Attraction

topic posted Sat, June 20, 2009 - 5:20 PM by  Miss Pixie S...
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A lot's on my mind these days, so I figured I open up and share about it, on public record.
I truly don't get why I am attracted to the men I am attracted to. They all have problems around relationships and/or money. It makes me sick. Is it a reflection of myself? Or is it my desire to "fix" them? (That's rhetoric). I wanted to put that out there because I know I have friends in this tribe, and I need help. I trust that this tribe is a safe place where I won't get attacked.
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  • Re: Attraction

    Sat, June 20, 2009 - 9:27 PM
    You used the word "attracted".

    Do you truely find them attractive? What element of them draws you in initially? What do they have in common?

    As a kid, and then even post-college, I wondered why "all the pretty girls go for the douchebags that treat them like crap?"

    Then later I realized a few things:
    (1) "pretty" goes way deeper than the skin (and nose job ;-)
    (2) some people accept, or even welcome, strongly-inflicted negative attention; the intensity makes them somehow feel secure
    (3) nice guys might finish last, but ultimately, we're the ones people really wish to be with as they struggle to leave their miserable relationships

    Maybe it's harder to find "nice guys" because they're "working hard" to stay in loving relationships, and trying to stay the course while they're figuring out how the hell to do so!

    You're a bit vague when you write "problems around relationships and/or money".... lack of $$$ is always stressful. Or perhaps you mean that you think their views about responsibility and deep meaningful love are crappy?
    • Re: Attraction

      Sun, June 21, 2009 - 12:22 AM
      Hey Red Rob. I think I may have been mistaken in my perception of some of them. I just don't know anymore... you know?
  • Re: Attraction

    Sun, June 21, 2009 - 3:28 AM
    Well, I don't know about the money part...but I might have some insight on the relationships part. That is...if the relationship problem is that the guy is an asshole.

    If that's the case...try this on for size...my own theory on why so many women and men seem to be attracted to assholes....

    Assholes, at least many of them, seem to have three or more of the following positive personality traits going for them:
    1) don't give a fuck what others think of them
    2) self confident
    3) kind of cocky
    4) generally physically attractive - if they weren't, people would NOT put up with their shit
    5) decisive
    6) job/economic climbers - what percentage of executives and managers are assholes? does it seem to you like a higher percentage than the general population? sure does to me! why? possibly cause these folks will step on anyone in their way to climb that ladder

    Now...all that stuff is pretty attractive to women. And I don't blame you.... I find those things attractive in women too.

    Unfortunately, in an asshole, it comes connected to the other shit he/she brings. You know...making nasty comments, always being right in every argument, never allowing you to have it your way, belittling you, maybe even hitting you. Who knows. S/He's an asshole. That's the kind of shit assholes pull.

    If that's the case, learn to separate the guys who have those personality traits above, but are not assholes from the ones who ARE assholes. It can be tricky, I know, but you can actually suss it out if you ask the right questions and listen to his answers.
  • Re: Attraction

    Sun, June 21, 2009 - 3:40 AM
    Good good. They got something important to teach you, and you are realizing that. Good. You use the I Ching? I like it a lot and it works for me. Anyway, work with that, the assumption that they are your gurus in this and that is why you are drawn to them. Fearlessly ask yourcellf why.
  • Re: Attraction

    Sun, June 21, 2009 - 3:41 AM
    Women I have met who are attracted losers I have always felt was due to a lack of self-esteem. These may be bright successful intelligent women who don't think they are worthy of a decent guy. My wife's good friend seems to be like this. I don't know if this applies to you, just an observation in general. Maybe you're just perceptive about guys who have major flaws and are drawn to them. Hope you figure it out and find someone whom you can be happy with.
    • Re: Attraction

      Sun, June 21, 2009 - 3:43 AM
      A lot of people judged as "losers" in the current culture and society are people of great value in my opinion.
      • Re: Attraction

        Sun, June 21, 2009 - 6:33 AM
        I agree, Will. I know a lot of people who...by the measures and standards of a lot of people...would be classed "losers." Most of them are incredible people.

        I also have met or known a lot of assholes; both with and without money. Financial success has nothing to do with one's worth as a human, as far as I can see.
        • Re: Attraction

          Thu, June 25, 2009 - 1:46 AM
          Sorry. I've been gone since Sunday. My definition of "loser" here applies not to those who have failed to accumulate fame or fortune. More about those who are shallow, self-centered, and lazy. Someone who brings nothing to share in a relationship but their own self interest. Not speaking financially.
  • Re: Attraction

    Sun, June 21, 2009 - 5:26 AM
    Is it really a mater of their problem with relationships and or money. Or your being attracted to them , and their view of relationships / money doesn't conform to your wishes ? hence the need to " fix them".
    You're asking us, " do I have the problem, or do they" ? Generally speaking, if you think everyone else has a problem, then it's probably you that has a problem.
    But in the final Analise your asking others to respond to a complex situation with only the most meager information. Ultimately, only you can answer this, and take the steps to correct yourself, you can not " fix" another, only yourself.
    • Re: Attraction

      Sun, June 21, 2009 - 6:05 AM
      lots of good answers here.

      I am goign to say a couple things which arent said yet


      1. sometimes the ones who have a few 'troubles' are ones who try to be more attractive to women as they internally knwo that they need soem help or growingup or development.. whereas those who dotn seem so attractive ar eones who go to church, take grad classes, dotn buy nice flashy things, help their neighbors and have less free time..more dedicated to a 'whole' life than ones with troubles who may be more into learning or beign available

      2. the comment .. igf you think everyone else is wrong.. it may be you.. well, it may be that youare in the wrong place.. and you are attemptting to fidn something which as you define it will be a different place say, uin your heart and then one in personal growth

      good question and answers.

      happy sunday
      • Re: Attraction

        Sun, June 21, 2009 - 8:53 AM
        Cathyq beat me to the punchline, often the people we are attracted to are reflections of ourselves. It's easier to avoid what we have to do in our own lives and psyche if we can transpose it onto another person.
        • Re: Attraction

          Sun, June 21, 2009 - 9:17 AM
          Ididnt quite say that Jezebal
          • Re: Attraction ; a little OT, but hey.....

            Sun, June 21, 2009 - 11:22 AM
            Cathyg, When you don't proof read your work, you sometimes create as many questions, as answers you offer.
            Your writing is often hard to follow, only because you don't take the time to edit.
            Believe me, after driving everyone crazy with my poor..4th grade spelling, I started using Mozilla Foxfire. It spell checks whether you like it or not.
            You're welcome everyone !
            • Re: Attraction ; a little OT, but hey.....

              Sun, June 21, 2009 - 2:04 PM
              Dan...Cathyg might have typos, but she still didn't mean what Jezbel thought she meant...though it is similar nevertheless. BUt I have to say, Jezbel's point is spot on!

              And spell check is a good idea...I try to use it, but sometimes if I open my tribe account through AOL it doesn't provide the spell check feature, which would be nice. Goodness so many times I think I spell something correctly and then I realise I didn't.
              • Re: Attraction ; a little OT, but hey.....

                Sun, June 21, 2009 - 2:22 PM
                I made a typo....meant to write ask yourself...
                • Re: Attraction ; a little OT, but hey.....

                  Sun, June 21, 2009 - 3:14 PM
                  we have to heal ourselves, but that is hard to do in isolation. we need to create communities based on love, not need or greed or sexual distraction. this is a very abnormal life we are all living.

                  of course we are all damaged, this is a very damaged society. . .but you know what is good and healthy. you want to fix yourself and you want to fix others. . .that is profoundly normal, but it may be dysfunctional.

                  the need to be loved and to give love is sooo powerful because of this dried up, lonely exploitative culture.

                  we have to heal. . .we have to be healers. and we have to find those who get it. we can't fix these problems until we have around those who we trust and with whom we can mutually nourish. .
    • Re: Attraction

      Mon, June 22, 2009 - 11:41 AM
      and by the way Mr Know it all

      when you mean you are is you're NOT your

      Analise is not correct either

      so proof your stuff before jumping on others.

      I'm done
      go discuss your projection onto others
      • Re: Attraction

        Tue, June 23, 2009 - 8:19 AM
        and by the way Mr Know it all

        when you mean you are is you're NOT your

        Analise is not correct either

        so proof your stuff before jumping on others.

        I'm done
        go discuss your projection onto others <<<

        ????? I have no idea what you're trying to say !
    • Re: Attraction

      Tue, June 23, 2009 - 9:00 AM
      But in the final Analise your asking others to respond to a complex situation with only the most meager information. Ultimately, only you can answer this, and take the steps to correct yourself, you can not " fix" another

      from you rpost

      Analise

      your

      not correct

      please project onto yourself the need for corrections
      • Re: Attraction

        Tue, June 23, 2009 - 9:38 AM
        Hahaha...

        Everything in between too.

        Hope that I did not sound too callous but in the end, whether after much introspection, analysis, rotten relationships, pain etc.the power, alas, is always back to us, sooner or later to effect the change.
  • attraction and conditions in love

    Sun, June 21, 2009 - 8:53 AM
    Miss..there is a lot of reasons behind attractions

    We are attracted to things we are familiar with, even if they are unhealthy.

    We are often attracted to qualities in people that remind us of our first significant relationships..i.e parents, peers, teachers

    We are also attracted to people who behave in ways we don't allow ourselves to behave...they represent the dark shadows we dislike to express...so through them we get the opportunity to express our darkness

    Now, we also play roles that give us a sense of comfort and proves us with some identity...many folks like to rescue because it makes them feel worthy of someone's love and unconsciously gives them a position that makes them valueable to the relationship.

    Good men/women who have low self-esteems often connect with assholes many times cause they learned when they were young that in order to get love they need to "earn" that right.

    Of course many of the unhealthy roles we learn come from imbalanced homes where our parents and siblings and/or peers taught us that in order to earn their love, we had to fulfill different conditions, like behave accordingly, do as you are told, be a perfect little kid...etc

    Our "fix it" tendencies are our way of repairing those past relationship we faced in our chidlhood or while growing up and often repeat when we "don't learn" new ways of being in relationships
  • Re: Attraction

    Sun, June 21, 2009 - 8:55 AM
    Miss...as yourself if you didn't fix a guy, will you still be of value? If you didn't help, will you be able to enjoy yourself in the relationship completely?

    What would happen if you meet a guy who had it all? Would you feel equal? sufficient or enough to be with them?

    Do you think you play the hero more then you need to?
    • Re: Attraction

      Mon, June 22, 2009 - 5:42 PM
      Miss...I could only think of an ex I saw a few weeks ago at an annual event whom I broke up with because of his alcoholism. He's been married for awhile, but did try to get me to go back with him first. Problem is he had/has an addictive personality. What was fixated on the drink was/is now fixated on religion, and that I couldn't deal with. The premise is fine enough in and of itself, but the intensity - and thus, inability to achieve balance - is what I couldn't work with. Did I want to fix him when we dated? Sure I did ... feeling for the beatings he experienced as a kid, and the emotional problems that ensued through adulthood as a result (among other things). I witnessed
      many of these things during our teen years, so Ro's not wrong about the familiar holding appeal.
  • Re: Attraction

    Mon, June 22, 2009 - 10:01 PM
    Miss Pixie, I see a lot 'loser' calling here upon initial reading, and funny, my first thought was, maybe there is an independent or unconventional component that you find compelling. How that plays out in your life may not go well, but how about looking at thebehaviors and personality traits that you like and see if you can find someone with those, yet he still has a viable way to fund his life and make good relationship choices?
    • Re: Attraction

      Tue, June 23, 2009 - 7:35 AM
      Plus, whatever the reason for the attraction and especially if you feel a pattern that does not make you happy, you can use your two feet and walk away and keep on walking. You have a choice.

      It sets a new curve, you slowly become attracted to healthier happier relationship.

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