Hanuman's birthday is the 20th, right?
Well, I happen to have a little booklet with the Hanuman Chaalisaa. I wanted to try it but have not had time to practice it or memorize it. Would it be bad if I read from the book the english translation? Because aren't chaalisaas meant to be sung? I don't know the melody or anything. Help please!
Thank you and Namaste,
Nameless
Well, I happen to have a little booklet with the Hanuman Chaalisaa. I wanted to try it but have not had time to practice it or memorize it. Would it be bad if I read from the book the english translation? Because aren't chaalisaas meant to be sung? I don't know the melody or anything. Help please!
Thank you and Namaste,
Nameless
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Re: Hanuman Jayanti
Sat, December 16, 2006 - 10:00 PMI'm not sure about that date. I saw this posted in one of my friends blogs, and I believe that's probably where you got it too, but I don't know what her source was. As far as I know it was celebrated on April 13th this year, but I was a little confused about this date when it happened. According to Swami Sivananda Hanuman Jayanti is supposed to be the full moon day of the month of Chaitra, but Chaitra (and the Vedic year) ends on April 12th. So I don't know why it was a day latter instead, there are often little nuances in determining these dates, but my inquires on this turned up empty. I think for 2007 it should fall around April 2nd.
But this doesn't mean that the Dec. 20th 2006 date is wrong. Different regions of India sometimes follow different traditions with holiday dates. It's quite possible that both are correct. I just don't know what the source for that date is and have never seen it given as such before. I'll think I'll ask her though.
Aum! Shanti!
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Hanuman Chalisa
Sat, December 16, 2006 - 10:22 PMWell I don't think that there is anything wrong with reading it in English, and if you don't know Hindi I think it's good to know what it actually means by reading it in a language you understand, but in English it's not effective as Mantra Shastra. It might help to listen to a recorded versions of it (both for memorizing and melody). Both Krishna Das and Bhagavan Das have done it, and you can download a Real Audio version of it from www.hanuman.org/ and also a shorter MP3 version from the same site www.hanumanchalisa.org/mp3/ by Anup Jalota Ji (1st song of the Jai Jai Hanuman album). That last one is my favorite!
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Re: Hanuman Chalisa
Sat, December 16, 2006 - 10:25 PMSorry, try www.hanuman.com/ (for the first link only). -
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Re: Hanuman Chalisa
Sun, December 17, 2006 - 10:59 AMOkay. Thank you!
Do you know Hindi?
I only know a little bit from watching Bollywood movies. And I know some of "Om Jai Jagdish". -
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Re: Hanuman Chalisa
Sun, December 17, 2006 - 12:20 PMYou're welcome.
No I don't know Hindi other than a couple of words.
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Re: Hanuman Jayanti
Sun, December 17, 2006 - 11:16 AMIf it it recited, or sung, in English or Sanksrit, it does not matter, if it is from your heart Hanuman will be there...he will fly through the universe to be by your side, in your heart, just as Ram and Sita reside in his heart, he resides in your heart, ever in service...
I listen to and attempt to recite the Hanuman Chalisa daily ( I love Krishna Das Live on Earth version) I also dance the Hanuman Chalisa as often as I can as Puja to my Guru, Neem Karoli Baba.
Hanuman loves it when I dance for him!!
Jai Jai Hanuman!
Blessings from the Lotus Feet of Neem Karoli Baba,
Leela
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Re: Hanuman Jayanti
Sun, December 17, 2006 - 12:27 PMCertainly however you do sadhana is effective and will be heard so long as it's done with shraddha. However the benefits of the mantras that is usually associated with the Hanuman Chalisa and other parts of the Manas will not be present if the aren't properly pronounced in Hindi (not Sanskrit) as you simply aren't making the same sound vibrations.
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Sun, December 17, 2006 - 2:04 PMHow do you dance it? That sounds so awesome!
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Mon, December 18, 2006 - 5:14 PMHow to do I dance it...I put on the Hanuman Chalisa and I let spirit move me....I have some Belly Dance training, and I also do healing work with channeled dance for people...so opening to spirit is second nature when it comes to dancing. I am almost always alone when I dance the Chalisa...It's my form of Puja. I am also learning how to chant the Hanuman Chalisa properly, as I do agree that the sound vibration are important. I attend regular Kirtan, so that helps too!
How does one get a Guru? That is a more complicated answer. Ask the universe for the Guru to appear. I had Darshan during sleep after meeting Ram Dass for the first time, and Neem Karoli Baba has not left my heart since. I ask for him and he appears. I am also a devotee of Ammachi. Maharaj-ji brought me quite directly to her feet.
Blessings from the Lotus Feet of Neem Karoli Baba!
Leela
NH
How do you dance it? That sounds so awesome!
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Re: Hanuman Jayanti
Mon, December 18, 2006 - 5:31 PMThanks. Maybe I'll try that.
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Mon, December 18, 2006 - 10:17 PMDarshan is is having a "vision" of God. Sometimes this is applied to mutris (statues) or gurus also. I've even heard it used meaning the guru giving you a look (as it litteraly means 'seeing'). It can also be applied to in "inner vision" or experience.
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Sun, January 7, 2007 - 2:47 PMHey Parvati,
I meant to comment on this before and I've seen you post the question elsewhere where I commented on it, but I wanted to writ a little more on it. What BlissDancer says about here experience isn't really the most traditional way of a guru-shishya (Teacher-student) relationship, though it is very common for devotees of Neem Karoli Baba. Sometimes it may be your family who finds one for you or you can go to a holy place where they are often found meditating/worshiping (though it may take along time to find a good one or the right one that way). In America it would probably be best to go to a local center of the Vedanta Society, the Divine Life Socety, the Chinmaya Mission, or a local temple or smaller group. Do a bit of "shopping" around, don't just settle for the first person who claims to be a guru, you've got to watch for the tricksters, frauds and cults. It is often said that 'you don't find the Guru, the Guru finds you'.
But now the way BlissDancer explains her experience with Neem Karoli Baba is still perfectly legitimate. I already mentioned to you about Saint Ramana Maharishi and Saint Arunagiri-natha in another Tribe. And my experience was similar: the Lord came to me in a waking vision and gave me upadesa (silent teaching/God experiance) diksha (initiation to my path) and mantra. Though I do not discount the possibility of Him coming to me in the form of a human guru some day.
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Re: Guru
Sun, January 7, 2007 - 5:27 PMI hope I can speak without offense, not just in the Hindi or puppet show tradition, but also according to the tradition of the writer of the Ramayana and the actual personalities involved, although I am not qualified, but still....
There is a tradition of spiritual master and disciple. Yes there are "family gurus' in India. But also when Lord Ramacandra was only sixteen His guru came to Him, took Him away from His father, and taught Him many valuable things which He needed to use later on. Many people actively search for a guru for a long time, and I don't know how many in here accept Krishna in the Bhagavad-Gita but He also says one must have a guru. He taught this science to Brahma, Brahma taught it to Narada, Narada to Sukadeva Goswami and so on.
The actual books read in the original Sanskrit are said to have a certain special potency also, and anything spoken by a pure devotee in any language as well. If we can repeat the prayers of pure devotees who spoke in Hindi or other languages that also is beneficial, but in this age of kali it is described that noone can pronounce the Sankrit prayers perfectly, since the brahmana class is no longer as potent as previously. -
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Re: Guru
Mon, January 8, 2007 - 12:07 AMThank you for your insightful post, Bhakti.
My only comment is that it may be a matter of opinion about being able to pronounce Sanskrit properly and about the status of the Brahmana class in this age.
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Re: Guru
Mon, January 8, 2007 - 12:18 PMIt may be a matter of opinion? There is a simple test to find out. Previously a qualified brahmana could chant a mantra in order to start the sacrificial fire for a horse sacrifice, and the proof of whether the horse sacrifice came out successfully was when a horse would be sacrificed and placed into the sacrificial fire, an old horse, and a new horse would come out. The same horse would come out with a younger body. If that did not happen then the brahmanas new something was wrong so they would have to chant the mantra over again that they said wrong.
There is another pastime involving Indra where he wanted to make a demon out of a fire who would be able to kill someone but instead I forgot the details but he said one syllable wrong and the demon from the fire was a demon who was able to destroy Indra. Well forget the second story but at least if we want to test our Sanskrit we can light a fire by mantra. -
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Mon, January 8, 2007 - 10:40 PMOkay, you do that "simple" test and let me know how it turns out.
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Wed, January 10, 2007 - 10:54 AMI already know I can't pass that simple test. I thought the horse comes out with a newer body was said in the Srimad Bhagavatam, but again I have a faulty memory, such is the quality of the brahmana class in Kali yuga. The brahmana class is fallen. -
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Wed, January 10, 2007 - 11:38 AM>>I already know I can't pass that simple test.
Good luck even trying to perform it at all.
>>The brahmana class is fallen.
Since the beginning of Kali Yuga, which is about as long as written history (according to the traditional date), there has been much corruption among the Brahmana's. But once a Brahmana is corupt, he is no longer a Brahmana.
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Re: Guru
Sun, October 14, 2007 - 11:31 PMThere is along history of teacher-student relationship in the hindu tradition. The teacher can take many forms, sometimes even a mountain but a human one is the most common mainly cos it is the easiest to relate to. Trust what you know. Form what I have gleened from your posts, you understand allot already. The external guru is there only to ignite the inner guru, the truest guru.
In Sanskrit, word and form are the same . . . a word is a sound form of the object, so there is a special connection and feeling to chant/sound in Sanskrit, even to simply hear it has many benefits. As in any language, there are changes over time. Listen to various authoritative people speaking/chanting sanksrit and you will hear a difference. I have learned some mantras and such from different priests and gurus from India . There are always some slight variations. Often I have heard that 'their ' way is the right way but I resonate with what you say about sanskrit in the kali yuga . . . everything breaks down over time
In just about every puja I have heard, there is a line that goes something like this," My heart has been fully in this, please forgive any errors I may have done." Everyone makes a mistake, so don't let that hold ya back, instead, put your whole self in - even shake yourself about if it feels right and that what its all about.
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