dark side

topic posted Tue, May 6, 2008 - 10:05 PM by 
do you embrace, avoid or attempt to destroy your dark side? Do you even know what your dark side is? And are you comfortable with it?
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  • Re: dark side

    Tue, May 6, 2008 - 11:13 PM
    I don't particularly embrace, attempt to destroy, or avoid my dark side. I register it's existence and do my best to co-exist with it. It is part of who I am. And sometimes darkness is called for, in my opinion. I understand some may disagree or feel that isn't their way, and I accept that - but it's mine.
  • Re: dark side

    Wed, May 7, 2008 - 4:04 AM
    Some parts I embrace, and others I work to eradicate. It depends on what my intentions are. I do my best not to avoid or ignore it. Yes, I am comfortable with it.

    I prefer the term "shadow" to "dark side."
  • Re: dark side

    Wed, May 7, 2008 - 5:29 AM
    I have a mixmaster personality; light and dark are all part of the blend. I long ago accepted that I could do harm as well as good; but I keep attempting to minimize the harm while using the strengths that what might be considered "dark" aspects (compeptitiveness, amition, egotism) can give.
  • Re: dark side

    Wed, May 7, 2008 - 7:31 AM
    In your definition, Rev, what is the dark side? Is it anger and violence, or is it the tendencies to be facinated with death and debauchery. I feel it is all me, so I do embrace it. It is the only way for me to keep it in control. I even have a profile that is directed toward that side.
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    Wed, May 7, 2008 - 8:23 AM
    I know I have a dark side because at various times I've lived it either in reality or the imagination, I will start some line of thought or action that others and myself might consider "evil" (for want of a better word) and usually I will pull myself back from the brink before the thought translates into act, but sometimes I will return to the thought and revel in it, look at the world of possibilities from 1000ft and sky-dive into it pulling my parachute chord at the very last possible moment.

    Muhahaha!
    • Re: dark side

      Wed, May 7, 2008 - 9:00 AM
      IMO my dark side's worst side is its tendency to hurt just me - thru depression, sadness, etc. And yes, I really really work, all the time, to diminish that energy and to encourage its opposite. There's just no point in suffering that I can see.
      • Re: dark side

        Wed, May 7, 2008 - 9:36 AM
        For every closed door, there is one that is open. Mutual Arising!! I say LET the world be auctorial, so that you don't act out. Rather, the vicarious sense we get that judgement - be it from mankind's hand - eliminates one less thing for us to answer for... We may gather the report of the whole ocean from just the path leading to its edge, but we may not enter lest danger should be attenuated... It is like yeah I get it, Get mine & don't regard those who may get your way. Well, I'm not going to give entry to his/her negativity. If you keep coming then youre Over. Negativity has no places.
        • Re: dark side

          Wed, May 7, 2008 - 10:00 AM
          Scott i'm not sure what you mean by negativity..lost me there
          • Re: dark side

            Wed, May 7, 2008 - 10:09 AM
            What do I mean by dark side...

            Honestly...I was looking to see what folks defined as dark side..not so much what I have to say...but to look at the various views on it.

            For me personally, its about realizing that I am not always nice, not always easy going not always calm...I have flaws. I get pissed..I have a part to me that losses control...gets triggered...etc

            I see the dark side as part of me as the light side...the qualities I try to improve, not necessarily eliminate, but recognize as part of me...

            When I seek to improve I simply try to make sure I don't use my dark side excessively or let it dominate. For instance, cursing. I curse periodically, but I make an attempt not to let it slip at improper moments...
          • Re: dark side

            Wed, May 7, 2008 - 11:45 AM
            Dark=negativity=false=the opposite of mercy THat light Mutually Arises with dark is my implication. I just thought that that duality was obvious--that is why I said for every door closed another is open. Judgement has the implications of harshness & pain--it is something we avoid. But People implicate their neighbor as having gotten in the way, to what they want out of their own personal condition. If someone sets me off into the respective corner/marginalizing me--I take on my new proximity, yet I am never pissed about it. That is what I mean Negativity has no places. I get my techs here upTight if I draw them away from their intent for the moment... this seriousness & candor in their behavior is the tone that must set the pace here at work. Me? well, I can stay occupied & not have to be dragged into the materiel of his effort, because my responsibility is ever different. In Buddhist thought Yin Yang is definitively a Mutual Arising, not necessarily dependence.
            I don't feel I have to answer for other people's stress. I can just lead them down by the cool water. My comfort doesn't have to be tagged with guilt, because I haven't suffered as others have. But realistically understanding comes from the inimitable moment, you're drawn to their flame. Step into it, but don't get burned IS my perspective. **Suffering** is the dark side.
  • Re: dark side

    Wed, May 7, 2008 - 10:31 AM
    I'm just amazed no one has made a Star Wars quip yet.
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      Wed, May 7, 2008 - 11:04 AM
      My reaction to the dark side may not exactly match yours.
      I am always working on refining things, stepping things higher up on the spiral. It is my life purpose though you won't find me hiding at the monastery. No one ever learned much there...well we all became fags for a while and it was guay with all the robes. The chanting, on the other hand was fine.

      You have to get yourself down and dirty (within bounds and respect to your own resilience) to learn and evolve. that is before you acquire wisdom that spares you the trip.
      In that sense, the dark side is a most precious resource. It is a highly protected playground and once you can cross it while laughing and being a little sad for the apparent bottomless pit of human stupidity, you are done.
      • Re: dark side

        Wed, May 7, 2008 - 11:23 AM
        High heavens is trying not to land on Its Face watching all the silly entertainment we provide.
        Me thinks that we should pass the hat more often.
  • Re: dark side

    Wed, May 7, 2008 - 2:24 PM
    I think in our society, people are encouraged to try to conquer or be victorious over their dark side. I grew up really really really Christian and our dark side encompassed a lot of things, but mainly our "flesh". Not our body, per se, but our wants and desires. I grew up with A LOT of guilt and am still trying to shrug that off. I do hallucenogenics and one recent mushroom trip really screwed with me. I saw me, for who I really am, and it was scary. I saw my dark/shadow side and my first reaction was to be afraid of it. To not want anything to do with it. This experience messed with me so much so that I went all the way to Peru to work with a Shaman and to drink ayahuasca. I had to confront this dark side of mine and see what was up. And I did. It was hard, but I now see that there is balance in us. Dark/Light. I have learned to not judge my shadow side, but instead, at times, when necessary, to embrace it. I disagree with a post here that says there is nothing good that can come from sorrow. There are times when we need to mourn. When we need to go through hard times to appreciate the good times. I recently broke up with my boyfriend of two years and man, it's been hard! I refuse to plaster on a smile and pretend that I'm not hurting. I also don't engage in any thoughts that will keep me down, but I instead, choose to let those emotions come, observe them, and let them go. I see it like being in a cocoon. It's dark. It's uncomfortable, and it's long, but in the end, the natural process of things will not let me down. Beauty comes. Now, as far as hurting others, or allowing myself to spread gossip, and that kind of "dark" stuff, no, I don't want to be that kind of person, so I don't participate in things that will hurt orthers or myself.

    Another note: when I was in Peru, during my last aya session, I felt myself being pulled under. The previous time I had flown with everything alive in the Universe. Well, when I felt myself being pulled under or in towards my underworld, I panicked. I thought, oh no, I'm going down into my hell again. I saw orange and felt heat. It wasn't my hell. Instead, I saw a beautiful cat woman locked in a cage. She was very feral and velvety. Let me go, she said. Let me out. She was purring and it was all so overwhelming. She was my "dark" side, my sexuality and yes, I had been locked until that moment. It was a hard decision; I went against everything I was brought up with, but in the end, I slid open that lock and she came out. It was amazing and I'm glad it did it!
    • Re: dark side

      Wed, May 7, 2008 - 3:30 PM
      I have been reading "The Care of the Soul" by Thomas Moore. I am finally mature enough to read it without putting it down because I find it too harsh.
      Pure idealism is dangerous. Nietsche knew that.
      The book is about darkness: our shortcoming, guilt, jealousy, rage and how it is all a blueprint of the soul. It all benefits benefits the soul.
      It is all part of the journey. The archetypal journey, how we travel the depths of darkness through enlightenment.
      It is about healing, healing in real life.
      • Re: dark side

        Wed, May 7, 2008 - 3:34 PM
        Christianity ended up being about societal control. It just was not about religion anymore and had grown totally away from the intial revelation that was its wellspring in an Orwellian manner.
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          Wed, May 7, 2008 - 3:56 PM
          ENIAD, are you talking about Christianity or Catholisism(sp)?
          • Re: dark side

            Wed, May 7, 2008 - 4:42 PM
            Lets see... it depends what you call a dark side. What I am is a placid snakishly cool exterior with a totally wild side within. am in other words completely an animal. I embrace this part of myself in fact it is a great source of strength and wisdom. I thus however have issues with "human" types of people who are not really animals or worse are out of touch with their animal self. What people need to realize to quote a popular actor, "The World is wicked and wild at heart." LOL Nick Cage was wearing a serpent jacket when he said this. Movie...wild at heart ;-)
            .....Nice to be recognized LOL. Any event it is NORMAL to be this way and if you're not well then you are ABNORMAL! So be what you are, embrace what you are because...just because this is IT folks might as well enjoy LOL.

            Leo water serpent if you wish to categorize me. Honestly I tell you the facts are that LOTS of other people are so totally NOT cool, you think it's because they can't deal?
          • Re: dark side

            Thu, May 8, 2008 - 1:13 PM
            Cristianity at large.
            Religions, in my opinion just become tools of control - societal control and herding - after a while (I studied political sciences). It is also a prevalent opinion where I live.
            Our brand of Catholicism was particularly stiffling and people went from full attendance, to deserting the churches in the span of six years. We called it the quiet revolution.
            Maybe because we are majorilly French, we tend to kick things out but in a nice non-violent way.
            We are not puritan like the Americans often are not guilt-prone like some protestant cults make you but they got us through fear, we were instilled. I am not.

            The same comment applies to all major religions.
      • Re: dark side

        Thu, May 8, 2008 - 7:05 AM
        I'm reading that book, too. And like you, I've picked it up and read bits and pieces only to put it down again. When I was going through a hard time last year, I read his section on depression and it really helped me see that no, I didn't need to be put on anti-depressants and that depression can be a good thing for your soul.
    • Re: dark side

      Wed, May 7, 2008 - 7:27 PM
      Alhana...the dark side consumes us more when we try to ignore it...basically the dark side for many is their sexual intensity and cravings for things they were taught were "evil"
      • Re: dark side

        Wed, May 7, 2008 - 9:22 PM
        i think joni mitchell said/sang it best:
        "i'm frightened by the devil and drawn to those ones that ain't afraid..."

        my upbringing has taught me to fear my *base* desires and reach towards holier, spirit-lifting goals, but it's funny how the ego grows in self-righteousness when we pretend to be *above* all that exists in the flesh (which is really just what IS, once the judgement has been released, right?)

        it's this little game of separating the body from the spirit, the light from the dark, the chocolate from the peanut butter (hehe), that messes with our perception. dammit, it's SO much better when we let them co-exist (resee's anyone?)
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          Wed, May 7, 2008 - 10:32 PM
          me;inda...the holier then thou are based on false holiness.....if folks were allowed to be real...maybe priest won't go around molesting kids out of sexual frustrations
          • Re: dark side

            Wed, May 7, 2008 - 10:32 PM
            Melinda why the chocolate reference...now I need to hunt for sweets...see what you did...you awoken my sugar cravings...lol
            • Re: dark side

              Thu, May 8, 2008 - 5:05 AM
              When I wake up 6:00am every am., I imagine that the night imagery is going to come up in realTime. The corporeal presence, say the heated conditions of forced thought scenarios from the studies I want benefit from--should have the possible illumined product I've grown to expect. & Respect. So, some ams I'll have a half-light image reflecting my room==this feeling in my eyes that I haven't traveled in the midnight sky at all. Only bidden self w/out thresholds to the developing conscious map. This is the dark side. I don't like that I've possibly burned up mental resources & that the floor of consciousness has left the day's embrace to a manufactured motive--typically more counciliatory. I realize that what I call creativity isn't asserting any identity as such--identity gets in the way of the epiphenomenal moment. Sometimes the half-thought (like that of a mere blueGray room in my eyes)--this incomplete reckoning--is laughable. If you've checked that box enough times, the one representing all those moments when you have left behind the mnemotechniques, you can see that life is one big road w/lots of signs--& those signs are usually not within, but rather WithOut. Dip in, dip in to the sea of possibilities (outside of US)--& this is proof the sea is not the intra spiritual Mind space, because that is what sought to obliterate itself.
  • Re: dark side

    Thu, May 8, 2008 - 3:41 PM
    Embrace and draw strength from.
    Not as much what, as where and how. My dark side is a verb.
    Comfortable. Like having an extremely well trained Mastiff. (for those not into dogs, Mastiffs are the "Dogs of War")

    LOVE THIS: "the dark side is a most precious resource. It is a highly protected playground and once you can cross it while laughing and being a little sad for the apparent bottomless pit of human stupidity, you are done." Would not have used the word "stupidity", but what the hey.

    For those into Astrology - I am a Gemini with a Moon in Scorpio, Scorpio rising.
    Descriptive phrase for that combination: "I am my evil twin."
  • Re: dark side

    Thu, May 8, 2008 - 4:19 PM
    I consider my dark sides (yes more than one) to be all part of the whole. I think I tend to co-opt my darkness and bring it into service. I tend to not be judgmental of either the darker or the lighter sides of me but see them as inevitable inseparable parts of the complete person.

    Willy
  • Re: dark side

    Fri, May 9, 2008 - 8:37 AM
    I'm a fan of the Tantric idea that Dark and Light, Good and Evil are both the same exact thing, the same single consciousness that we have split into two categories because we perceive them differently. The reality of it is there's no separation between dark and light, hehe! Most people, including me, can't see it so easily, but that doesn't mean its not true ;P I at least think you should accept your dark side with your light in order to be whole and balanced. Dark doesn't necessarily have to mean bad!