hispanic / non-hispanic

topic posted Tue, May 20, 2008 - 8:18 AM by 
last november, all four tires on my car were slashed. i didn't rush down to the police station for the report, for as i was parked on the street, my homeowners policy didn't cover it and i only needed the form for a souvenir. well, i picked up the report yesterday, and was given a print-out that included the info on not just my car but my 3 neighbors' cars that also had their tires slashed ... there was very little info on the form, but all four of us had our names, addresses, ages [choke] and our race listed... there appear to be 2 catagories for race that apply. the first is 'hispanic' [my 3 neighbors] and the second is 'non-hispanic' a catagory i happen to fall in... what do you think of all of us in the states now being listed under these 2 catagories by gvt agencies that pigeon-hole us ? is there any need for this to be part of 'who this person is', is it racial profiling against hispanics, is it racial side-lining against 'non-hispanics? i really don't know what to make of it, and would appreciate your perspective. it just seems odd..
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  • Re: hispanic / non-hispanic

    Tue, May 20, 2008 - 9:54 AM
    it does seem odd to me too.........i can't imagine why they would need to profile people who've had their cars jacked up..........and what if someone was columbian, mexican or puerto-rican...........would they be considered non-hispanic too?
  • Re: hispanic / non-hispanic

    Tue, May 20, 2008 - 10:38 AM
    hispanic or latino is a catch-all term that serves anglo culture to deal with those of us with Spanish surnames as one large group. There are vast differences in the cultures that come under those headings.
  • Re: hispanic / non-hispanic

    Tue, May 20, 2008 - 5:33 PM
    that is bizarrio to me....

    I consider myself hispanic cause my parents came from the hispanolas....which consist of Cuba, Puerto Rico and Dominican Republic.

    Latin Americans are typically referred to as Latinos....but some Puerto Ricans refer themselves as Latinos

    Mexicans are not Latinos or Hispanics...they are Chicanos...and they definitely don't like being called hispanics


    Spanish is what we have in common....but we all have different cultures...just like English, the Irish, the Austrialians, New Zealand...they all speak English but they are not mistaken as English....

    I think it sounds like racial prolifing and I would complain BIG time!!
  • Re: hispanic / non-hispanic

    Tue, May 20, 2008 - 5:38 PM
    oh...some of you are going to get annoyed....a few days ago I did a serve...and one of my fellow minister made a comment that pissed me off...


    We had a knife on the altar which was used to cut an apple....the first knife was sharp and big, So they changed it for the Sunday service. I commented on the fac they changed the knife...one of the minister said she was relieved cause the first knife was creepy. I said, oh well it was cool looking. And the other minister goes...well that's cause you are Puerto Rican...both myself and the other minister gave him a dirty look. I said, I'm so glad I get to be a minister I can help eliminate those nasty and negative stereotypes about my people. He was mortified since he realized what he had done once I said what I said. I was pissed.
  • Re: hispanic / non-hispanic

    Tue, May 20, 2008 - 6:05 PM
    A police report throwing that in is a little odd. Who knows.

    Unless recently changed, the US Census uses "Hispanic" as a language identifier, not racial. Same for some poll takers. One of the first questions is Hispanic (?), at which point they ask if you want to continue in Spanish.
    Some possibility, any re-contact with the cops would be by a Spanish speaking officer. Around here, they would not have it that much together.

    I've been involved with a lot of form creation, and repeatedly seen items added, or one entry made into two just to make the form come out even, with no blank space.

    Call them up on the phone, and ask why, and what they do with the info. Are they keeping statistics, or what?
  • Re: hispanic / non-hispanic

    Tue, May 20, 2008 - 6:49 PM
    i think the word "hispanic" is used as a catch all description intended to define many cultures that many people do not want to take the time to understand or acknowledge as individual and unique cultures that may touch upon the other but not embody it wholly.....and for some - there is no malice in this...it's just easier to grasp the concept of the whole rather than its' parts....that are often too diverse to comprehend without the time that people feel that they just don't have............i'm not trying to make excuses for anyone here.....i'm just trying to understand - as always

    and Ro............I would have been pissed off too.........that was a thoughtless and prejudicial thing to say.........
    • Re: hispanic / non-hispanic

      Tue, May 20, 2008 - 7:29 PM
      Scarlet...I tend to agree with you. But I also have had too many experiences with racial issues to dismiss the red flags. I have had people do more then make the "knife" comment too many times to assume comments mean nothing. And I am tired.
      • Re: hispanic / non-hispanic

        Tue, May 20, 2008 - 7:46 PM
        i would honestly be tired too............this kind of insensitivity & ignorance would challenge anyone..........i really don't excuse racists or prejudicial people,,, some of them are just too clueness to know any different......and on the other hand..........they choose



        i experience daily discrimination against pagans (which is what i primarily identify myself as)......and everyday i hold my breath & bite my tongue
        • Re: hispanic / non-hispanic

          Tue, May 20, 2008 - 9:27 PM
          Most people I know are amazed I even know pagans (which I only became aware of from renfaire). Its a movement yet to have the spotlight shined on it.
          • Re: hispanic / non-hispanic

            Tue, May 20, 2008 - 9:59 PM
            I work in a cubicle. My next door cube mate is a black man from Louisiana. He has a wife and two daughters, and he moved them here from Mississippi and Alabama because he wanted his women to experience less conflict.

            I was at work after a really shitty long day last night, and he and I got to talking. The rest of our small office is early to get there, early to leave, and the two of us are night owls. We are late to get there, late to leave. We also happen to have really political jobs, so no one messes with us. We have a little bit of autonomy and it suits us.

            Anyway, we get to talking late at night when we are winding down. Last night, he shared some stuff with me when we got to talking about race and racism, and political candidates.

            I'm 41 yrs old, and he's a few years older. Growing up in the south, he's seen houses burned down, crosses burned in yards, a best friend's girlfriend drowned because white fishermen wouldn't help her when she hit a river whirlpool, etc.

            I didn't have friends who hated for race. We really didn't. We had Asian, Native American, African American, Latino, Chicano, you name it friends, and we were just school mates. We were a really diverse school This whole dynamic makes me sad.

            I studied civil rights some years ago at university. One of the things I read was about the first black kids to be bussed to white schools in Alabama. It seemed so long ago, but my coworker was one of them.

            He doesn't like to talk about it much, but he does with me. He refuses to, with his wife and daughters. Isn't that interesting? I thought so. But he explains it well. He says there is a noticeable neighborhood when you drive through cities - a black neighborhood, and a white one. You can tell in any neighborhood, and to say otherwise is to be in denial. And it's not always bad. He says, though, that to hate categorically isn't fair. He doesn't want his family to feel that. One of the worst memories he had was when he was 12, and Martin Luther King was killed. A local man who was an advocate for poor in his community was drug out of his car and beat to death in front of him, because of he was white. This man had always advocated for my friend's community, but black people were so angry and outraged at MLK's murder that they took it out on someone always called a friend.

            So he tries to protect his family by leading by example. He reminds his black friends who went through what he did, in the south or elsewhere, that plenty of 'white folks' sacrificed to support black folks. In fact, many died. And many white people didn't participate in the horrifying things that whites before us did. It falls on deaf ears, with some of his friends.

            Like many white people, hatred is a learned thing.

            My point is, we can't change everyone. And no side is 'right'. I'm just glad for the ones who listen and try, because we'll keep spreading the word that hatred and intolerance isn't ok. I hope, someday, we make a difference.

            My coworker is a beautiful, kind man. I really admire him and his forgiving nature.
            • Re: hispanic / non-hispanic

              Wed, May 21, 2008 - 7:36 AM
              Munky..many of us have witness those things you friend spoke about.

              The issue is that folks who are our friends and allies, don't think that way so they often don't know first hand what's going on,.so many times they don't know the degree and severity of the situation.

              I think to talk about it allows our friends and allies to realize that there are a few who continue to practice horrible racist behaviors...racism isn't dead. Its gone underground and hidden from folks who would speak up against it...

              Put it this way...Obama might lose,,,not because he's not qualified, but because there is still a large percentage of folks that see him as a black man and not as a leader. And a percentage of those folks are still uncomfortable around blacks....they tolerate blacks and hispanics...but they still won't elect them in serious position or marry them or have them in their "areas".

              There is a position in my job I know for a fact I qualify for. I have over 25 years experience. The education. But I won't get it. I am too brown. If I was a lighter hispanic I would get it. But I can't pass for white. One of the therapist asked why they won't give the position to me or my coworker...another dark hispanic. And he was told that the "board" wants someone older...lol My first boss was 50, I'm 48...the difference with him, he was white and jewish. My last boss was white and jewish, as was the first boss who opened up the department. Boy some folks think they can fool us with stupid answers.

              Frankly I am tired of the separation of folks...I'm tired of being treated poorly because I have brown skin and an accent...
        • Re: hispanic / non-hispanic

          Wed, May 21, 2008 - 7:23 AM
          Scarlet I refuse to hold my tongue...it's unhealthy. Though I do know you have to know when and where to say something...
          • Re: hispanic / non-hispanic

            Wed, May 21, 2008 - 7:52 AM
            in general public never.........to keep the peace at work (which is where damnation for non christians is discussed ) - - - and really because i'm a private person in that setting - don't discuss politics or religion extensively at work - - because it's just not the forum - -- and i agree it's unhealthy to be silent all the time (anyone who knows me - will laugh at the idea of me being silent :-)
            • Re: hispanic / non-hispanic

              Wed, May 21, 2008 - 9:40 AM
              I hear you Scarlet - anyway, I've noticed it's only the Christians who feel the need to convert everybody around them all the time. Not all Christian sects, of course (and thank goodness), but of those who do, they're too busy doing that to ever notice that some of those people around them are really irritated and offended by it. I've never heard of a Hindu or a Buddhist or a pagan assuming that everybody they encounter is operating from the same vocabulary and concepts and beliefs as they are themselves, or should be, and if they're not, there's something wrong with them, and you're free to publicly say so. Maybe even threaten with damnation. There's no point into getting into any kind of argument about it though, as if people are that oblivious to start with, you have a long long road to go to have any impact on them.
              • Re: hispanic / non-hispanic

                Wed, May 21, 2008 - 10:45 AM
                exactly Lily.......sometimes it gets to me with the daily email scripture readings (electronic conversion?) - but I’ve got them flagged for immediate deletion (seemed easier than explaining to my coworkers why I didn’t want to receive them).- besides………deleting them is somewhat fun
                I was in a philosophy class and quoted the dalai lama - - “Christianity is the best religion……..for Christians” – and a girl in the class said “well I know somebody that’s going to hell.” I wonder which one of us she was talking about! i'm not looking for converts to any of my beliefs - and those christian sects that are looking to convert me - are wasting their time & energy........as i'd be wasting mine to get into any kind of discourse with many of them

                Racism and religious intolerance have caused such hatred and violence around the world……..you would think we would have evolved already

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