life outside our planet

Yes, I also believe there is other life forms right here on earth that we cannot see

I honestly think we lack the imagination to think outside the container we know as earth.

However I believe and think 110% there is definitely life outside the planet earth....just think about the mere fact that our body chemistry is not even from stuff found in this solar system....our sun is not even capable of manufacturing anything higher then helium, which is the second element in the periodic table...hydrogen is the first and lightest makes 90% of the universe by weight...

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if we simply think in terms of atoms...protons and electrons, we can definitely understand there is life outside this blue planet...even perhaps just as complex, since chemically it is possible....

Skylar what about the aliens running out country who are missing human parts?..lol

Right on Barry! :-)

but.........i'm not taking anbody or anything to my "leader" - cause we'd never be contacted again!

Believe there is almost a certainty there is life elsewhere. But, probably most of that life is rather simple - maybe akin to algae or bacteria.

I think there are undoubtedly civilizations as well. Finding them is another question, the Universe is a big place while we, and they are very small. Earth has had life for an extremely long time, we are, so far, only a sentence in the last chapter of time.

In the end, unless "Warp Drive" is discovered, fro practical purposes, we're going to be alone.

Science Lecture supporting the above
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The Drake equation, formulated by frank Drake at Green Bank in 1960/61 is the most well known estimate of the prevalence of civilizations. Basically, they are inevitable, but finding one concurrent with our own is another problem.

Alongside the Drake equation is the Fermi-Hart Paradox. Fermi came up with the idea, and Mike Hart expanded thereon. The argument is simple, If there are many, many, other civilizations, then we should find some evidence of them - we don't. So, why not?

Enter Steven Hawking, who reminds us that the possibility of life does not demand intelligent life. There has not been shown an evolutionary value in intelligence. Perhaps advanced civilizations carry the seeds of their own destruction (Nuclear war, Global Warming, etc.) and only last for a short time, decreasing the chances of one nearby reaching it's peak at the same time as we.

I think this theory of Hawking's makes the assumption that all other life will be as agressive as human life is. In wargames you tend to have two viable strategies, attacker or "peaceful explorers". These two models basically mirror human life to an extent anyhow, but once population density reaches a certain mass peaceful explorers are forced to attack.

What if you had a species that only posessed the peaceful explorer instinct? Noit the attacking one. They could explore the seas or the skies of their planet and eventually progress to space travel without wasting their intelligence in pointless material acquisition or agression.

I think Hawking's theory models life on human life and doesn't admit the possibility of any other form of natural selection other than conquest. So that any intelligent life needs must consume itself before it contacts other forms.

The trouble is that must peaceful explorer forms of life aren't really going to be interested in Earth as it stands, they'd take one look at us and just say, "We can't deal with these crazy Humans" and just zip off elsewhere. We might have been visited a multitude of times already and just politely ignored.

There might be a whole system of resourse and idea exchange going on "out there" without us being in the slightest bit aware of it. We could have been "flagged" during the second world war or the cold war.

You also have to consider the risk of diseases. Any species visiting our planet might have found the common cold fatal to them. It could be that our bacteria are what keeps us "flagged". Assume there's an aggressive species that has somehow achieved interplanetary travel, they might be waiting for humans to invent a cold remedy before they invade or even be researching one themselves.

Peaceful explorers might be researching ways of curing all their viruses for us and ours' for them before they contact us.

If this idea seems complete wacko to you then consider HIV / AIDS as a virus, it's a peaceful explorer in the sense it doesn't do any damage in itself to its host, just lets its attacker cousins in, eventually to destroy us, hopefully, from its point of view, positing one up it, propogating itself in the process.

There you have another aspect of this theory, that iun tandem with the evolution of conscious life there mighbt always go the evolution of viral and bacterial life, and there the "real" competition might exist. Any species that attains the capacity to meet other forms of consciousness must do so before its parasitical life forms evolve to a sufficient extent to wipe it or any life it contacts out.

Humanity might evolve to a state whereby it contacts another intelligent lifeform and immediately wipes it out with the common cold. Or, like you say, we might not recognise it as intelligent because of its sheer alien nature. We're looking at Wales and Dolphins as mere animals, more or less, when you could argue that they possess consciousness as we know it.

Also ants communicate electronically much like a human brain, for we all know ants might be conscious in another sense - a consciousness spread among a whole swarm, the queen being the id.

Just messing about with the theory. I've actually experimented with ants before, fed them honey and watched them invade my flat is great trails headed for the kitchen, once they'd exausted all the resources or found something better they returned to their garden dwellling, or maybe something toxic in my kitchen wiped them out (a distinct possibility, I'm a slob).

Absolutely, I agree there is life out there. Soooo many galaxies and other solar systems, I think we are mere pebbles on the beach, in this universe.

I read a couple articles (maybe a NASA link, maybe another science site) that Hubble has discovered planets in nearby solar systems. Numerous nearby systems as a matter of fact. Nearby being relative I guess but one in particular stuck in my brain because it has gas giants and definitely planets in the "life zone" around that sun. Wish I had kept the link. Sorry.

Now if there was a civilization on that planet at our tech level, we'd never know it nor would they know about us. Just that there were planets in this system in the life zone if they were using their version of Hubble!

Here's the Deep Field Galaxies picture from Hubble. Look at it and think that it is just a section of one degree of arc in the night sky...

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