less complicated.
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Re: considering poly
Fri, July 27, 2007 - 12:22 PMFirst thing I'd say is figure out exactly what your looking for. Do you want freedom to go out and do as you please or are you looking for the ability to have multiple meaningful relationships. Once you figure that out it's all about being honest with people. -
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Fri, July 27, 2007 - 12:36 PMI want both!!! I want to go out and do as I please plus have multiple meaningful relationships... Is this too much to ask??? I completely agree w/ you about being honest, that's the most important ingredient in any relationship.
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Fri, July 27, 2007 - 12:39 PMI have to say, I agree witht eh guys on this... first decide what it is you are looking for... what you want, or desire out of this... are you looking for a relationship, or just a playmate....
do you want to "date" or just meet for sex and fun...
there are a couple of decent books.... I ALWAYS recommend the book The Ethical Slut, by Dossie Easton and Catherine A. Liszt,
and a couple of other books..... The New Intimacy: Open-Ended Marriage and Alternative Lifestyles: Books: Ronald Mazur
and, Redefining Our Relationships: Guidelines For Responsible Open Relationships: Books: Wendy-O Matik
take a look at these... see if they help you put into word what you are looking for before jumping in with both feet.....
and then, come back, Lets talk....
Blessings
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Re: considering poly
Sun, October 14, 2007 - 4:40 PMI think that it's really great that you are open to the idea of building new relationships with the possibility of having concurrent intimacy.
I don't think you necessarily have to know what it is you want exactly, but that you are coming out of a long term relationship and are excited to meet new people and develop interesting relationships. Maybe intimacy will develop with existing friends or new ones. Maybe you and your ex- will reconnect and continue a new relationship with different boundaries. There are lots of possiblities ! As long as you consider the people you involve and are able to communicate openly, there is lots of opportunity to learn about yourself and the people you love. I think books as guide lines help too, 'the ethical slut' is a great read.
All the best to you.
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Sun, October 14, 2007 - 10:25 PMwhere do i start??
"help learning where to start.. if anyone has any advice i'd really appreciate it."
Start??
i don't feel i really understand what you are asking for.
i'm of the opinion that being poly is not something you START...Is not something you need to 'explore' or read a book about.
Poly is something you just ARE.
Either you GET IT, or you Do not.
Either you love unconditionally with an open hand or you have a burning need for someone to be your sexual-everything. And want to be someone-else's sexual everything. Either you are a jealous, possessive, insecure, scarcity-mentality type or you are a sharing, open, plenty of loving to go around type.
Try this on for size...
i'm really starting to consider homosexuality and need a bit of help learning where to start.. if anyone has any advice i'd really appreciate it.
or how about..
i always thought i only wanted to rear ONE child. But now i'm really starting to consider raising a SECOND child at the same time and need a bit of help learning where to start.. if anyone has any advice i'd really appreciate it.
would you read a book on BECOMING gay? Or having mutiple children or friends or... LOVERS?
I guess what i am saying is do you really need to get any advice or START to DO anything that you already are... I would THINK a guy your age would already KNOW this stuff about themselves and not really be seeking 'advice' about their own mental make-up or world view.
Perhaps that is not at ALL what you are asking for..
Maybe you KNOW what you are but your question more specifically is how do i now LIVE the lifestyle.. how do i LIVE as i really am...
Even THIS question sounds very much like - i am STRAIGHT but have been living a life of lies as a GAY man all these years.. i am considering living the lifestyle of a straight man and need a bit of help learning where to start.. if anyone has any advice i'd really appreciate it.
Does anyone really NEED any advice on how to START living as is fitting to their own character, desires and world-view??
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Sun, October 14, 2007 - 10:41 PM
Clearly you think of poly as a part of your identity. But we don't all do that. For me, being bisexual is a part of my identity, as is being kinky. Even if I never did anything kinky or sexual again for the rest of my life, I would still *be* bi and kinky.
But I don't feel that way about poly, although I know that many do. For me, poly is something I choose to do in some parts of my life, and may choose not to do in other parts of my life. For example, my husband and I were monogamous for 13 years, before we decided to open our relationship.
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Mon, October 15, 2007 - 12:30 AM<< Either you are a jealous, possessive, insecure, scarcity-mentality type or you are a sharing, open, plenty of loving to go around type. >>
This sort of binary (Us vs. Them) thinking seems unconstructive to me. Human relationships are so complex, with so many shades of gray. Is it really necessary to label folks in this way?
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Mon, October 15, 2007 - 12:47 AMI have to say, this statement bothered me as well
"<< Either you are a jealous, possessive, insecure, scarcity-mentality type or you are a sharing, open, plenty of loving to go around type. >>
I absolutely agree with Buster on this... it's very closed minded to assume that because someone is asking "where to start" it makes them, or would even suggest that they are any of those things you list....
of course.. I am hoping you were simply trying to make a point.. but it was lost in your choice if words that made it appear as if you have it all figured out.. and if this other person doesnt yet know he's somehow less for the not knowing...
it took us YEARS to hone and fine tune our relationship, and we have been living in a completely Open Poly Relationship now for 35+ years...
I STILL go to trusted friends to ask their advise on "where to start" sometimes.. and I KNOW what I am, who I am and what I want....
and YES, Books do help, as does conversations with people that have been doing this for a long time.... as well as those that have just begun to find their place in an alternative lifestyle...
even your reference to being Gay and parenting misses its mark.... MANY people ASK "where do I start" and GOOD FOR THEM too... because without the support from our network how are we ever to learn how to improve our interpersonal relationships... not just on an intimate personal level but in the real world too as we interact with others daily...
Joseph, personally i think your post was harsh and a bit disrespectful of someone risking and reaching out for answers..... I would hope you didnt mean it to be that way.... hopefully you can find it in yourself to allow for others to find their way in whatever way feels most right for them..... and do so without casting your own judgements as it appears in your statement of what you may perceive them to be..... "jealous, possessive, etc....
Bare
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Re: considering poly
Mon, October 15, 2007 - 12:28 PMwow- i apologize for doing such a piss poor job at communicating.
i did not, do not mean to hurt people feelings or appear insensitive.
I honestly do not understand what it is PaTience is asking for.
I offered two very different possible interpretations to his original request.
Was it a question of "identity" or "internal wiring involved" like sexual preference?
Not something i believe that can be found OUT there in network of others or in a book..but only through honest self-inspection.
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Was it a question of PRACTICE. Of- how do i go about now living this internal wiring, this world-view of love and sex and relationships.
Again not likely something you need to go OUTSIDE of yourself for.
Only you know what actions would be most congruent to live out your own unique world-view and internal wiring.
Of these two possible interpretations i could dream up for his post NEITHER of them seem very likely to me so i concluded with:
"The question itself just makes no sense to me i guess..Call me slow but i am clearly not understanding your post."
Part of the reason why i LOVE communication is because i realize that we all hear very different things when read this statement:
i'm really starting to consider poly relationships and need a bit of help learning where to start..
if anyone has any advice i'd really appreciate it.
The important question is- What is it that PaTience was asking for here?
What is his true concern that brings him "risking and reaching out for answers"?
because i care.
(read love)