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Anosmia?
The full term paper topic would be "Anosmia and Agnosticism, Accepting the Intangible."
Last time I checked, medical terms were specifically excluded from the SATs and other standardized tests. Nor would it likely be referenced in any literature or scholarly writings. So for those unfamiliar with the term:
Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary
Main Entry: an·os·mia
Pronunciation: (an-oz-mee-uh)
: loss or impairment of the sense of smell
That's me. An Anosmiac. As a child I had an accident that resulted in my nose and nasal cavities being crushed. My sense of smell is so diminished that effectively I have none. As a rule, unless you are sensing a burning sensation in the back of your throat, I am sensing nothing. Ammonia, Alcohol, Mint and Eucalyptus oils, those register as distinct sensations. Gas, Flowers, Garlic, Fecal Matter, Perfume, Cookies, those are all lost on me completely.
The first question folks always ask is, "Does that mean you can't taste anything?" The answer is "No." Remember that chart from kindergarten? It usually is a poster with cartoon drawings of Eyes, Ears, Nose, Mouth and Hands, representing the *Five* senses Sight, Hearing, Smell, Taste and Touch. I have *Four* senses, Taste is one of them.
The confusion comes from the sensation of "Flavor" that is derived from food. Flavor, is an experience derived from the combined sensations of Taste and Smell. For me, it is limited to just Taste. What I experience as Flavor is considerably different from other people. I love garlic, curry and spicy foods. I can't tell a Coke from a Pepsi and all coffee tastes the same to me.
A side effect of my condition is called Phantosmia: smelling an odor for which there is no stimulus, a ‘phantom smell’.
Its similar to what happens to you when you close your eyes. You don't "See" anything, but there are amorphous images that your brain usually ignores unless you focus on them. I sometimes have a vivid sensation of smell that nobody else is smelling. It seems real to me, but anyone I ask denies any knowledge of it. It can be humorous when I am asked to describe the smell since I have no frame of reference. What am I supposed to say? "It smells like purple."? Folks would sometimes accuse me of lying about what I was smelling.
Time for the connection to Agnosticism. I will present it here as a single coherent thought pattern, though in reality, my perspective evolved over several years.
I was born and raised as a true atheist (note the lower case letter "a"). I never considered religion in any way. I knew it existed, but to me it fell in the same category as sports teams or TV shows, something people did together to entertain themselves. It never dawned on me that there were some people who actually believed was an real unseen being that had created everything in the universe and hung around to listen to their problems.
Up through middle school I was educated in a very specialized semi experimental subset of the public school system. I pretty much ran with the same crowd for the duration. We all had similar views, essentially no view. In high school that all changed. I was exposed to the mainstream of belief systems. I was astonished to find that the overwhelming majority of Americans believed literally in the "Virgin Birth of Jesus Christ" and the "Death and Resurrection of Jesus Christ", (Conveniently juxtaposed with the childhood icons of Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, respectively.) They were not particularly tolerant of my, rarely expressed, views on the subject either. My teenaged angst and newly flowing testosterone asserted themselves and I became an outspoken Atheist. (again note the now capital letter "A"). Most of high school and through most of college I would take any opportunity to expound at length on the irrationality or outright evils of religion. All of the standard arguments were set forth with vigor and vitriol.
All of the above was a gradual change of orientation and belief over the course of years. What followed next was not. It was an epiphany. Specifically, it occurred on a Spring morning at the International House of Pancakes on Ventura Boulevard, while waiting to be seated. I was flipping through the paper and came across a small classified add announcing a meeting of the SFV Atheists Society. The add was in the religious section nestled amongst all of the weekend's postings by the local churches, mosques and temples with the times and dates of weekend services. There it is was in black and white. Atheism was a religion. It required no greater and, more importantly, No Lesser, leap of faith.
My experience with Anosmia came immediately to mind. All of my life, I had been face by this invisible, intangible force that I could never experience, but everyone around me insisted was "real". I had a great deal of anecdotal evidence, having gotten into plenty of trouble committing adolescent offenses and getting tripped up by the smell detected by my parents. (These usually involved fire). To me Smell was like ESP, but I didn't doubt that it existed. I just believed that I was the only guy around without ESP.
This was different though. With the exception of a few historically notably religious figures, nobody claimed to "smell God". They all "believed" in God, but they did not have first hand experience. Spiritually speaking , Everyone was an Anosmiac. It was entirely based on Faith. Moreover, looking at the world overall, they didn't simply believe in God. They believed in many different versions of a god. Some interpretations were wildly different than others. People went to war and committed genocide over these differences of opinions about something they had never actually physically experienced.
Nobody has a sense of Mystical Truth. All of these different interpretations of the One True God seemed more like my experience with Phantosmia. In the face of a lack of sensory input , human minds were constructing vivid experiences of the Mystical. But I couldn't know, nobody could, it was truly Unknowable.
At the time, in school, I was deeply involved in the statistics of prediction and probability theory. There is a concept referred to as Schrodinger's Cat. Put a cat into an impenetrable box along with a device that has a fifty percent chance of delivering an instantly fatal poison to the cat. Seal the box. The thinking is, that until the box is opened and the state of the cat is observed, the cat is neither alive nor dead. It exists in a state of uncertainty. In a sense, it is 50% alive and 50% dead. You could fiddle with the device and adjust it so that it is very unlikely that it will trigger. The cat will therefore be "almost certainly alive.", but still, "it might be dead."
Taking this concept and applying it to the Unknowable Nature of Mystical Truth spawns the concept of Probabilistic Polytheism. All belief systems existing, ancient or yet to be conceived are neither True nor UnTrue. They all exist in a state of uncertainty, Possibly True. Throw in the mystical equivalent of Phantosmia and one realizes that mankind will be continually coming up with new and interesting ways of looking at the Mystical world. It is an exciting way to live. It allows for Santa Claus, Immortal Souls, Divine Benevolence, Brimstone and Unicorns.
Anosmia!
The full term paper topic would be "Anosmia and Agnosticism, Accepting the Intangible."
Last time I checked, medical terms were specifically excluded from the SATs and other standardized tests. Nor would it likely be referenced in any literature or scholarly writings. So for those unfamiliar with the term:
Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary
Main Entry: an·os·mia
Pronunciation: (an-oz-mee-uh)
: loss or impairment of the sense of smell
That's me. An Anosmiac. As a child I had an accident that resulted in my nose and nasal cavities being crushed. My sense of smell is so diminished that effectively I have none. As a rule, unless you are sensing a burning sensation in the back of your throat, I am sensing nothing. Ammonia, Alcohol, Mint and Eucalyptus oils, those register as distinct sensations. Gas, Flowers, Garlic, Fecal Matter, Perfume, Cookies, those are all lost on me completely.
The first question folks always ask is, "Does that mean you can't taste anything?" The answer is "No." Remember that chart from kindergarten? It usually is a poster with cartoon drawings of Eyes, Ears, Nose, Mouth and Hands, representing the *Five* senses Sight, Hearing, Smell, Taste and Touch. I have *Four* senses, Taste is one of them.
The confusion comes from the sensation of "Flavor" that is derived from food. Flavor, is an experience derived from the combined sensations of Taste and Smell. For me, it is limited to just Taste. What I experience as Flavor is considerably different from other people. I love garlic, curry and spicy foods. I can't tell a Coke from a Pepsi and all coffee tastes the same to me.
A side effect of my condition is called Phantosmia: smelling an odor for which there is no stimulus, a ‘phantom smell’.
Its similar to what happens to you when you close your eyes. You don't "See" anything, but there are amorphous images that your brain usually ignores unless you focus on them. I sometimes have a vivid sensation of smell that nobody else is smelling. It seems real to me, but anyone I ask denies any knowledge of it. It can be humorous when I am asked to describe the smell since I have no frame of reference. What am I supposed to say? "It smells like purple."? Folks would sometimes accuse me of lying about what I was smelling.
Time for the connection to Agnosticism. I will present it here as a single coherent thought pattern, though in reality, my perspective evolved over several years.
I was born and raised as a true atheist (note the lower case letter "a"). I never considered religion in any way. I knew it existed, but to me it fell in the same category as sports teams or TV shows, something people did together to entertain themselves. It never dawned on me that there were some people who actually believed was an real unseen being that had created everything in the universe and hung around to listen to their problems.
Up through middle school I was educated in a very specialized semi experimental subset of the public school system. I pretty much ran with the same crowd for the duration. We all had similar views, essentially no view. In high school that all changed. I was exposed to the mainstream of belief systems. I was astonished to find that the overwhelming majority of Americans believed literally in the "Virgin Birth of Jesus Christ" and the "Death and Resurrection of Jesus Christ", (Conveniently juxtaposed with the childhood icons of Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, respectively.) They were not particularly tolerant of my, rarely expressed, views on the subject either. My teenaged angst and newly flowing testosterone asserted themselves and I became an outspoken Atheist. (again note the now capital letter "A"). Most of high school and through most of college I would take any opportunity to expound at length on the irrationality or outright evils of religion. All of the standard arguments were set forth with vigor and vitriol.
All of the above was a gradual change of orientation and belief over the course of years. What followed next was not. It was an epiphany. Specifically, it occurred on a Spring morning at the International House of Pancakes on Ventura Boulevard, while waiting to be seated. I was flipping through the paper and came across a small classified add announcing a meeting of the SFV Atheists Society. The add was in the religious section nestled amongst all of the weekend's postings by the local churches, mosques and temples with the times and dates of weekend services. There it is was in black and white. Atheism was a religion. It required no greater and, more importantly, No Lesser, leap of faith.
My experience with Anosmia came immediately to mind. All of my life, I had been face by this invisible, intangible force that I could never experience, but everyone around me insisted was "real". I had a great deal of anecdotal evidence, having gotten into plenty of trouble committing adolescent offenses and getting tripped up by the smell detected by my parents. (These usually involved fire). To me Smell was like ESP, but I didn't doubt that it existed. I just believed that I was the only guy around without ESP.
This was different though. With the exception of a few historically notably religious figures, nobody claimed to "smell God". They all "believed" in God, but they did not have first hand experience. Spiritually speaking , Everyone was an Anosmiac. It was entirely based on Faith. Moreover, looking at the world overall, they didn't simply believe in God. They believed in many different versions of a god. Some interpretations were wildly different than others. People went to war and committed genocide over these differences of opinions about something they had never actually physically experienced.
Nobody has a sense of Mystical Truth. All of these different interpretations of the One True God seemed more like my experience with Phantosmia. In the face of a lack of sensory input , human minds were constructing vivid experiences of the Mystical. But I couldn't know, nobody could, it was truly Unknowable.
At the time, in school, I was deeply involved in the statistics of prediction and probability theory. There is a concept referred to as Schrodinger's Cat. Put a cat into an impenetrable box along with a device that has a fifty percent chance of delivering an instantly fatal poison to the cat. Seal the box. The thinking is, that until the box is opened and the state of the cat is observed, the cat is neither alive nor dead. It exists in a state of uncertainty. In a sense, it is 50% alive and 50% dead. You could fiddle with the device and adjust it so that it is very unlikely that it will trigger. The cat will therefore be "almost certainly alive.", but still, "it might be dead."
Taking this concept and applying it to the Unknowable Nature of Mystical Truth spawns the concept of Probabilistic Polytheism. All belief systems existing, ancient or yet to be conceived are neither True nor UnTrue. They all exist in a state of uncertainty, Possibly True. Throw in the mystical equivalent of Phantosmia and one realizes that mankind will be continually coming up with new and interesting ways of looking at the Mystical world. It is an exciting way to live. It allows for Santa Claus, Immortal Souls, Divine Benevolence, Brimstone and Unicorns.
Anosmia!
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Re: Anosmia, expanded.
Tue, January 9, 2007 - 7:43 PMMy original post was actually extracted from an occaisional correspondence I have with an enchanting young lady who has something of a philosophical obsession. Her response was compelling enough, that I thought it deserved web play over here.
Quotes start here:
"One of the things that struck me-- you went somewhere different with anosmia and agnosticism than I was expecting, towards the end. You say it's like everyone has religious anosmia, no one can "smell God." However, I recently made a reasonably in-depth study of religion, in hopes of better understanding fundamentalism, and as a result, religious violence. One of the striking things I've found is what an incredible minority western secular thinkers really are. Looking at all the worlds' peoples, those of us who question faith should not be going around trying to study people who believe in God and figure out why that is-- we should be studied! "Who are these strange people who do not feel the force of God in their daily lives, and why do they experience that lack?" Because we are the anomalies; in fact, well, it sort of depends on what you believe about evolution, but if you think that cultures, at least, evolved somewhat seperately from one another, well-- every culture has a God, and it's very possible that the concept of God and a belief in the divine is as natural and automatic as any of our other senses. I remember as a kid really, really strongly believing God. Note "believing God" rather than "believing in God" or any specific religion; I wasn't sure what, exactly, I believed about God, just that I did believe about God. And I remember it as not a strong force or as something I'd been told and did not question, but rather something as simple and obvious as the smell of cookies. How, I wondered when I first heard of atheists, could anyone not believe in God? To me it was purely self-evidently true. "Do you exist?" Yes. "Does God exist?" Yes. "How do you know-- prove it." I would not have been able to answer. I still can't-- but I'm still pretty sure I do believe in God, in some vague, hopeful kind of way. Perhaps, then, the religious anosmia, to carry on with that metaphore, is not common to everyone but specific to those who doubt their faith. That is, my studies have shown that the majority of people really can smell God; they feel God as a tangible, motivating and self-evident part of their lives, and atheists, agnostics and all those in doubt lack this perception. (This doesn't necessitate that they're wrong, merely that there's a sensation built into the human brain which they lack.)
Thank you, also, for teaching me a new word.
I know about Schrodinger's cat; I actually used it in my best college essay, combined with eternal recurrance and a new Dead Kennedy theory to project the image of half an infinity of Kennedys banging on the lids to their coffins, screaming to be let out. Such a shining moment!
However, I don't actually agree with the uncertainty priciple-- at least, not in its manifestation, as you described of, if a tree falls in a forest and no one hears it then it Maybe makes a sound. The cat is either alive or dead, we just don't bloody know-- in my opinion, at least. Possibly. Because then that leads to fatalism-- so the future cat is either alive or dead because the future cat cannot be both, and in that case isn't the future of the cat pre-determined, and in that case why bother opening the box, let's just sit here and eat chips! Or the multiverse idea-- that there are infinate parallel universes packed together like tissue paper, and as we make choices, we steer our consiousness into the universe where the cat is alive, or the universe where it's dead, and that it's alive in one and dead in the other but can't be both at the same time in the same universe, and then there's what about the conciousness of the bloody cat? Doesn't the cat know? It isn't very uncertain to the cat, then, is it? So maybe it's only your personal universe in which this is uncertain, or which has yet to be steered-- and if your lab partner turns his back while you open the box, is it certain in your universe and uncertain in his? Is he standing in a different universe than you? Excuse the thought, I'm not aware of the existence of your mother. I have no idea whether or not she is alive or dead. But surely you know, and surely she knows! Is her existence certain or uncertain?
Philosophy is such a glorious mess. "
Quotes End Here.
Thank you for your contribution Libby.
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Re: Anosmia, expanded.
Tue, January 9, 2007 - 8:12 PMThat's strip Chinese Checkers mister.... and this time I'm going to win! Let's have some good wine and talk about the smell of purple. Heading over... now!
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Re: Anosmia, expanded.
Wed, October 10, 2007 - 1:07 PM1stly, this is a gas: try correlating the definitions of agnostic & gnostic.
now then, what i hear you saying is that you don't believe in God essentially b/c you have no experiential knowledge of God but that perhaps there are times when you get a waft of the existence of God, much like the indeterminate fragrances you pick up on from time to time. -is that right?
let's clarify for starters b/f delving full throttle into mind-bending conversation.
for the record, i am a charismatic transcendentalist existentialist mystic & i write poetry. my IQ is 143 but i'm diagnosed clinically insane. and when asked if the glass is 1/2 full or empty, i will likely reply, "let's go ask the h2o & the glass how they feel about it."
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Re: Anosmia, expanded.
Wed, October 10, 2007 - 2:00 PMClose, but no cigar. (Its over in The Bar.)
I DO believe in God, BECAUSE I can't have any experiential knowledge of God. So certainly, God, *might* exist.
While I am at it, I extend that resoning to ALL of the gods that I can't ever experience, including the possibilty of No God(s).
There is a 100% chance that something is true, even if its something I haven't thought about. (In an infinite universe, that is most likely the case, but there isn't much fun in thinking about that one.)
So, I do not disbeleive anything, rather I partially believe Everything.
Some famous rabid atheist who's name I can't recall, likes to taunt his debate opponents by reminding them that they really are not so different. Of the thousands of religions that they both choose not to beleive in, he just believes in one less. -
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Re: Anosmia, expanded.
Wed, October 10, 2007 - 3:02 PM"rather I partially believe Everything." = my respect for you just sky-rocketed. that is one of sanest, soundest statements i've heard in a very long time.
now BECAUSE i respect you, i have to disagree w/ something else you said. "can't ever experience" is a strong stance in a universe of infinite possibilities, don't you think?
i can say that i believe in God b/c i have experienced God (which i have) & that raises a profound point: is truth (like faith) subjective?
take schrondinger's *blasted umlaut key's gone missing* example. besides the apparent animal-cruelty factor, what's being challenged here are 2 things: 1) reality & 2) observation. oh wait... maybe 1 + 2 = 1 in this case...
isn't the discussion of reality actually based upon ASSUMPTION OF REALITY? you sit in a chair, assuming it (along w/ gravity) will hold you up & that formulates your reality of that chair/its' function/and the bigger picture called TRUST. reversal of fortunes: someone tells you that chairs are there to support your weight so that you can sit above ground-level, so you try it, and you fall. -does that mean that someone lied about the chair, that the chair failed you, that you didn't believe enough in the chair, or simply that your fat ass was too heavy? (religion is NOT the same as spirituality... ONCE & FOR ALL!)
i'm not actually trying to be facetious. my point is that in order for us to function in society it's essential to believe in organized reality. -people call this "normalcy"... but what it really boils down to is well, shamanism. the Q still remains: are 1 & 2 distinct? can something be observed w/o being affected by the observer? concurrently, does the observation exist if it isn't being observed?
the english language definition of "belief system" is essentially - a set of precepts that govern our actions. but the consistency of our actions equally determine our identity, which makes us (cringe) human beings kind of like biochemical computers... able to be programmed & re-programmed according to what we presuppose to be free will. *given an infinite universe, what exactly ARE my options to choose from?
i have personally witnessed a few options & can assuredly state that God does indeed exist. God exists b/c i know God... in fact, i could substantiate God's existence more than yours karl, since i've only ever HEARD about you. :D
i have seen God, i have heard God, i have felt God... if God were a cat inside a contaminated box... oh, never mind... schrodinger & heisenberg said the same thing: the observer exists, the observation exists b/c the observer sticks around long enough to tell us all about it. -otherwise, who cares?
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Re: Anosmia, expanded.
Wed, October 10, 2007 - 4:27 PM" -otherwise, who cares? "
Now there is the most salient point of all.
The marvelous Miss. Libby (who might be God, or an A.I. or an 18 year old high school cheerleader. I'll never know) pointed out to me that Schrodinger & Heisenberg , useful as they are for keeping one's thought honest, can only be taken so far. The Hypothetical Cat might only have a limboesque probability of life or death, but I damn well know that my mother is alive and well, and I act as if she is until the moment I find out that she isn't at which point I act as if she is dead. We can Think hypothetically, but we live Practically.
Doing anything other than living based on our Assumption of Reality is entirely impractical. You sit in the chair, if it drops you on your ass, next time you check the chair.
Now for the part that's stickier than that spot we all try to avoid right after,
"can't ever experience G(g)od(s)."
Slightly less precise language than I should have used, but I am not a good enough typist to caveat every statement fully.
"Can't ever be certain you have experienced God."
Closer to what I meant, but hold on a moment, (here's the wet spot) experiencing God isn't like meeting your long lost uncle. Its got to be different, a singular experience, otherwise you really talking about something less ("less"? hmm don't like that word here, but keep it for now.) than meeting God. In God, we are talking about a something so profound and unique, that it is reasonable to assume that one of the attributes of having the experience is knowing you had it , with 100.00% certainty.
Ouch, bummer for us who haven't had that experience. Not only do We not know what You know, but We know that You can't know what you know.
AND WE'RE RIGHT.... until we aren't.
Of such stuff wars are made.
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Re: Anosmia, expanded.
Wed, October 10, 2007 - 7:06 PMTHAT'S THE BIGGEST BUMMER OF ALL. i don't claim to be right. i don't have to. and i really don't think that's the point. the point is that everyone's experience is unique & equally valid... it doesn't matter whether we agree or not ultimately... but staying open to possibility & being willing to try another approach keeps me from the path of judgment.
wars are based upon gain. - the discussion of belief systems in light of war is red herring, plain & simple.
& of course, practicality is all well & good but remember for assumptive reality but there are plenty of people who operate on multiple realities. it may not occur to check the next chair out b/c i may have patterned the last blue chair as unstable for future reference or decided to genuflect b/f the next chair in order to become worthy of placing my fanny upon it... this is dogma/sometimes liturgy/occasionally superstition & it may seem impractical or silly to you but cultures are built around this stuff.
i would challenge YOUR assumption of practicality as a means to an end, ESPECIALLY in a discussion a/b reality try telling a martyr that his/her death is impractical. explain to a someone who's been healed (or cursed) about hypothetical thinking. to assume that there is a reality that makes living practical is to assume (i guess) that your take on reality is right, which i doubt. Jesus claimed to the way, the truth, and the life... and there are lots of folks who doubt him, too.
i don't mean to be argumentative but the issue stopped being about right-ness during my missionary days. when in rome, you begin to discover new ways of seeing old things... if you want to fit in, that is... or in a broader sense, evolve.
it's easy enough to entertain philosophical discussion, true enough, in the so-called average couldashouldawoulda world but in real daily life, newton's 1st law of motion is "let them eat cake" for a percentage of the population. what i mean is: if you could not handle your mother's passing, you might continue to operate in the (albeit suspended) reality that she is still alive. and your psyche would sustain that belief until/if such time as you were able to hold the "practical" reality.
and the only real reason i care @ all is not so i can figure out what's right or practical... but so i can come to understand. -that creates compassion. and that... is... God. -
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Re: Anosmia, expanded.
Wed, October 10, 2007 - 8:42 PMI need to beef this up a bit with less wordplay and more meaning.
>>Not only do We not know what You know, but We know that You can't know what you know.
AND WE'RE RIGHT.... until we aren't.
The "Right" I am talking about is that for me there is no "Wrong". Even if there is a "Right" that does not need to make anything else "Wrong". I have no trouble at all accepting your spiritual experience as 100% valid. However *I* have not experienced it personally, so for me, it is an experience that may or may not be something I encounter (personal side note: I hope I do). Until I do, I cannot have the certainty that you do and I am correct in keeping my mind open to all of the lovely possibilities and my eyes open watching out for the not so nice ones. You'll notice, by extrapolation, I am comfy with the idea of a whole bunch of 100% valid points of view. First of all, most spiritual points of view are not really mutually exclusive. Secondly. Infinity is big.
{You're dead right on War, being about gain, but the way I see it, when you use the word War instead of Piracy, you are saying that you have sprinkled some Hate on top of the Theft and Murder as a justification}
I am going to have to ponder Practicality a bit more. (I've type and erased a lot in the space above).
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Re: Anosmia, expanded.
Thu, October 11, 2007 - 6:27 PMBourbon is both a means and an end. It always treats me well.
In return I worship it with all due solemnity.
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Re: Anosmia, expanded.
Wed, October 31, 2007 - 2:02 PMI have been a little bit distracted by the collapse of my empire to take the time to focus back on this one, but it has not faded from my mind.
If for no reason beyond a personal belief that Pretty Girls with Beautiful Minds are a treasure that must never be ignored or neglected, I have pondered this one for days and weeks.
So, after much delay, I will address "Practicality" as referenced in my previous musings on this thread.
The American Heritage Dictionary gives us
"The characteristic of, relating to, governed by, or acquired through practice or action,
rather than theory, speculation, or ideals."
A fundamental aspect of Probabilistic Polytheism is that it is unhelpful in the way of guidance for day to day living. More strictly speaking, it provides too much guidance. Instead of being enclosed a dark room, you are standing in an open theo-philosophical field with floodlights shining in your eyes from every direction. You still can't see any better where to put your foot down for your next step.
While it is uplifting and enlightening to see the infinity of the universe in all of its glory, there is little direct, "Practical" guidance for day to day life.
Jews keeping Kosher know not to eat pork.
On December 22 the Wiccans will gather to celebrate the Winter Solstice.
This Sunday, many Christians will make time to observe their faith.
Five times a day devout Muslims will turn to Mecca for Salah
A Probabilistic Polytheist, believing in the validity of everything, cannot possibly observe all of the rules and customs of every religion she believes in. It can be enlightening to participate in many of these things, but it can't be a requirement. Likewise, the Probabilistic Polytheist's moral code cannot come from a list of rules provided in the instruction book. She can ponder the unknowable as much as she wishes, but to function in the day to day world amongst other people, choices must be made. Acceptable assumptions based on personal experience and preference are required. Implicit in those assumptions is a framework for reality that allows the person to function and interact with other members of society.
She could choose assumptions that do not perform that function, but that would pretty much be the very definition of insanity. Living in a reality that almost everyone else does not relate to. Not that there isn't something to be said for the life of a happy lunatic, but it does not appeal to me overall. I may be a figment of someone else's imagination, but I choose to act as if I am conscious and self willed, and treat others as if they are as well.
There is absolutely no requirement to agree with anyone else or reconcile the belief systems that causes people to behave in certain ways. If you and I go on a hike through the forest together, you may be doing it for fitness reasons and I might be looking for unicorns. We both still have a nice hike. Whether you kill me to take my wristwatch or you kill me because God told you to, everyone else has a vested interest in seeing the crime punished.
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Re: Anosmia, expanded.
Thu, November 1, 2007 - 11:51 AMi couldn't agree more.
actions determine.
questions are not dogma, but they can begin to formulate a liturgy for the self-aware. let's be non-abstract (how boring!) for a moment:
growing up roman catholic, i went to mass very morning b/f school. that was part of our daily liturgy. we also actively participated in the holy sacraments like confession which informed of behavior: "forgive me father, i have sinned. it has been ____ days since my last confession."
i may not be a practicing catholic anymore, but i did read the catechism (the whole thing!) in an effort to explain to my protestant friends where specific traditions came from, biblically or non. years later, it served well to encourage my missionary cohorts to stop passing out flyers saying that catholics were going to burn in hell over in mauritius. actually, the entire experience served m well.
all experience serves us well... WHEN WE ASK THE QUESTIONS.
i call it question graduation. when we are young, we ask alot of "WHY's." -why did this happen to me? why do i seem to repeat the same mistakes? why is the sky blue? (ok, that one we know the answer to... but anyway!)
next, we move onto the "HOW." -how can i make this better? how am i affecting the situation? how does gravity work?
* experiment... experiment... experiment...
then, the "WHAT." (this is my personal favorite.) -what am i going to do? what is the next step? what makes such-and-such tick.
next the "WHEN" & then the "WHERE" in no particular order, necessarily.
actually, none of this is in particular order, per se. the POINT however is gathering INFO. in order to produce an ACTION.
i do not subscribe to much. my tenets are few but steadfast. one of those is that human beings are walking contradictions. @ the core of this belief, is the unhindering hope that we are all still TRYING.
it may not be alot like waiting in line to receive eucharist each 8:45 am, but it is a kind of liturgy for me to close my day each & every day, asking myself the question, "what did i learn today that i never knew b/f?"
i am not a probalistic polytheist. i am me. and as the beatles said, "i am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together."
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Re: Anosmia, expanded.
Thu, November 1, 2007 - 12:13 PMI like the way you think about it.
"WHAT" is killing me right now.
I think we've taken this as far as we can without being drunk and naked.
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Re: Anosmia, expanded.
Thu, November 1, 2007 - 1:46 PMunderstood, cap'n.
think no more on it, til partaken.
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Re: Anosmia, expanded.
Thu, November 1, 2007 - 7:17 PMoh good.. we've returned to what's REALLY important ...
naked
hot tub
drinks
oh, bartender....
whoops!
wrong tribe
(naked bunny scurries off to find hot tub, drink.. and the right tribe)
pssst..!
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Re: Anosmia, expanded.
Fri, November 2, 2007 - 11:50 AMI love my friends...
Really...I do....
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Re: Anosmia, expanded.
Mon, November 26, 2007 - 10:36 PMI just read this whole post with all the back and forth.
Very interesting, but I'm with KBunny - Where's that hot tub? -
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Re: Anosmia, expanded.
Tue, November 27, 2007 - 1:49 PM
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