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in 'what the 'bleep'...' a scientist noted that in the light of findamental laws of physics there is no explanation
-why can we think that we can influence the future and not the past...
-and vice versa, of course - why can we remember the past and not 'remember' (know, be aware of) the future...
this put a light on a little game i was playing with the suggestion from julia cameron's book 'the vein of gold' (and before that 'the artist's way') - writing MY OWN narative of my life...
it made it easier to release the past... but funny things as well happened...
since after u finish the 'surface' line - whenever u want u can write something she calls 'cups' - essays on a topic from a past - my love life, me and music, me and shoes, me and punk movement, me as activist...
to me - me as dancer - my 'short' dance biography showed me - that MOST OF THE MONEY I EARNED IN MY LIFE WAS THROUGH DANCE PERFORMANCES, many memories odf dance courses, performances, practices have just POPPED UP... and i would never ever say or think i was a dancer whole my life...
and my 'official', main identity and 2 university diplomas just fall in the background and a pastime, or a hobby... my other jobs i could hardly remember, including working as a teacher in school)... it was just boring to write about it...
there r 2 ways of loking at this, in my opinion: either my level of consciousness was so low that i didnt get the obvious... :o))) (i can NOW remember people refering to me as a dancer, then i think i 'overheard' it)
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the past actualy slightly changed...
has anyone had experience on this...?? or have i just fallen from mars to the earth???
im puzzled and amazed!
-why can we think that we can influence the future and not the past...
-and vice versa, of course - why can we remember the past and not 'remember' (know, be aware of) the future...
this put a light on a little game i was playing with the suggestion from julia cameron's book 'the vein of gold' (and before that 'the artist's way') - writing MY OWN narative of my life...
it made it easier to release the past... but funny things as well happened...
since after u finish the 'surface' line - whenever u want u can write something she calls 'cups' - essays on a topic from a past - my love life, me and music, me and shoes, me and punk movement, me as activist...
to me - me as dancer - my 'short' dance biography showed me - that MOST OF THE MONEY I EARNED IN MY LIFE WAS THROUGH DANCE PERFORMANCES, many memories odf dance courses, performances, practices have just POPPED UP... and i would never ever say or think i was a dancer whole my life...
and my 'official', main identity and 2 university diplomas just fall in the background and a pastime, or a hobby... my other jobs i could hardly remember, including working as a teacher in school)... it was just boring to write about it...
there r 2 ways of loking at this, in my opinion: either my level of consciousness was so low that i didnt get the obvious... :o))) (i can NOW remember people refering to me as a dancer, then i think i 'overheard' it)
or
the past actualy slightly changed...
has anyone had experience on this...?? or have i just fallen from mars to the earth???
im puzzled and amazed!
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Re: changing the past?!
Wed, April 25, 2007 - 6:57 AMIt sounds like you asked yourself, when were you the most fulfilled in a vocation? My lifelong interest has been the working of the human brain. I wanted to be a psychologist or psychiatrist from age 8. However, I went into Computer Science instead, focusing on development of Genetic Neural Networks and Self Organizing Systems. I'm able to apply the systems of psychology and psychiatry to these aping of human behaviors within the computer architectures I design and develop.
However, I think being a dancer would be amazingly fun! Not only do you get to play on stage, but you get paid for the process! I love doing Capoeira to drum jams as my workout!
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Wed, April 25, 2007 - 8:08 AM"It sounds like you asked yourself, when were you the most fulfilled in a vocation?"
uh, i have to admit i dont really understand what it is that u r doing although it sounds interesting... even a bit scary... :o)))
but, i didnt aks myself this what u imply - i was more writing the bio or resume of my dance life (including evry dance course i can rmember, every performance i can remember, some theoretical knowledge courses... first dance experiences.. a bit of dance background of my family... like memoirs of something thatgives me huge pleasure and also is so easy (effortles ;o) HTAT I DIDNT EVEN GIVE IT TOO MUCH OF MY ATTENTION...
that's why i thin that one of the reasons it is splashing in my face is/was actually my very,very low awarenes of who i am...
that's why im so amazed and puzzled...
and at the same time: i THIS poped out - WHAT'S NEXT?
im even a bit scared coz it feels like im really in a paralel universe...
oh, man...
thanks SA for replying - i was even a bit scared none would even reply to this thiking -what the 'bleep' is she talking about?
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Wed, April 25, 2007 - 8:11 AMsorry mistake:
and at the same time: i THIS poped out - WHAT'S NEXT? =
and at the same time: if THIS poped out - WHAT'S NEXT?
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Re: changing the past?!
Wed, April 25, 2007 - 9:28 AMi totally believe we can change the past. it sounds to me like you changed not only the past but
the future as well! in a very clear way. i believe that when we rewrite the story it does actually change.
my understanding is that this 'reality' is something we have all agreed to. well, i'm not in full agreement
anymore! i'm rewriting my own reality in a lot of ways. the thing that you did that helps the process feel
almost effortless is to not resist the direction that the story line takes. i believe that we as humans
have been rewriting our story a lot lately. some of it i like and some of it i think is a monumental
waste of time. but i wont bother getting into that stuff. but i for one DO NOT think you are from mars
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Re: changing the past?!
Wed, April 25, 2007 - 10:24 AMIn Sedona Method we change our past by releasing the feelings we harbor for events and items in the past. As well as releasing the positive feelings we replace on those past items and events. Our past determines how we'll react to our future unless we reprogram ourselves to what we'd like to do "next time!"
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Wed, April 25, 2007 - 11:48 AM" i believe that we as humans
have been rewriting our story a lot lately. some of it i like and some of it i think is a monumental
waste of time. "
:o)))))
but true, a friend who is studying history says that history is for some decade or two considered 'just' a type of literature with its own methodology...
feminists call history his-story...
mainly what we think of history is the history of power and wars...
the problem is that this new definition of history still didnt reach our consciousness in it aplication to our lives and we still pay too much attention to the power figures and mass violent conflicts - dding to their power by mere attention to them...
things r changing, though... at least it seems like that to me ;o)...
mare about wasting of time: actually, my 'discovery' came from deliberate wasting of my time... i mean, who am i to write my own memoirs :O)))
but the effect was - wow!!
i recomend this (re)writing of ur past from the bottom of my heart to all...
SA, i completely see and understand releasing of positive feelings EVENTUALY.. they tend to release themselves - into peace and contentment...
however, i think the firs step of getin to higher vibes from the lower ones is necessary...
i, myself have made 'the mistake of transcendence' i call it... in my life... abraham desribes it well: it's like u decide to go on holydays and visit 14 cities that appeal to u and then come back home... on ur plan on the paper on the table u see the route and notice that anyway - at the end of ur trip - u'll be back home, right here at this table... so u tick off the destinations and dont even go on the holydays...
that's the mistake many of us do - we know will come back 'home' to our non-physical... we all more or lessknow it intuitively...
and our spiritual guides tell us this...
but they dont tell us this so that we dont even go on the trip - NO...
we came here to see and experience the bliss and adventure of these 14 cities... ALL OF THEM...
before we come back home...
so, let usus let the adventure continue...
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Wed, April 25, 2007 - 12:31 PMWhen you realize that any version of the "past" is merely the perspective of any one or more persons' perception of it, the idea that we can change it seems easy.
"I don't agree on it anymore!"
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Wed, April 25, 2007 - 5:03 PMCan we really change the actual events of the past? I believe anything is possible, but can someone tell me how? Changing one's perception of the past is much easier to envision and therefore achieve, but still the actual events look the same from an objective point of view. -
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Wed, April 25, 2007 - 10:36 PMahh but therein lies the rub - just what, or who, is objective?
ask a cop who comes to a crime scene and asks 50 different people what they saw.
and gets 50 unique answers.
i believe that we construct our past, and recontruct it as we go along. ever notice how even actual events can seem to change over time?
i'll take a shot at this from a theoretical quantum physics perspecitve; everything exists, even the past, but only in possibility, and only because consciousness has been focused on a particular point, or possibility, which then collapses that possibility into form or experience. it would follow then that if we shift our attention, or focus consciousness on another possibility then that possibility would collapse into a different form or experience, regardless of time or space.
im not explaining this very well.
one of my teacers is Amit Goswami who is a theoretical quantum physicist, and he does much better at the explaination. if youre really interested anomaly pick up Goswami's book Visionary Window. it's mind bending stuff, but he addresses this pretty well. and of course it's all theoretical, but... so was our perception of a round earth for quite a while... : ) -
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Thu, April 26, 2007 - 3:28 AMThis reminds me of a Dar Williams song. It is called "After All." Here are the lyrics about how she re-wrote the history of her childhood and parenting:
Go ahead, push your luck
Find out how much love the world can hold
Once upon a time I had control
And reigned my soul in tight
Well the whole truth
It's like the story of a wave unfurled
But I held the evil of the world
So I stopped the tide
Froze it up from inside
And it felt like a winter machine
That you go through and then
You catch your breath and winter starts again
And everyone else is spring bound
And when I chose to live
There was no joy
It's just a line I crossed
It wasn't worth the pain my death would cost
So I was not lost or found
And if I was to sleep
I knew my family had more truth to tell
And so I traveled down a whispering well
To know myself through them
Growing up, my mom had a room full of books
and hid away in there
Her father raging down a spiral stair
'Til he found someone
Most days his son
And sometimes I think
My father, too, was a refugee
I know they tried to keep their pain from me
They could not see what it was for
But now I'm sleeping fine
Sometimes the truth is like a second chance
I am the daughter of a great romance
And they are the children of the war
Well the sun rose
With so many colors, it nearly broke my heart
It worked me over like a work of art
And I was a part of all that
So go ahead, push your luck
Say what it is you gotta say to me
We will push on into that mystery
And it'll push right back
And there are worse things than that
Cause for every price
And every penance that I could think of
It's better to have fallen in love
Than never to have fallen at all
'Cause when you live in a world
Well it gets into who you thought you'd be
And now I laugh at how the world changed me
I think life chose me after all
It also reminds me of "Divine Secrets of the Yaya Sisterhood." Same theme.... about re-writing history and changing the future.
Awesome, really, that the popular culture offers so many versions of the message. Even if many folks never "get it."
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Thu, April 26, 2007 - 5:59 AMSure, 50 people can have a different perception of an event, but I do believe there is one absolute, objective truth unmarred by emotion. At any rate, quantum physics describes matter as 99% possibility, but how stubborn or fixed is that 1%? I guess I am going into realms of the possiblitiy of time travel.
I did enjoy the song lyrics, really felt them. I've had my fair share of soul endurance tests, reawakenings, shamnic deaths and rebirths. I still have rivers to cross to understand this lifetime. I can change how the past serves me. i can believe my parents did what they did in love and not hate, but I cannot change what they did. Or can I? Mystical life..... -
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Re: changing the past?!
Thu, April 26, 2007 - 6:56 AMmaybe u can see htat they or u did smthng U DIDNT SEE and it was here all the time... and it was objective truth...
just try to write the biography of f.e. things that gave u bliss and im SURE u'll find smthing amazingly 'objective'...
(like - the earth IS round!)
the thing is - u dont have to share it with the rest of the world if u fear the possiblility of being burned at the stake...
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Thu, April 26, 2007 - 6:58 AMoh, jeff thanx so much for the book titles... -
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Thu, April 26, 2007 - 7:40 AMI am not writing about changing perception or picking up on a missed ingredient of the truth. I do believe in absolute truth. At the core of it all, what else is there? I am asking if one can actually change past events. If the book tiltle Jeff shared hits that topic, it would be interesting for me. Other than that, you all are just speaking metaphysical principles about changing perception, and I already know about that. -
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Thu, April 26, 2007 - 7:45 AMThanks, though, for all responses! I guess if I am the one wondering I can set out to try and conquer the limits of time! -
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Thu, April 26, 2007 - 7:52 AMi used to think there was absolute truth in form and experience like you refer to anomoly.
it would seem logically to be that way. but the more i study tis stuff, the less sure i am that there is any absolute truth, except in consciousness.
it's a huge can of worms, and i follow what youre thinking. do let us know if you have any ah HA's!
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Thu, April 26, 2007 - 9:06 AM"Other than that, you all are just speaking metaphysical principles about changing perception"
this is the way it reached u...
and, yes, maybe that's the way i can communicate it to u... have no other language...
maybe those books will...
the thing is - i cant really differentiate between 'objectively' changing the past and 'just' canging the perception... i would have to believe in 'objectively' changing the past FIRST in order to do that...
and i did it for fun...
and money , maybe... :o)))
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Thu, April 26, 2007 - 5:20 PM"There is no reality in the absence of observation."
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Thu, April 26, 2007 - 6:56 PM"There is no reality in the absence of observation."
-- The Copenhagen Interpretation of Quantum Mechanic
Thanks, Jeff.
That may actually be the one abolute truth!
Actually.... I have changed the past. And it is about perception. Like Dar, now I am sleeping fine. Not cuz I am playing mind games about my father's abandoning us.... or my mother's grief. Because I am in a place to see those phenomena wholly differently now. And seeing is believing!
Amma
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Tue, July 24, 2007 - 10:19 AMThis is actually something I've given a lot of thought to. I would like share my thoughts.
First of all, all we really have is the present moment.
Anything that is not present moment experience is a purely mental event. As such there is really no difference between imagination and memory, both occur purely in the mind. Beyond the taboo of re-writing memories, there is absolutly no reason why somone couldn't choose to remember a different past. Since how we remember the past affects our present moment experience, which is our only reality, it seems to me that at least some reframing of memory could be a good thing.
Since memory and imagination are pretty much the same thing, it's possible to remember the future...this sounds ridiculous, but it actually works. Sometimes when I am not sure what to do in a given situation, I imagine that I am remembering that it actually occured and search my memory for what I did and what happened. It seems to be a powerfull way to create what I want in my present.
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Wed, July 25, 2007 - 4:07 PM"Beyond the taboo of re-writing memories, there is absolutly no reason why somone couldn't choose to remember a different past. Since how we remember the past affects our present moment experience, which is our only reality, it seems to me that at least some reframing of memory could be a good thing. "
excellent, and only by DOING it u can see the power of it...
one advice, though, like in visualisations about the future - IT HAS TO BE BELIEVABLE TO YOU...
so for me, f.e. growing up in a castle is not believable to great extent (only as a metaphore, maybe, but not powerfull one)...
but dance schools, performances - was quite a lot believable though not palpable - only to discover ( after writing it down and seeing the extent of it on paper/notebook) that this was MAIN (money and activity wise) of my jobs... and second education...
now im writing the history of my happiness...
WOW!
adn i thought i had a hard childhood, hehehehehe... what a joke!
i was soooo blessed adn blessing others - i just lost this awarenes somewhere in my early 20s....
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