So, this is probably me being REALLY paranoid, but...
This morning, when I sat down at my desk, I smelled insecticide. Like someone had sprayed with Raid. I wasn't sure where they had sprayed, but I almost felt like I was going to get high off of it. I've had to use alot of Raid before in my life when I lived in a Roach Motel, 'er, I mean an apartment. :P
So, I emailed/called facilities, asking them if they'd actually sprayed insecticide in my part of the building. And my co-worker kindly turned the fan on in the huge room we shared (it's divided up into cubicles), and I propped the door open.
I promptly decided to pump and dump, and only give my son formula tonight.
Facilities called me back to let me know they just had gotten back to their desk, and would have to check on if anything was sprayed on Tuesday.
So, the late night feeding and the morning feeding will both be formula.
I don't know if it was a scheduled spraying, or if maybe the cleaning people saw a column of ants on my desk and "did me a favor" by spraying. Don't know if it's on my desk itself, where I rest my arms. So, don't know if maybe I absorbed any on my skin or just inhaled the leftover fumes. :P
Or I could just be smelling things that aren't there.
So the actual question: if I never get a sure negative answer, or if I get a positive answer on the insecticide, how long should I pump and dump before I start breast feeding again?
Personal messages preferred... I'm horribly behind on reading Tribe.
BTW, doing a google search for insecticide exposure and breast feeding did NOT help me. Except now I know that babies can get malaria from breast milk, and that it's recommended in malarial places to have a mesh sprayed with insecticide protecting your children at night. Uhm, I think... I didn't read too closely on those items. Not in a place with Malaria. May eventually have West Nile over here, but that's probably it.
Thanks for responding to my paranoid post. :)
Oh, how ironic... I think I just got a mosquito bite on my shoulder while typing this, LOL!
This morning, when I sat down at my desk, I smelled insecticide. Like someone had sprayed with Raid. I wasn't sure where they had sprayed, but I almost felt like I was going to get high off of it. I've had to use alot of Raid before in my life when I lived in a Roach Motel, 'er, I mean an apartment. :P
So, I emailed/called facilities, asking them if they'd actually sprayed insecticide in my part of the building. And my co-worker kindly turned the fan on in the huge room we shared (it's divided up into cubicles), and I propped the door open.
I promptly decided to pump and dump, and only give my son formula tonight.
Facilities called me back to let me know they just had gotten back to their desk, and would have to check on if anything was sprayed on Tuesday.
So, the late night feeding and the morning feeding will both be formula.
I don't know if it was a scheduled spraying, or if maybe the cleaning people saw a column of ants on my desk and "did me a favor" by spraying. Don't know if it's on my desk itself, where I rest my arms. So, don't know if maybe I absorbed any on my skin or just inhaled the leftover fumes. :P
Or I could just be smelling things that aren't there.
So the actual question: if I never get a sure negative answer, or if I get a positive answer on the insecticide, how long should I pump and dump before I start breast feeding again?
Personal messages preferred... I'm horribly behind on reading Tribe.
BTW, doing a google search for insecticide exposure and breast feeding did NOT help me. Except now I know that babies can get malaria from breast milk, and that it's recommended in malarial places to have a mesh sprayed with insecticide protecting your children at night. Uhm, I think... I didn't read too closely on those items. Not in a place with Malaria. May eventually have West Nile over here, but that's probably it.
Thanks for responding to my paranoid post. :)
Oh, how ironic... I think I just got a mosquito bite on my shoulder while typing this, LOL!
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Re: Insecticide and breast feeding question
Tue, May 6, 2008 - 7:25 AM<<<Oh, how ironic... I think I just got a mosquito bite on my shoulder while typing this, LOL!>>>
I would say that if you have insecticide in your system that it didn't work!! Or... check to see if that little mosquito died :)
I would also say that you're probably exposed to more carcinogens walking to and from the bus. Try not to worry, but you did the right thing by dumping if that makes you feel better.
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Re: Insecticide and breast feeding question
Tue, May 6, 2008 - 7:55 AM"but you did the right thing by dumping if that makes you feel better."
i totally agree. if you makes you feel better, you're not paranoid! ;)
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Re: Insecticide and breast feeding question
Tue, May 6, 2008 - 10:49 AMsnoopy, i have worried about the same thing....our home has been sprayed twice since my son was born....i just did my best to stay away for the recommended number of hours (the pest control place actually had a timeframe for children to stay away). and i washed things that i thought might go in his mouth afterwards, and all the blankets and sheets i used to cover things (i am super paranoid about this topic as well). if it were up to me, i probably wouldnt have had the spraying done in the first place, but its my moms house, and we have tons of centipedes/scorpions/roaches over here......not sure which is worse, potential exposure to insecticides, or nasty/poisonous bug bites........ah, life.
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Re: Insecticide and breast feeding question
Tue, May 6, 2008 - 1:17 PMWell, it is likely that insecticide could get into your breastmilk. We all live and breathe in a toxic soup these days. HOWEVER, since most cans of formula are lined with BPA and may contain other things that aren't the best for our babies, I still vote for just feeding him your pumped milk. Overall, your milk is the best choice.
I am doing some research on environmental toxins and repro health for work, and I agree, it is scary!!! Try not to get yourself too freaked out!!! -
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Re: Insecticide and breast feeding question
Wed, May 7, 2008 - 1:33 AMThanks, everyone. :)
I gave in and breast fed him Tuesday morning before I went to work. Then at work, I found out that there had been no spraying of insecticide.
It's possible that the cleaning people used something that smells alot like Raid. Or that something else going on in the building smelled like Raid. [There's alot of construction going on.]
Ironically, the facilities dude emailed HR to see if there was a problem with pumping breast milk in your cubicle. I then responded ahead of time trying to assure everyone that I make a huge effort not to expose myself to anyone. I like to pump in my cube because I can keep working, and because it's cleaner than the bathroom. Also, my cube doesn't get alot of traffic, as there are only 2 cubicles occupied in the room I'm in, since the building is still being finished for other people to move into.
Of course, HR had to get politically correct and state that my breast pumping could make other people uncomfortable, and maybe it would be better if I walk over to the other building (about a 5 minute walk), and go into the shower stalls they have in the women's restroom.
Now, you should technically try to pump about 15 minutes every 2 hours or so. I generally don't have time to do that much, and/or get busy writing code. When I do pump, I can still sorta type one-handed, or at least read documentation.
I'm rather pissed about how this turned into another kind of mess. But after talking to my co-worker, (who is a few cubicles down, and never even HEARD me pumping in the first place! So yeah, he wasn't exactly being disturbed, although he said, after realizing I'd been doing that, that he would be very careful when he came over to my cube, LOL!), I became convinced that the best solution was to keep doing what I'm doing and not respond to HR's suggestion.
I thought about putting up a sign saying I was pumping, but my co-worker thought it would be better if I used some yellow construction tape, LOL! It would give someone pause before they enter my cubicle, but not explicitly show that I'm in the middle of pumping.
Man, the world is just nuts. :P
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Re: Insecticide and breast feeding question
Wed, May 7, 2008 - 10:21 AMSnoopy, your company has to provide you a place to pump, it's the law in the state of California. See here, and give a copy to your HR person!
From:
www.wicworks.ca.gov/breastfe...uire.html
Effective January 1, 2002
Provide Break Time for Employees to Express Breastmilk.
Employers shall provide a reasonable amount of break time to accommodate an employee desiring to express breastmilk for the employee's infant child.* If possible, the break time should coincide with the employee's paid break time. If not, the break time need not be paid.
How much time does an employee need to express breastmilk? Typically, a lactating woman would need to express breastmilk about every 2-3 hours when she is away from her baby. Twenty to forty minutes is generally needed for each pump session. Women who double pump (pump both breasts at the same time), generally take less time for pumping than women who single pump (pump one breast at one time). watch
Women need time to set up and clean equipment, collect, label, and store milk. Some women prefer to work while pumping by reading or reviewing work related materials. If however, additional time is unpaid, consider allowing employees to arrive earlier or stay later than their normal work schedule to make up their time.
*Exemptions
An employer is not required to provide unpaid break time if to do so would seriously disrupt the operations.
Provide the Employee with the Use of a Room to Express Breastmilk.
Employers shall make a reasonable effort to provide employees with the use of a room or other location for the employee to express milk. This space should be private and in close proximity to the employee's work area. This space should not be a toilet stall.
Examples of workplace spaces used for expressing breastmilk:
* A vacant office
* A room which can be arranged to be used by the lactating employee during specific times of the day
* A women's lounge area
* A first aid room
* A dressing room
* A cubicle with a curtain (A last resort, if no other space is available!)
A room can be made private by having a lock on the door, placing a message on the door that the room is in use, drawing blinds or curtains, covering curtain-less windows with paper if necessary, or setting up a portable partition.
Civil Penalty For Violators
Employers that do not comply with the provisions of the law could be subject to a civil penalty of one hundred dollars ($100) for each violation by the Labor Commissioner.
Although not required by law to be provided by the employer, the following items are generally needed to express milk in the workplace.
* A clean, safe water source, sink, disinfectant dish soap, and paper towels nearby for washing hands and breast pump equipment.
* A refrigerator or ice chest to keep breastmilk from spoiling.
* A heated room or space with an electrical outlet for employees who use an electric breast pump to express milk.
* A comfortable chair to sit in while expressing milk.
* A small table for pumping supplies.
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Re: Insecticide and breast feeding question
Yesterday, 4:08 PMThanks for the information, Simone! :)
I think, since I'm pretty far removed from office habitation in the room I'm in, and don't get much traffic, and only have one roommate who is in another cubicle and is cool with the breast pumping, that I'm just going to keep doing what I've been doing until I either get caught or am done breast feeding.
And ask for "forgiveness" rather than "permission", LOL.
And present what you wrote as my defense. :)
Thanks, Simone!
-- Snoopy
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