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Has anybody heard of cranial sacral therapy? If so what do you think?
I have heard/seen much that it is a quackery/hoax type of thing..does it actually do as it says or is this another alternative therapy that claims more than it produces?
I have heard/seen much that it is a quackery/hoax type of thing..does it actually do as it says or is this another alternative therapy that claims more than it produces?
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Re: Cranial Sacral therapy
Wed, July 1, 2009 - 4:09 AMBeen doing a search for one myself. I've know people who have done it and it works. I even talked to my chiropractor about it. You have to remember, nothing is guaranteed just like an alopathic (sp) doctor can't guarantee anything. Do your homework for the best practioner and go for it. -
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Wed, July 1, 2009 - 6:19 AMpeople say it works
I have my doubts, however, I have faith in chiropracters and accupuncturists. If nothing mor eit can give one a massage. I use massage therapistys also. But CST.. does not resonate for me. -
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Wed, July 1, 2009 - 1:07 PMI had a few treatments when going through a career depression.. the practitioner mostly worked on one place on my spine near my waist.. I never questioned it. I didn't feel results from the work, but her styel and her niceness made me feel accepted and liked.. this was huge fo rme at that time. -
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Thu, July 2, 2009 - 8:48 AMi had cranial work done on my back in the 90's. awesome stuff in terms of phyiscal relief. I won't say it did much emotionally for me...but then again I'm very in touch with my feelings. Its suppose to be very good for folks who don't express feelings well and tend to hold on to things for extended periods.
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Re: Cranial Sacral therapy
Wed, July 1, 2009 - 6:28 AMThere's a youtube for everything it seems
www.youtube.com/watch
It makes sense to me that bodyworkers would be able to release these pressures or tensions by massaging the cranium in certain ways too -
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Wed, July 1, 2009 - 9:38 AMonce at a grand opening of a healing center they gave sample sessions of their different therapies, including that one -- it was very uncomfortable indeed and bewildering too. They really didn't explain what they were going for. It's on my "skip it" list. -
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Wed, July 1, 2009 - 11:14 AMIt has an excellent reputation around here. However, it did not work for me during the two mix-treatment sessions that I went on.
The practitionner was honest enough to tell me.
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Thu, July 2, 2009 - 5:14 PMThere are places around here that do it, and it's popular. It's also supposed to be able to help someone with seizures. I simply couldn't afford
to get it done at the time. Reports I hear are positive, however, and promising.
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Thu, July 2, 2009 - 6:12 PMI recommend it often to mamas who's babies aren't latching well/nursing issues. I have seen it work miracles on babes. I had it done to my newborn a few times to help with nursing problems and it helped a lot.
I think with anything, the consumer needs to look around and find out who works well and has recommendations from others. I wouldn't just go to anyone, even if they are certified in it. -
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Fri, July 3, 2009 - 1:28 AMI have read this about CST..what do you think?
www.quackwatch.com/01Quacke...nial.html -
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Sat, July 4, 2009 - 12:39 PMThat you should go with what you feel comfortable with.
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Sat, July 4, 2009 - 3:54 PMI think it works for those in believe in it, and nay for those who don't. -
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Sat, July 4, 2009 - 5:18 PMThis is an interesting question because homeopathy worked on cows though they did not believe in it. What could be the problem is if you strongly disbelieve in a process.
"Reality"has the built-in stops, a bit like training wheels on a bike, that may allow things that you do not believe in o the surface to work anyway but here is the caveat. If you are already a powerful magician - you create your reality better than most - whether you know and if you strongly disbelieve in something, you will draw negative results to yourself.
Nothing wrong with leaving it alone then.
There are people who are negative magicians. They program for the worst and unfailingly get it and they are totally unaware of the fact.
This is negative magic - not black magic - and I precipitated this on my own head a few times before I realized what was going on.
i do not know where the poster stands but she may have some unconscious capabilities.
Fortunately, the average human is simply not that good at reality creation yet so the general safeguard and built-in mechanism that govern this world take over.
Reality is a strange thing. For example, there are studies that state that allotropic medicine - the kind that you get at the drug store, is 60% placebo effect.
There are also autopsies performed on accident victims for example. When they open up people they find that many have healed. themselves of diseases that they never knew that they had. -
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Sun, July 5, 2009 - 6:46 AMI agree, it depends on the `magician` & the relationship you yourself may have with her/him.
I am just making an inquiry, using cranial sacral therapy as an example that has come my way. So therefore looked at the negatives & positives already attached to any `therapy` or `wisedom` before looking at the `therapist/magician` themselves.
For me, the personal views & life of the `practictioner` is the catalyst for positive crative forces in the first place. So if they do not match with the power claimed by any `healer`, I cannot use their wisedom `in myself ` with any force or conviction. For I believe the key to wisedom & health comes from ourselves. Sometimes we just need the `reflector` of that knowledge to help us realise our own strengths & knowledge! So the magicians/therapists are not the healers as claimed but the mirrors that help us to `remember` what we are, who we are & what we are capable of doing..also what we `already know`!
So any therapist/magician type, who`s personal life or deeds do not sound true, or there is something about them that is just not quite right, for me, will never, ever convince me.
rarely do we know the personal lives of these people, rather we trust in what others say, or what we read etc about the therapy itself..& this includes `all` therapies, not just cst.
We even follow therapies as a fashion thing..the `in` thing to do..the `thing` that tells society we are `together` or `self-aware` or even `green`.
What fools we are, as a human race, how willing we are to seek in others what we feel we fail within ourselves..seeking the answers, like some religious zealot. What selfish, self-centered creatures many of us have turned out to be.
I have always felt quite angry at times at others constant self indulgence in their own sense of `delicateness`!
Therapies have sprung up in their thousands over my lifetime..all feeding off our own sense of importance & sense of feeling `less` in some way, as these two opposites just go round & round, feeding off each other!
Bit of a rant that was..lol! -
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Re: Cranial Sacral therapy
Sun, July 5, 2009 - 8:08 AMEniad made a good point...believing in the process affects the outcome, as does the healer and the dynamic shared with that client. Many years ago, I was raped, and never sought counseling. Twelve years later, I took the oppty to change that and affected change within. However, I will definitely maintain that the particular counselor I worked with had as much to do with the outcome as I did. It was a good merger of two minds that worked together well, and that doesn't always happen. Dynamics are an influencial part of such processes.
Gosh, it feels so nice to have a working keyboard. I've been cutting and pasting spaces every time I've needed them since April...until a few days ago. Sweet relief..! -
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Re: Cranial Sacral therapy
Sun, July 5, 2009 - 10:02 AMI love cranial sacral work - it's always powerful and profound for me - always feel deeply effected by it - I think it works on our core energies. I've always wanted to study it but never had the money for a year-long course.
A coupla months ago I talked to a practitioner and she said it works with the tides of the body and part of the process is holding unconditional love in your space for your client - an approach I take in my own bodywork, so I felt validated by that.
I think if you receive it with an open mind [and heart!] you'll sense movement in your body. -
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Re: Cranial Sacral therapy
Sun, July 5, 2009 - 11:01 AMI've tried it and recommend it for those seeking alternatives to western medicine. It’s like acupuncture, acupressure and other non traditional healing modalities in this part of the world. www.transformingtouch.org/
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Re: Cranial Sacral therapy
Sun, July 5, 2009 - 10:45 AM(Trish)
glad your keyboard is ok
glad you can talkopenly about rape and feel good now.. it is a journey
each has his/her own
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Re: Cranial Sacral therapy
Sun, July 5, 2009 - 2:06 PMIf the Cranial Sacral Therapy doesn't work then perhaps Cranial Stick Therapy would.
It produces an immunity to whatever New Age HooDoo de Jour that might be lurking amidst the cranium dust!
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Re: Cranial Sacral therapy
Sat, July 11, 2009 - 5:08 PMAs a bodyworker/massage therapist/instructor; I highly recommend it for some conditions/problems.
Does it do what is claimed? Well, it depends on who says what. Some folks over-step their bounds and say CST can do all sorts of things. When in fact, many conditions are psychosomatic (no, I don't mean imaginary) and belief can play a huge part in a persons healing/recovery.
To the work itself. I'll explain it this way:
The body (all tissues/organs/bone) are wrapped in another tissue called fascia. The fascial system is one continuous piece of fabric inside the body. This fabric attaches to the inside of the human skull as the meningeal membrane system. The hydrolic system of the cerebral spinal fluid is palpable to a skilled practitioner (yes, it is minute). Using the ebb and flow of the csf one can traction/mobilize the plates of the skull, sacrum, spine, fascial bands/diaphragms, and limbs. The fascia is a structural system that holds things in their place. Fascia resists force. Fascia cannot resist the two extremes of force; very light/very deep.
Deep work (Structural integration/ Rolfing, etc), causes the fascia to undergo thixotrophy. Turning it from a solid to a gelatinous substance (temporarily). This will give the fascia length, thus lengthening segments in the body.
I look at light work as counter balance of gravity. Five grams of pressure is used. Under this small amount of pressure the body (bones, limbs) "unwind". This unwinding is much like what happens when you let go after twisting a piece of plastic wrap.
Because fascia can bind, stick, twist or have other abnormalities, it can communicate dysfunction throughout the body (remember, it is only one piece of fabric), like pulling on one strand of a spiderweb.
And on one of the links up above; it sucked. Doctors have a tendency to fail in their understanding of the human form. Medical schools do not teach manual therapies (or electrical or herbal medicine for that matter). Doctors are limited to pharmaceutical and surgical approaches to the body. Mind and body are still seen as separate and are divided into two types of schooling.
I recommend CST work for many of my clients who suffer from many conditions from headaches to nerve impingement even mental/emotional issues. But I also recommend, structural integration, neuro-muscular therapy, acupressure/puncture, trigger point therapy, or even a relaxing massage. It depends on what works best.
And finally, I agree with some of the above posts. You need not believe that something will work for it to. If you do, it may help. But if you don't believe it will, it probably won't. -
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Re: Cranial Sacral therapy
Sun, July 12, 2009 - 4:12 AMThank you for that informative post stace & the stance you take as regards the limits of medic as apposed to alternative & other forms of practice...I will get a decent book that covers something of what you say..any recommendations? -
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Re: Cranial Sacral therapy
Sun, July 12, 2009 - 8:30 AMI got alot from this website: www.joseph-lee.com/ct_cs.htm
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Re: Cranial Sacral therapy
Mon, July 13, 2009 - 11:49 PMYou are welcome. My ex-wife told me once that I am always teaching. She was right (b*#ch).
Anyway, if you want to learn the work; you need to be a therapist, nurse, or some odd thing. But you can still read about it. "The Heart of Listening" by Hugh Milne is a fascinating set of books. Part one is theoretical, part two is technique. John Upledger has written a number of books on CST. "Craniaosacral Biodynamics" appears to be another approach to the work. There are introduction books to CST for the laymen. Giving a broad overview of the work including introductions to theory, rationale and expectations from the work.
I wouldn't feel comfortable recommending a book unless I knew how to best serve you.
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