Inducing trance states

topic posted Mon, December 11, 2006 - 3:27 AM by  Deez
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I am interested in inducing trance states. I have been doing self-hypnosis for a while with a program that allows the user to create their own sessions. It's nice, in my opinion. I'm interested in going further without the aid of entheogens, although I have access to them. I want to induce trance states to move into the outer invisible world (assuming that hypnosis focuses on the internal world.). Any thoughts, suggestions, resources. Peace and Love
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Deez
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  • Re: Inducing trance states

    Tue, December 12, 2006 - 3:48 PM
    which states are you interested in inducing, and, what trance states are you currently able to access?
    Do you know?
    • Re: Inducing trance states

      Tue, December 12, 2006 - 6:16 PM
      No I don't know. I do self-hypnosis quite frequently, but I don't know what trance state that is. I want to be able to induce a trance that will allow me to have a shamanic journey.
      • Re: Inducing trance states

        Wed, December 13, 2006 - 6:50 PM
        if you don't know, then you are probably only getting to assorted waking alpha conditions. Shamanic journeying happens
        in waking theta states.

        What are you experiencing so far with your hypnosis practice sprecifically?

        the point is that its a slow process of learning in which the later steps depend on having completed earlier steps.
        • Re: Inducing trance states

          Wed, December 13, 2006 - 7:09 PM
          Relaxation, feeling disconnected from my body, wandering thoughts with a dream-like quality. Sometimes I fall asleep, but I'm getting better at not falling asleep the longer I keep at it. thanks.
          • Re: Inducing trance states

            Wed, December 13, 2006 - 7:12 PM
            so your goals should be establishing commincation with the different brodmanns brain areas while in an alpha
            state; ie; exploration of the psyche and the aspects of self.

            Once you have met yourselves, then you can move on toward waking delta and internal silence.
            • Re: Inducing trance states

              Wed, December 13, 2006 - 7:31 PM
              Do you have any advice on establishing communication with the different brodmann's brain areas?

              It's not like i"ve never pondered the nature of self. I understand that there is more than one "me" at any given moment. And I understand that self is really an illusion of memory, of personal history.
              • Re: Inducing trance states

                Wed, December 13, 2006 - 7:38 PM
                first look at the actual anatomy. Then go hunting for those voices inside of your head.

                each brodmanns brain area has its own internal dialogue, most of them we don't know how to listen to, some of hich are not accesible from
                waking alpha, but most of which are.

                in dreams, most of the people we meet represent aspects of ourselves.

                the different brain regions do different things/ to listen to the internal dialogue of the upper reptile brain, meditative movement. ie; focus on
                each brain areas type of functioning as a type of activity.
                then do that activity while in trance, and listen for the interface and pay attention to the voice that connects to the ego mind.

                • Re: Inducing trance states

                  Wed, December 13, 2006 - 8:31 PM
                  Thanks, I'll spend some time looking at it from this perspective and see what happens.

                  "Do that activity while in a trance..."

                  Mentally perform it as a visualization or actually physically perform it?
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                    Re: Inducing trance states

                    Thu, December 14, 2006 - 2:16 PM


                    "Do that activity while in a trance..."

                    Mentally perform it as a visualization or actually physically perform it?
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                    theres a diference? lol.

                    In order to have ritual for others, one acts on the external stage. In order to have a conversation with a brodmans brain
                    area, one visualizes oneself engaded in the type of activities specific to that area. BUT; circularly; spending time while
                    in a beta state working on something also activates that brodmans brain area, so, its kind of like you approach it from
                    multiple directions simultaneously.

                    Say for instance you want to sing a sirens song of enchantment that would knock the sox off of anything ever recorded.

                    visualize yourself singing. visualize yourself singing briskly and loudly with a complex melody. Start a soft deep long aumm.
                    visualize the siren song in your mind; listen for it, hear it; allow your aum to reach into that brodmans brain area and search
                    for pattern recognition. your breathing slowly becomes the song; you breathe slowly in and slowly out with aums that are waves rocking the cradle of the spell of your intentions; you are singing a single tone; but you are visualizing a vastly complcated melody.
                    the brodmans brain area reacts. it begins to think about music a lot. Its a computer as smart as any laptop all by itself. Your the ego mind,
                    requesting its performance.

                    you allow yourself to slip slowly into it; you cross the line at some point and become merely the instrument played by your own subconscious; you sing a heartsong; you let slip via sound the matrix of your soul;

                    and you sing like a songbird and a fast foreward do-whop-be-bop artist;
                    until you cross that 8 or 10 tones a second range; and drift out of beta states, into a brain state organized by the actual conversation
                    you are having with the musical areas of the brain.


                    You let your inner mind take over; and show you what it can do.
                    • Re: Inducing trance states

                      Thu, December 14, 2006 - 4:52 PM
                      Let me see if I'm picking up what you're putting down. So singing relates to a specific Brodmann area of the brain. And by focusing on that, visualizing that as one moves into an alpha state, a dialouge is started between that area of the brain and the ego. What would be another example of another brodmann area and and a related activity. Thanks a lot prometheus, I find this very interesting and quite on track with what I've been looking for. Cheers
                      • Re: Inducing trance states

                        Wed, December 27, 2006 - 1:35 PM
                        singing relates to a specific Brodmann area of the brain.
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                        correct.
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                        And by focusing on that, visualizing that as one moves into an alpha state, a dialouge is started between that area of the brain and the ego.
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                        and the whole brain, potentially leading to an ego less state. ego is the on function of the frontal core, theres an off function, which is as important. To access that off function, one can find ways to focus on other brodmans brain areas to a degree that the ego mind simply doesn't have anything to do. If some other brain area dominates the consciousness, then you aren't in an ego state any more.

                        escaping the ego state is very much about escaping the type of internal dialogue which the frontal coretex maintains.
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                        What would be another example of another brodmann area and and a related activity.
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                        lucid visualization/ visions, will allow you enter alpha states, movement, especially at meditative (ultraslow) speeds may help to enter near
                        delta conditions. I can't do the trick myself, but theres the mathematics brain to consider...
                        virtually every high end human potential or performace hinges to some extent on finding ways to get these brain regions to dominate
                        the whole brains conversation. Science even.
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                        Thanks a lot prometheus, I find this very interesting and quite on track with what I've been looking for.
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                        good, i hope i can continue to be of service.
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                        Cheers
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                        blessings, peace and light...