Some compassion is needed in India

topic posted Thu, July 5, 2007 - 7:36 AM by  offlineKimberlee
Many in India believe that when a woman becomes a widow, she becomes cursed or is bad luck. She is then made to shave her head and live life as a beggar. Certainly the elderly in the US are not treated with great compassion either, but this practice could use some enlightenment and some compassion. One woman interviewed has spent 70 years living as an ostracized member of society, all because her husband died when she was 15!

This is essentially blaming the victim. I know that's part of their religion, but religion does evolve over time, and this could use some new thinking and compassion.

There is a great movie about this called "Water" that showed it as an issue in Ghandi's time. Sadly, it is still with us today.

www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/a...s/#cnnSTCText
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Kimberlee
Seattle
  • Re: Some compassion is needed in India

    Tue, September 25, 2007 - 9:58 PM
    Indeed, religion has done a great deal through out history, to make it acceptable in many cultures, for men to mistreat their women, and view women as an object of desire or the slave. This view of women is not only found in the Eastern Philosophies, but in the Arabic and Islamic World as well. This view is also seen to this day, to lesser degree in the Western World as well. I agree that much compassion is actually needed all over the world. People of the world do need to become aware of the fact that letting go of all their old taboos, does not mean that they are sacrificing their religious beliefs and practices. People, men and women, should not be shunned from society, because of an accident of birth or death. People need to realize that some people are just not responsible, or have any control over who or what they are. People should not have to shunned or teated misfits, because of trajedies or plights, like that of the elderly woman from India. The world needs to wake and smell the coffee.
    • Re: Some compassion is needed in India

      Wed, September 26, 2007 - 8:06 AM
      I really like how you phrased it, "People of the world do need to become aware of the fact that letting go of all their old taboos, does not mean that they are sacrificing their religious beliefs and practices." Essentially we should try to educate people that these practices are cultural, a societal artifact, and not an indication of devotion to God. In other words, people made up these rules, not God, and by abandoning these old rules in the name of compassion you are in fact better showing your devotion to God (or whatever name you want to use for God).
      • Re: Some compassion is needed in India

        Wed, September 26, 2007 - 11:48 PM
        Thanks Kimberlee, as a devoted Yoga student and a self-proclaimed Christian, I have always had respect and interest in all religions. I am also apalled at some of the things that people do under the banner of religion to justify their own ignorance, bigotry, and crazy superstitions. I agree that the different cultures, throughout history, had made some of these rules, not God, or their perception of God. I had actually whitnessed a similar tragedy, to the one regarding the woman from India, in our own back yard. My Dad has been a deacon at a Baptist Church for the past twenty years(I was actually raised as an Espicopalian at the request of my Grandmother, and I currently attend a non-denominational church). I recall, when I was in High School, twenty years ago, that their was a member of my dad's church choir, who had attended that church for a few years, who came out and announced that he had the "HIV" virus, and that he was gay. He was still attending my dad's church, but only my family, the pastor's family, and one other family would let him sit in the same pew, as he did not have the energy to sing anymore. I was appalled that ninety-percent of that Church, treated this man like an out-cast or a misfit, and that some people were willing to let him die like an animal. While, the pastor openly did not agree with his lifestyle, he was not about to let this man die unloved and lonely. The pastor had tried very hard to make the rest of the congregation accept him and love him, but very few members of the congregation were willing to embrace him. No one diserves to be treated this way. I have always grown up believing that God is Love, but there have been just too many hypocrites in every culture.
        • Re: Some compassion is needed in India

          Thu, September 27, 2007 - 7:06 AM
          Homosexuality, ah yes. It's interesting how in the US (and probably elsewhere) people have begun translating the Old Testament literally. Are we going to start allowing people to sell their daughters into slavery too? Did these people not read in the New Testament how Jesus befriended and showed love for the prostitutes. Through their actions they are implying that Jesus was wrong to do that, and if that's the case, and they believe that Jesus was wrong, then either they don't believe Jesus was the son of God, or their faith in God is on shaky ground. Either way, they can't really call themselves Christians if they behave this way.

          It's refreshing to see someone wear both the badge of Yogi and Christian proudly. True Christians, and I've met a few, are in fact ideal yogis because they practice ahimsa in such a natural way.

          It's interesting how many religious groups around the world seem to be getting more hard line and going back to ancient times. It seems the more we know about science the more uncertainty people have and the more they need to go backwards for absolutes.
          • Re: Some compassion is needed in India

            Tue, November 27, 2007 - 4:13 PM
            Wow. that's barbaric. and not to say that our culture lacks its barbaric practices.

            to say that a woman's life is cursed and worthless once her husband is dead is worse than slavery. it's holocaust thinking.

            sexism is just as bad as racism--why do we still tolerate it? it hurts both men and women.
            • Re: Some compassion is needed in India

              Tue, November 27, 2007 - 5:49 PM
              Because we had Jesse Helms in Congress who refused to ratify the United Nations treaty on women's rights, which something like 186 other countries signed because he didn't want any foreigners telling American men how to treat their women folk.

              In the 1990's no one (aside from some women's groups) wanted to take action way the Taliban treated women because we claimed we don't want to interfere with people's culture an religion which is complete bs because America is more than happy to shove McDonalds and MTV down the throats of other countries, but when it comes to telling them to treat all citizens humanely, suddenly the leaders want to "respect their culture."

              The treatment of widows in India just gives me pause. When I hear people say how spiritual and wonderful India is I always think "Yes, but..." You should watch the movie Water. The director does a fantastic job with this subject, Earth and Fire were phenomenal too. It gives me hope that very brave people like that are speaking out.
              • Re: Some compassion is needed in India

                Tue, November 27, 2007 - 7:48 PM
                I agree. There are very few brave souls, that are willing to tackle the issues of how we can make our world more humane, and a much better place. It does take guts to stand up. Although I don't like talking politics, there is an ex-United States President, who I admire for his stance on human rights. I admire the way that Jimmy Carter, in the late 1970's, stood up to Fidel Castro, by not allowing Cuba to be a part of the North American Free Trade Agreement. Jimmy Carter spoke to Fidel Castro, and said something like"I am not going to support a nation whose government treats people, like the way you do." People may think that this was an extreme move by Carter, but it is a rare example of a politician, whose heart was genuinely in the right place. And let's not forget, all of his "Good Will" actions and contributions to society, after he left office.

                NAMASTE,

                Chris
                • Re: Some compassion is needed in India

                  Wed, November 28, 2007 - 8:50 AM
                  I do like Carter, and what he's done since he left office, but I have mixed feelings about Castro. While his tactics have been brutal and he is a dictator, Cuba has better education and health care for the masses than does the US. We maintain diplomatic and trade agreements with regimes that are far worse than Castro's these days. Plus, I think the whole embargo, and forbidding US citizens from traveling there is insane. We let US citizens travel to Saudi Arabia where the women are treated horrifically (as evidenced in the latest rape case), but we can't travel to Cuba. It's so foolish. We're carrying out a vendetta from the 1960's.

                  On a side note, Cuba is a favorite vacation destination of Canadians. I asked one of my Canadian friends why and he told me frankly that they like going there because it's the one place they don't have to deal with obnoxious Americans. I found that funny but sadly true - as a whole Americans just don't travel well, having worked on a cruise ship I saw this one too many times.

                  Still, we do need more people standing up. After watching a movie like Hotel Rwanda I'm still sickened at how powerful wealthy governments can turn a blind eye to genocide.

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