Laws of Attraction

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What catches your eye? What make you attracted to a person you met? Online what makes your curious? In person what makes you want to know the person more? Is it the physical, the way they carry themselves? their believes? Or just your hormones?
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  • Re: Laws of Attraction

    Sat, November 4, 2006 - 10:26 PM
    The thing that attracts me to someone, first of all, is their smile and their willingness to engage in conversation, even if we both feel a bit awkward. It isn't what they say, it's that they are interested enough to make an attempt at conversing.

    Online, it's their sense of humor that catches my attention. It's easier to be confident online, so if someone is funny and positive about life, that gets my attention vs. the "woe is me" type person.

    I am too old to be affected by hormones <lol> :)
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      Re: Laws of Attraction

      Sat, November 4, 2006 - 10:38 PM
      I'm guessing I'm older than you, and I'm still very much affected by my hormones.

      Physical appearance is important. But so too are intelligence and social consciousness.
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        Sun, November 5, 2006 - 9:47 PM
        My hormones still work....just differently :) My mind has to be engaged first, THEN my hormones make their will known.....

        When I was younger, it was the other way around!
  • Re: Laws of Attraction

    Sun, November 5, 2006 - 6:27 AM
    I think it’s a combination of things... In person I think eye contact and smiling goes a long way and a genuine interest in I am saying. Personality: If some one id funny and makes me laugh.

    There is a lot to say for hormones... ;-)

    Online..???I really don’t know...What makes me curious or what sparks my interest not so much what is on a persons profile or photos ( lets face it we only put the good ones on or it may not be that person at all) , but what they say in their posting and/or blogs... how do they talk about their experiences, their out look...etc

    Hard to say...I never used the internet to meet people (until recently I have been more open to it)...I am cautious... I have to be careful...

    Amy:-)
    • Re: Laws of Attraction

      Sun, November 5, 2006 - 6:33 AM
      Intelligence, honesty and humour. You can sense the energy of those you are attracted to even in curiosity for me. Good looks are a must, but every person is different with there likes and dislikes. I sometimes sense a feeling of magnetism to those who impress me.
      • Re: Laws of Attraction

        Sun, November 5, 2006 - 8:57 AM
        Looks to start with, then if after about 10 minutes of chatting you gel then even more so. Eyes always get me and hair.

        Online..Humour and general outlook. Being humble is attractive to me. Attention seeking is the big turn off.
  • Re: Laws of Attraction

    Sun, November 5, 2006 - 9:56 AM
    Laws?
    • Re: Laws of Attraction

      Sun, November 5, 2006 - 3:53 PM
      What attracts me to a person is the eyes. The way they smile at me when I'm checking them out when I'm being aloof. I get this feeling of being connected to that person, like I've know them forever. I can just look into their eyes and see their soul and I pick up a vibe of kindness and gentlness. My heart starts racing and my breathing picks up, it's like the animal in me is on the hunt. All in that space and time, my mind starts to wonder how that person is in bed. What's are their special tricks in bed. And that's all in about 2 mins of attraction.
  • Re: Laws of Attraction

    Sun, November 5, 2006 - 4:04 PM
    Intelligence, wit, a sense of humor, kindness, depth and did I mention intelligence? Oh, yes and it helps a lot if they really like me.
    • Re: Laws of Attraction

      Mon, November 6, 2006 - 11:02 AM
      Are they wierd?
      I don't like normal guys so what catches my eye is those little give aways about their Freak status. Toenail polish, tattoos, piercings, Utilikilts, those kinds of things.

      Are they comfortable about who they are?
      Do they write good descriptions of themselves online, are they aware of who they are and what they want in their life, and has their personality matured since High School?

      Articulate! Do they mumble when they talk?
      Do they speak in complete sentences or is there a lot of "likes" and "goes" and the F-word instead of using their words.

      And finally, Are they healthy?
      I'm not into body builders or vegan health nuts but do they look like they are at a heathly weight for their height. Do their activities actually include physical movement beyond their thumbs.

      After that my attraction becomes subjective. No, in general I don't like every guy that likes me.
      • Re: Laws of Attraction

        Mon, November 6, 2006 - 11:32 AM
        Weirdness is fun but I sometimes fall for pretty normal looking guys(repressed artist types are really drawn to me) and no, I definitely am not attracted to every man who is attracted to me, too bad!!! But I really do enjoy that feeling of being *wanted*, I find that pretty compelling when it happens with someone I am attracted to.
        • Re: Laws of Attraction

          Mon, November 6, 2006 - 12:24 PM
          Looks pull me in. Being able to hold an intelligent conversation will make me stay. Not that it isn't fun to hang out with the proverbial "dumb blonde" for 5 or 10 minutes, but she would have to be an extreme knock out for it to last any longer. Or I would have to be drunk, and since I don't drink anymore that wouldn't work too well. I do like people who operate outside the mainstream. Not totally weird, but definitely not too conventional. The best are the ones who appear to be conventional on the outside, but are completely fucked on the inside. Yep, that will do it.

          This goes for in person, or on-line connections.
  • Re: Laws of Attraction

    Mon, November 6, 2006 - 6:01 PM
    heart and soul... it's almost beyond words yet they may help share the root of a kindred journey... here's how l expressed my oneness with a new friend...

    Bridge of Love

    forgetting alone flocking in flight,

    choosing growth sharing insight,

    empowering love shining bright,

    joined hearts reflecting delight...
  • Re: Laws of Attraction

    Mon, November 6, 2006 - 7:32 PM
    Smile, self-confidence, adventurous spirit, and kindness
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      Re: Laws of Attraction

      Tue, November 7, 2006 - 4:20 PM
      A nice smile and a sexy ass will catch my eye!
      Unfortunately I seem to be attacked to alcoholics, which is really annoying because I’m not a big drinker, go figure!
      Online I like people who aren’t afraid to talk about themselves. Where they live, their friends, hobbies, family and what their beliefs are.
      Hormones always play a big roll but mostly if I feel comfortable when I can express myself without being judged are being told I should or could.
      It’s an amazing thing to make a new friend to share passionate conversations.
      There are a couple of people I have met on line recently that I would love to sit with face to face and just talk about everything and anything. Maybe one day.
      • Re: Laws of Attraction

        Wed, November 8, 2006 - 10:02 AM
        Maybe a new thread but why is it easier to talk to some people and not others?

        What makes you feel comfortable with one person but get bad vibes off another?
        • Re: Laws of Attraction

          Wed, November 8, 2006 - 10:12 AM
          Desperation always give me a bad vibe. When someone is pushing for something, especially when they have an agenda in love, I shy away from them. People who push their agenda forward often can't see the forest for the trees.

          The other thing that will give me a bad vibe even if they meet all of my usual atraction requirements is someone that doesn't see ME but only sees what they want. Know what I mean? Like the guy who can't stop staring at my chest, or commenting upon how much he likes my legs, feet, or whatever. Or someone who inturupts our conversations to tell me how fabulous I am all the time. I appreciate the compliments but when they miss the deeper part of who I am I lose interest in them.

          I feel comfortable with someone that sees the complete me, and a person that has goals but not an agenda.
  • Re: Laws of Attraction

    Wed, November 8, 2006 - 1:28 PM
    It's always "that tugging feeling", like there's a rope pulling at my insides trying to make me realize we're connected (or soon will be). Don't know about online - so much digital interference and not enough of the human stuff, I think.

    -R
  • Re: Laws of Attraction

    Wed, November 8, 2006 - 3:24 PM
    while there are any number of things,....there is Nothing more attractive than " the look of attraction in another's eyes", that little sparkle that makes one feel attractive oneself, it can overcome quite a bit!
    • Re: Laws of Attraction

      Wed, November 8, 2006 - 8:54 PM
      for me it depends where we meet, under what conditions and what cycle of my life i'm in. I know somehow it doesn't give any answer..lol

      sometimes its the phyiscal..sometimes is the conversation. I need someone who can carry a conversation..cause after a while a body alone does not entertain my attention.
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    Re: Laws of Attraction

    Wed, November 8, 2006 - 9:33 PM
    Physical attraction is a big cue for me but she has to go beyond that level and have something worth talking about, intelligence, life experience and preferably an education.

    My top thing is trust, there was a time when I'd sleep with just about any (half-)decent looking woman but now I'm really big on trust. Also I've got to feel like I'll be a priority for them, not just someone they squeeze into some hectic schedule, that's not enough for me. Plus, we have to have something in common that goes deeper than just sex for it to last, something we can enjoy together, preferably an activity that doesn't cost the earth, i.e., to just enjoy being together.

    I'm being quite choosy about women these days. I've not bothered to pursue a couple of interested women that before I'd have definitely pursued, even though I like them, they just don't feel right.

    Online, humour has always caught my attention, but these days I'm not interested in online at all. Friendship is fine but I'm not looking for romance. I mean if some woman I liked *just happened* to live close to me I'd go for meeting but I wouldn't go out my way to look for women online.
    • Re: Laws of Attraction

      Wed, November 8, 2006 - 10:52 PM
      Rath..online attractions can be scary
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        Re: Laws of Attraction

        Wed, November 8, 2006 - 11:07 PM
        Yeah, I agree, it's so easy to lie online and a lot of people who have trouble relating in real life build all sorts of castles in the sky online. I'm probably guilty of it that too, to an extent, but I think a lot of people consciously deceive others as a matter of course.
        • Re: Laws of Attraction

          Thu, November 9, 2006 - 4:28 PM
          I wished I knew what makes for the laws of attraction. This is an area where I do not always know what is operative though I usually know what is happening and why in the rest of my life. So maybe it is a mystery.
          Of course all of the above is also true but it does not seem to be operative for everyone that you meet and that would foot the bill.
          So it is the mystery for me though I can understand some of its components from the worst to the best: the unresolved issues that the person subconsciously awakens, a correspondence too far in time to be remembered consciously (from early childhood to past life-times even), something that plunges so deep in you that you do not have an explanation. Maybe it is a positive alchemy that you bring up that is bigger than the both of you (the very best but very rare).
          I do not recognise all the part so why not a bit of mystery. Mystery involving a possible mate is always interesting since real life takes it out pretty quickly.
          Barbara de Angelis, the relationship guru, has an explanation for powerful attractions. She claims that you are resonnating with a person because you are in the same spiritual/physical/mental place that you are picking up, but that it is not an indication of compatibility.

          But then perhaps it is better to grow in love slowly with someone rather than to fall in love. However, there is always a spark that cannot be totally accountable for, at least as far as I am concerned, in all important relationships.
          We grow by stepping out of our ways and being led, sometimes astray.
          That was the whole reassooning behind the separation of the sexes in Atlantis as it is reputed to have taken place according to the legend. It was done so we could evolve faster as souls. An interesting if unsettling thought.
          We come here (Earth) to gather experience according to the theory.
          • Re: Laws of Attraction

            Thu, November 9, 2006 - 5:35 PM
            Eniad,

            You said: "Barbara de Angelis, the relationship guru, has an explanation for powerful attractions. She claims that you are resonnating with a person because you are in the same spiritual/physical/mental place that you are picking up, but that it is not an indication of compatibility."

            I totally agree. My wife and I, as with many other couples, are probably living proof of this statement. Though I don't want to speak for her here, I'll give you my view of it.

            She is an incredible and wonderful woman whom I'd felt an immediate attraction and spiritual connection to (it was quite mutual) across a parking lot of climbing gear one Saturday morning. We were married less than a year later. Those first few years, everything was great - perfect. We had one child, then another. We continued to grow and learn and outwardly support each other and, as is natural somewhere along the way, each of us matured beyond our romantic "infatuation" with one another.

            Unfortunately, we never really connected in other deeper ways. Fundamentally we were always going to be quite different people - we knew that going into it, but it didn't matter as long as romantic love ruled the house. So, there we were this last year after a decade of joyful marriage and two beautiful children, and yet we both felt as though we were miles apart in areas of our lives that really counted.

            As it is, we have since had to tear down our marriage to its foundation (beginning with spiritual/emotional divorce) and are working on rebuilding a relationship based on longer-lasting constructs than "romantic love". It's still all about love, but a love based on mutual friendship and mutual sacrifice (i.e. a "grow old together" love). Rewiring ourselves and breaking down old patterns of behavior has been HARD WORK! The future for us is still uncertain, but no matter what we both love our children immensely and she is an incredible mother to the girls and an incredible person in general. She still says the same about me, and yet we seem, somewhere along the way, to have missed connecting at deeper levels, the ones that morph love into more durable stuff. Sorry, can't explain it better than this because I just don't have the words to attach to everything we've gone through and discussed of late.

            Anyway, that's my life story with raw attraction carried through to a long-term relationship. I'd felt it and pursued it in past relationships (prior to marriage) and it always led to intense relationships that (a) taught me something important and (b) "burned out" rather than "fizzled out". I don't think there are easy answers. If you've read about Radical Forgiveness, that's certainly one viewpoint that can provide some comfort (for her and I, the idea that our souls had agreed to put ourselves through these lessons for each other's karmic benefit before we ever started this relationship is rather beautiful).

            I myself will always believe that when the attraction is raw, real, and mutual, the relationship is all-but-guaranteed to offer up its own special gifts.

            May your path be fulfilling!

            -R
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            Re: Laws of Attraction

            Thu, November 9, 2006 - 9:04 PM
            Eniad, you wrote, "perhaps it is better to grow in love slowly with someone rather than to fall in love." These are two different kinds of love and they are not incompatible. The "falling in love" kind of love is, as I understand it, probably primarily a sexual attraction. The question then becomes whether that slower kind of love, the kind that says you're actually going to share your lives with each other then arises. It is this latter kind of love, as I understand it, that arises in some arranged marriages.

            Now it's my turn to go off on some wild theory that probably won't hold up on further examination.

            I notice that a number of relationships arise with that slower kind of love. My best two friends are married to each other in just a sort of relationship that they each have described to me as being like college roommates, but with benefits (to adopt a euphemism). They have an open relationship. Before I knew this about these friends, I had a co-worker who introduced me to the concept of polyamory; while I was definitely attracted to her, I am old enough to be the grandfather of her children (not that she has any), and I am strictly monogamous. The impression I've gotten since of polyamory is that the more permanent (primary) relationships are of the slower kind of love and the relationships that arise of sexual infatuation are a way of expressing the relationship emotions that may no longer exist in the primary relationship.

            Meanwhile, all those women's magazines on the checkout aisle include articles about "rekindling the spark" in their endlessly repetitive cycle of articles (believe me, by the time you get to be my age, you've seen each of those covers a few dozen times even if you don't go to the grocery store much). Adultery, too, in monogamous relationships, seems to be about the desire or need for a romantic relationship.

            I'm thinking that humans need both kinds of love.
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              Fri, November 10, 2006 - 8:37 AM
              Polyamory does seem to work that way for many couples but for many people it is more about being open to love in their lives and developing what your are describing as a slow deep love with more than one person.
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                Re: Laws of Attraction

                Fri, November 10, 2006 - 11:07 AM
                Lori, glad to hear it. One reason I have to qualify my remarks is that I am working only from my own observations.
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                  Fri, November 10, 2006 - 11:41 AM
                  A lot of the people I know (and love) are really looking to build a new kind of extended family or intimate tribe. It's not easy to do but it's definitely fun trying.

                  :-)
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                Fri, November 10, 2006 - 12:59 PM
                Lori..polyamory can be a beautiful experience, especially if you are secure and comfortable in sharing your mate. I have to admit I'm not that secure to share a mate, unless I initiate the idea. I've tried it and it was a strange idea..maybe cause it was during a year in which I experienced over 6 deaths....who knows. I'm capable of being jealous, because I'm not always so secure or think I'm enough for my partner. I'm very secure about work, teaching, healing and being a friend, but being a lover no. (I'm sure I adopted that fear from my parent's interaction) Yes folks Ro has fears. If I find myself liking someone and I know they have other suitors..I disappear cause I never see myself as someone's favorite, therefore I couldn't handle the competition. So there you have it.
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                  Fri, November 10, 2006 - 2:32 PM
                  I wouldn't know where to start with polyamory. I like to lavish attention on one person and relationships take work so I don't know if your split it many ways. Do you take the same energy and split it seven ways, for example? How much do you need to work on a polyamorous relationship? There are always outside attractions operating in most people's life anyway so you just act out on it. You would of course need to double-protect yourself because of the physical contact.
                  Plus, I don't have the time for a complex love-live, one that you need to track with an agenda.

                  I really don't get attached in those setting so it would be all about sex. I guess it would be fun to have many lovers and you can't take anything seriously in that kind of setting. I wouldn't care much about a partner who would get involved in that kind of multiple relationship anyway.
                  But this is about people caring about one another but in a multiple relationship. I haven't tried it. I can understand the concept of getting someone else outside a primary relationship for their special qualities if you mate agrees. I'm clueless about the whole principle.
                  Being involved with several people that way at the same time is also emotionally reassuring and there is safety in number. Who knows? maybe I should try it but I have always been very monogamous - very into one person at one time. This even out the risk (like a life-insurance).
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                    Re: Laws of Attraction

                    Fri, November 10, 2006 - 2:52 PM
                    Eniad, I can sure sympathize.

                    I actually did get involved with one polyamorous relationship and I feel that for me, it was a mistake.

                    My best friends, who have an open relationship, argue against the use of the term primary and secondary in referring to relationships. I don't think it's hard to see why.

                    But in my case, the relationship that was for me a primary (and only) relationship was a secondary for her. I forever wanted to spend more time with her but she had other relationships to tend. It didn't work, and I ultimately came out of that relationship feeling very used, because, in retrospect, what I think was going on is that I had gotten involved with someone who was addicted to "romantic" relationships -- having conquered me, she was moving on for that next fix.

                    I still can't rationalize the strict monogamous claim that one person should have exclusive rights to another; this sounds to me too much like ownership. But I also see that the time needed for each relationship doesn't scale up well. I don't see how one can take on additional relationships without shortchanging someone, particularly in a world that places ever more demands on people's time.
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                    Re: Laws of Attraction

                    Fri, November 10, 2006 - 2:57 PM
                    Enaid..its not for everyone...don't feel like you're obligated to try it. you know? you got to have what works for you.
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                    Re: Laws of Attraction

                    Fri, November 10, 2006 - 8:54 PM
                    "I wouldn't know where to start with polyamory. I like to lavish attention on one person and relationships take work so I don't know if your split it many ways. Do you take the same energy and split it seven ways, for example?"

                    Of course, there are very real limitations of time but basically you just allow your heart to encompass each person. A good analogy is having two or three children. The attention and energy they get is different from what one child would receive but it's not necessarily inferior, in some ways it may be preferable. We are capable of a great deal of love, much more than any one individual can receive.

                    "" How much do you need to work on a polyamorous relationship?"

                    As much as any other relationship, certainly and multiple relationships definitely complicate things, polyamory is not for the feint of heart.

                    " There are always outside attractions operating in most people's life anyway so you just act out on it. You would of course need to double-protect yourself because of the physical contact."

                    And we have been conditioned to see "outside attractions" as something we have to resist, but if we are talking about people we feel drawn to, people we feel a sense of kinship to--why are we mandated to exclude these people from our hearts or our lives?

                    "I really don't get attached in those setting so it would be all about sex. "

                    Perhaps, for you that would be true and for some people it is true, but it isn't true for everyone. And for some people sex is all about love.

                    "I guess it would be fun to have many lovers and you can't take anything seriously in that kind of setting. I wouldn't care much about a partner who would get involved in that kind of multiple relationship anyway."

                    Well, sometimes it is fun, sometimes it is overwhelming, sometimes it is heartbreaking just like any relationship. It may be that you can't take anything seriously in that kind of setting but I take all of my relationships very seriously. In fact, I take all of my interactions with other people very seriously.

                    "But this is about people caring about one another but in a multiple relationship. I haven't tried it. I can understand the concept of getting someone else outside a primary relationship for their special qualities if you mate agrees. I'm clueless about the whole principle.
                    Being involved with several people that way at the same time is also emotionally reassuring and there is safety in number. Who knows? maybe I should try it but I have always been very monogamous - very into one person at one time. This even out the risk (like a life-insurance)."

                    Yes, and I'm clueless about the whole principle of expecting to love one person and only one person at a time, and having to abandon one if you meet another. It just doesn't make sense to me. I don't know that we can really find security in intimate relationships, no matter how many we have. Having more than one lover during a break up is not that much different than having good friends during a break up, people are not really interchangeable. When you lose someone it hurts, no matter how many friends and lovers you may have.
                • Re: Laws of Attraction

                  Fri, November 10, 2006 - 6:12 PM
                  i'm impressed at how thoughtful the responses have been here, so I will try to be equally thoughtful. In polyamorous circles there is a great respect for variation, people encourage respect for various viewpoints. Having experienced discrimination, they are reluctant to discriminate but the truth is I don't really understand monogamy. So, I'm going to be cautious in my response because I know I only understand my limited viewpoint. As far as security is concerned, insecurity is about fear and I think fears are best confronted rather than protected. I really relate to the "no competition" feeling! I hate competing, I don't want to compete for love, there is something about that idea that is So repulsive to me. I simply won't do it. I am what I am. If you love me, that's wonderful, if you don't, I hold you harmless, I wish you well, I bless you on your way. Isn't it interesting that such a similar feeling would lead you to monogamy and me to polyamory? I do not ever want to compare the people I love--one to another--I love each one as they are, the gifts and miracles that they are. I'm not looking for the *best* partner, I just let love come to me and welcome it when it comes.
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                    Re: Laws of Attraction

                    Fri, November 10, 2006 - 9:46 PM
                    Isn't it interesting that such a similar feeling would lead you to monogamy and me to polyamory?

                    Yes, love puts us on the block. If we open up, we agree to be vulnerable.
                    Sometimes the resisting and the strange mind games we sometimes unconsciously devise not to be vulnerable create more trouble for us than the vulnerability.

                    There is no guarantee ever but it helps to pick people with similar values.

                    I also don't feel like I own another person. Concentrating on one other person is a priority I have given myself so far because of my busy lifestyle. But, who knows, life is about change so maybe I will try it later.
                    Maybe I'll be the hottests thing around in the old folks home, time permitting.
                    That would actually be the perfect setting for it!
            • Re: Laws of Attraction

              Fri, November 10, 2006 - 8:56 AM
              I really got the guys talking about "love" which I think is a topic men care about despite the myth.

              Because we are spirit welded to the flesh I wonder if there is something behind David's comment. Sometimes couples flounder because there is no sexual attraction. According to de Angelis, once more, the spark can be rekindled if it has been buried under everyday life that happens in heaps to all of us. If it was never there, however, the couple is in deep trouble unless they are older people (even younger people) that can do without as there is nothing to rekindle.
              The polyamory concept could be there to supplement good friends who have become a couple without sparks. There is also the daily grinding down of "attraction" but I think that it does not really go away but become dormant unless the person reveals himself or herself very below par.
              There is always outside attraction operating. It is part of life. To indulge into them is a different story unless you have a partner who agrees (or agrees to look the other way), it simply complicates matter especially if you have a good relationship: one with a spark and compatibility.
              Of course, such things are highly individualistic with some people truly unmonogamous but most of us are serial monogamists.
              As for the string that pulls, I have felt it. Changes are unfortunately part of life and changes are always uneasy.
              And Roah, an older friend has just met a man who was involved in a long time marriage with a woman who did not share his spiritual values but who was a great homemaker/ mother. The family now brought up, both partners have moved in to fulfill different parts of their personality. You are lucky to be able to do both with the same person.
              My friend is deeply into spirituality and that man is now perfect for that part of the road with her. Her own husband was a scientist who passed away but who was a good husband/father.
              Life is change and evolution, though change and evolution are not easy.
              The single most important item according to de Angelis, besides share values: a lover who is also a friend. This will tide you over the rough spots that life invariably brings.
              • Re: Laws of Attraction

                Fri, November 10, 2006 - 12:13 PM
                Women avoid me like the bubonic plauge and I can't seem to figure out why. Sure I'm broke, but I see a lot of broke asses with girlfriends, even wives for crying out loud. And I'm not as ugly Marty Feldman or anything, and sure, I'm pretty obnoxious, but there are a lot worse jerks around. I can't figure it out. I'm really do think it all comes down to pheremones.

                Internet dating can be fun, but not much ever came of it for me. You just don't know until the ole pheremones hit you. I did have a sort of stalker for a while, and that was flattering.
              • Re: Laws of Attraction

                Sun, November 12, 2006 - 6:12 PM
                Yeah, I suppose "lucky" is a word. :-)

                It's been really stressful to try to come to terms with the "new us" in whatever incarnation we happen to be in and however that's defined. Mostly, it's me stupidly wishing for a simpler time and a simpler version of us, but twas not to be. I think however we end up rebuilding our relationship will be better for us and the children, and they are for both of us our highest priorities.

                I appreciate the sentiment and zen views, though, thanks Eniad.

                Happy days,

                -R
                • Re: Laws of Attraction

                  Mon, November 13, 2006 - 4:01 AM
                  this burning man turns one
                  05 was a wonderful rebirth in may ways and l'll support circles for all internally... let lots of baggage go and tried on some new ways of being too... to stay impecable l'll simple say poly didin't work for me personally....
                  06 gave hard lessons and l burned any expectations of find the one and or playing just for fun... going forward with gratitude for those lessons l prayed in tee pee meetings to simply be good on my own as freewil...
                  at the oracle gathering l start the evening in the sanctuary toning with a crystal bowl... being very connected with all l felt a very special presence beside me unlike anything l ever felt... l reach out openly to liz starting by putting my hand over her dawntein from behind while she sat in prayer pose... we then came to hold hands in prayer pose while toning sacred vibrations... for the rest of the dance we where inseparable and have been since with the exceptions of work and her being a mother of two with a need for at least a few hours of sleep :)... yes the one brings the gift of a nine year old girl elen and a four yr old boy jerin too... liz missed seacompression for some sleep and lack of a sitter yet we look forward to sharing out shining love in circles...
                  www.burningmanseattle.com/galle...ge.php
                  the boggie universals flight was great and prefunk at holly's was perfect... we are truly blessed and give thanks daily for the connection as soul mates... sharing a kindred spiritual path and lots of passion harmonizes us as one with love...
                  it's all good;;;freewil and liz

                  posted this to my blog tonight and will add after catching up on tthis thread that ploy didn't work for me as it feels like dillution and other stuff that's mostly about me but may share latter...
            • Re: Laws of Attraction

              Fri, November 10, 2006 - 12:46 PM
              I think the speed of connecting works different for different people. I know couples who started fast and are still together. I also know couples who took their time in doing everything and once they moved in and got married, the relationship ended right after.

              Here's my theory there is no hard fast rule for loving.

              Some people will never have a deep love because they are too fearful of losing their identity or don't really kow what they want from another person. so they create natural roadblocks without knowing it.

              Some people make themselves unattractive by presenting themselves as troubled souls, case in point, self-doubt, second guessing yourself, putting yourself down turns a potential lover off.

              People like secure and stable people, so when we come across as an emotional mess, we send off signals of neediness and instability.

              The type that often go after unstable people are usually the superhero types who are also afraid of close relationships with equals, so they attract someone who needs a lot of attention and is often incapable of giving love back.

              Here's the big one...when you like yourself as you are..others will like you as well. No one is perfect, No one will fill all your needs. But the key is to be full with your own love for yourself, so when you meet someone, that person will be an equal..and not a deficit or an emotional project that takes away from your life or your need for love.

              When we are busy trying to help someone, we don't get what we need from that relaitonship either...

              I say, start with your heart..yourself..and then the rest will follow.

              People don't reject us...unless we reject ourselves
              • Re: Laws of Attraction

                Fri, November 10, 2006 - 12:52 PM
                Hey! I resemble that remark!
                • Re: Laws of Attraction

                  Fri, November 10, 2006 - 12:53 PM
                  Deva...you're not a bad looking guy, you're smart, funny and pretty cool...just pick the right women..lol You like women who are not available..lol and you know what I mean. When you aim for those who are not available...we can get hurt...so what does that say?
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                    Re: Laws of Attraction

                    Fri, November 10, 2006 - 1:00 PM
                    Hmm...now that K-Fed's out of the picture, maybe not so unavailable as you think, heh heh heh...
              • Re: Laws of Attraction

                Fri, November 10, 2006 - 12:52 PM
                Gary..awesome message

                You know love is possible on any realm.

                Yes we do get twisted and decieved by online encounters...but we also go through the same crap in real life. Tell me which of you has never had their hearts broken by someone you met in person? So why won't it also happen online?

                Heartbreaks are everywhere and anywhere...the key is to learn from it and not personalise it like it means something is wrong with you. People reject us for a number of reasons and it often has nothing to do with looks...stuff happens.

                One day you're excited about a person...and then the next day you're not. Maybe when you met them you were open to the emotion, but as you got to know the person, you felt less attracted. Might not be the body, could be the mind, could be the values, the distance, the possibility they are married and have 10 kids?

                Anything is possible...but you can't take it personal. I've been rejected...heheh and will continue to be rejected. I try to learn from the situation, instead of assuming something is wrong with me an dif there is something wrong with me...it's still not the end of the world. Then again I'm a pisces..we're always meeting people :P
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                  Re: Laws of Attraction

                  Fri, November 10, 2006 - 1:03 PM
                  {quote - so you know which message I'm replying to}
                  Anything is possible...but you can't take it personal. I've been rejected...heheh and will continue to be rejected. I try to learn from the situation, instead of assuming something is wrong with me an dif there is something wrong with me...it's still not the end of the world. Then again I'm a pisces..we're always meeting people :P

                  ...

                  I'm a pisces too. Sure, I'm always meeting people, but I subconsciously keep them at a managable distance. I think I might give off that "unavailable" vibe. I don't know. Women speak highly of me, but they don't go out with me.

                  I've had an online relationship and it doesn't work for me. It has to become f2f for it to go anywhere, mainly because I'm also a kinestetic and need to touch people to really connect with them.
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                    Re: Laws of Attraction

                    Fri, November 10, 2006 - 2:56 PM
                    Gary whats' f to f..nevermind as I typed it I figured it out. face to face..cute

                    I can feel people without seeing them..so to me any realm is possible. Trouble is I get too "hopeful" for impossible things. lol I'm my own worse enemy.

                    People said kind things not to hurt our feelings..so we sometimes think they are being dishonest, when in fact they are trying to be humane by not telling us everything. Hey people don't wish to be known as jerks...but if they tell us right off the back they are not attracted to us the same way...we often get bend out of shape and make them feel badly for making us feel badly.

                    Many of us, let's admit it create more out of internet connections then they are meant to be...we often let our fantasies or imagination fill in the gaps where reality belongs...so we get carried away thinking ..oh we've met the one...meantime the person on the other side is just being friendly, flirty or having fun, like we should be.
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    Re: Laws of Attraction

    Fri, November 10, 2006 - 12:45 PM
    Kindness- without hope of reward
    Intelligence- being able to converse on the same level
    Mental strength- I like strong women, who know who they are and don't get pushed about by other's opinions.
    Physical attraction- the eyes have it

    online, it would be the first three.
  • Re: Laws of Attraction

    Sun, November 12, 2006 - 5:54 PM
    Looks, Intelligence, A child-like nature (not immaturity :P), honesty, a certain something, spirituality, gentleness, sweetness
    Hormones? hmm, not sure about that one, I guess thats why its last on my list

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