This is a silly question.
Phat, in mantra, is pronounced like "put"? Like "but" with a "p"?
Phat, in mantra, is pronounced like "put"? Like "but" with a "p"?
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Re: Phat
Sat, February 9, 2008 - 7:30 AMIt is pronounced "pay!" with an aspirated "p". It is a very sudden and sharp sound and is meant to "cut through" conceptual noise and other causes of obscuration (as well as getting the attention of various beings, frightening those that are unwanted etc.)
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Re: Phat
Sat, February 9, 2008 - 9:43 AMPart of the difficulty is the use of the "h." In English we don't have a lot of obvious uses for this aspirated sound. Another difficulty is that India is a huge country with many dialects. What's "right" in one area is "wrong" in another.
I was taught the pronunciation this way:
Say the words: TOP HAT. Now say it the same way, but without the TO at the beginning. Thus, according to my teacher, it sounds like "pat" (as in "to pat a dog on the head") but with the aspirate between the P and the A.
I hope this helps.
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Re: Phat
Thu, February 14, 2008 - 8:09 PMSorry, but neither of the above two replies are accurate. The most correct way to pronounce the bija akshara is rhyming with "shut", but with an aspirated "h" sound. More commonly, however, the "ph" consonant sound in Sanskrit (and other languages such as Hindi, Marathi etc) is colloquially pronounced the same as the "f" in fun. So, more commonly the way the bija is chanted is "fut", rhyming with "shut". -
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Re: Phat
Wed, February 27, 2008 - 7:44 PM"Sorry, but neither of the above two replies are accurate. The most correct way to pronounce the bija akshara is rhyming with "shut", but with an aspirated "h" sound. More commonly, however, the "ph" consonant sound in Sanskrit (and other languages such as Hindi, Marathi etc) is colloquially pronounced the same as the "f" in fun. So, more commonly the way the bija is chanted is "fut", rhyming with "shut"."
YUP. I got to side with this baba. PHUT the bij that kills. -
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Re: Phat
Wed, February 27, 2008 - 9:34 PMIt's amazing how many trained experts have different answers to a simple question.
Is it possible that some of these answers are based on dogma and ignore the fact that there are dialectical and local pronunciations?
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Re: Phat
Wed, February 27, 2008 - 10:08 PMI was watching a video today, and a bunch of sadhus were chanting mantras in a way that I immediately recognized as incorrect as far as I've learned Sanskrit... it is interesting how even in a supposed static language there are many regional variations. I notice this especially with CDs I have of chanting that come from the south; it's quite pronounced vs. those that come from the north. -
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Re: Phat
Wed, February 27, 2008 - 11:56 PM
real focus of mantra is to vibrate/activate paths within the astral body
once building the sensitivity, it's about learning how to match those vibrations with your inner-body
I've found my voice will change dramatically as I enter different states of conciousness... while doing mantra in higher chakras, my voice becomes almost metallic for instance
hence there is an inner guidance the shows how to correctly make these mantras effective... it's not about sounding good outwardly
I found very recently that my favorite manta of om nama shivaya actually was placing restrictions and limitations on my energetic expression/freedom. I found the freedom by saying the mantra backwards... ayavish aman mo and back into the boundless freedom I was
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Re: Phat
Thu, February 28, 2008 - 8:51 AMI partially agree with you, Ramiel.
I would suggest that mantras not only activate paths within the astral body, but also within the external universe.
If people only look to books and teachers for instructions on how to do things, then those practices become moribund and dead. Instead, I would suggest learning how to become attuned to the multiple bodies (koshas) and the non-physical universe. Then, use what the teachers and books share as a starting point--not some inevitable law.
Finally, try any practice or mantra and see what its effects on your bodies and the universe are. If it's not having a desired effect, simply repeating it expecting a different result, IMO, is nothing more that a sign of at least stupidity and possibly insanity.
Modify it! Find out what works for you. Repeat it and see if it always works for you. Share it with others a something that works for you, not something that must work for them.
IMO the bottom line shouldn't be "does it follow the rules?" Rather, the only thing that is important should be "does it work?" As one occultist wrote: "Let success be your proof."
Namaste!
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Re: Phat
Tue, May 27, 2008 - 12:21 AM>>once building the sensitivity, it's about learning how to match those vibrations with your inner-body
Yes, it's definitely a mater of 'feeling' the pronunciation. I don't always do it right, but I can tell when I do.
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Re: Phat
Wed, February 20, 2008 - 7:00 AMIn some martial arts they use that sound
to rythm moves.
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Re: Phat
Tue, February 26, 2008 - 9:19 PMPHAT, the seed-syllable mantra of vanquishing evils and obstacles.
Proper pronunciation:
PHA should be pronounced like FAW (like awe and not like aa). PH like F should come from the lips with a stress on H to make the exhale pronounced.
T should be pronounced with the tongue tip touching the hard palate and the pronunciation taps in heart centre.
PHA starts gushing out air sucked out from heart and ends up in T with a mantra lock in heart as well as a lock in the chi point (three fingersbreadths down from navel). The mantra is arising from heart and getting sealed back into the heart with a round breathing. Together with it don't forget to stamp your left heel on the ground with the pronouncement. It gives immense courage in mind. The mantra is connected to the left nadi through heart earthing through the left heel giving a shoot-up of energy to the head.
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Re: Phat
Fri, May 16, 2008 - 9:12 AMThe right pronunciation of Phat is more like "pat" like how you say "but" + when you are saying "p" just press your lips together a little harder for a little longer (say 3/4 sec).
pat (like but) with 3/4 Sec harder and longer "p". Languages that f\do not have "ph" or which pronounces "ph" and "fa" differ a bit from the correct pronouciation.
net: "Ph" is a more stressed and accentuated "p"
Chakora...
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