Why You Shouldn't Spend Your Stimulus Check
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I'll explain two reasons why you should not spend your economic stimulus check: the first applies to people who work regular jobs for wages, the second applies to people who work in investment banks for bonuses.
If you work for wages (or live on a pension), consider this, if every American said, "No thank you" to Bush's stimulus check and refused to cash them, the value of the dollars in your pocket right now, in terms of their purchasing power would go up by a factor greater than the face value ($600) of the stimulus check. In other words, if you didn't spend these checks, you'd be the richer for it.
The reason being that America does not have a hard-money economy, it's a debt-based fiat currency economy. All the money in circulation in America has been borrowed and then re-lent. So borrowing more money ($168 billion for the stimulus package) and then re-lending it to Americans, as Bush is doing, only increases the debt load and debases the value of the currency outstanding (against a backdrop of stagnant wages and minuscule interest rates for savers).
If an American was planning to spend $40K this year on food, clothing, shelter, health and various other expenses and they were hoping to defray some of that cost thanks to Bush's stimulus check understand that by simply adding another $168 billion of debt (the cost of the stimulus package) on top of America's current multi-trillion debt load will continue the Bush-Paulson-Benanke trend of debasing the purchasing power of your money and, therefore, raise the price of goods and services by more than the $600 'gift' (without a commensurate rise in wages or increase in interest paid on savings).
This is why America's debt problems won't go away. Every dollar spent adds debt and spawns more fiat currency issuance which has the effect of decreasing the purchasing power of the U.S. dollars in your pocket. Bush tries to make up the difference by borrowing even more; borrowing 340 million a day to fund the war and close to 3 billion a day to cover U.S. operating expenses, not to mention Wall Street borrowing over $30 billion a day to keep their Ponzi scheme going. All this borrowing keeps alive the vicious financial spiral trending lower towards permanent currency debasement and possible sovereignty loss.
Now, if you work in investment banking, the opposite is true. Bigger money supply growth means bigger fees and bonuses. You may lose more than $600 in purchasing power with that $600 stimulus check, but the fees and bonuses you make processing all that debt (read: dollars) is greater still. In other words, the more the government increases the debt load (money supply), the more you make -- even discounting for the lost purchasing power caused by the inflationary impact of higher money supply growth.
But listen bankers, resist the temptation to spend your stimulus check even though by doing so you are increasing America's indebtedness and, therefore, your fees and bonuses.
In a year or so, after 99.999% of America has cashed their stimulus check, any checks that have not been cashed will accrue value as collector's items.
As such, the value of these checks as un-cashed mementos of the failed Bush presidency should appreciate at the inflation rate plus a collector's item premium rate for years to come.
As a matter of fact, an enterprising soul might make a pretty penny by setting up a website to buy people's un-cashed stimulus checks at the face value plus a small premium. Five to six years from now, you might be able to re-auction and sell these un -cashed checks on eBay for double or triple the price you paid to Asian and European collectors buying these up like visitors to the Berlin Wall who buy chunks of concrete left over after the collapse of East Berlin.
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I'll explain two reasons why you should not spend your economic stimulus check: the first applies to people who work regular jobs for wages, the second applies to people who work in investment banks for bonuses.
If you work for wages (or live on a pension), consider this, if every American said, "No thank you" to Bush's stimulus check and refused to cash them, the value of the dollars in your pocket right now, in terms of their purchasing power would go up by a factor greater than the face value ($600) of the stimulus check. In other words, if you didn't spend these checks, you'd be the richer for it.
The reason being that America does not have a hard-money economy, it's a debt-based fiat currency economy. All the money in circulation in America has been borrowed and then re-lent. So borrowing more money ($168 billion for the stimulus package) and then re-lending it to Americans, as Bush is doing, only increases the debt load and debases the value of the currency outstanding (against a backdrop of stagnant wages and minuscule interest rates for savers).
If an American was planning to spend $40K this year on food, clothing, shelter, health and various other expenses and they were hoping to defray some of that cost thanks to Bush's stimulus check understand that by simply adding another $168 billion of debt (the cost of the stimulus package) on top of America's current multi-trillion debt load will continue the Bush-Paulson-Benanke trend of debasing the purchasing power of your money and, therefore, raise the price of goods and services by more than the $600 'gift' (without a commensurate rise in wages or increase in interest paid on savings).
This is why America's debt problems won't go away. Every dollar spent adds debt and spawns more fiat currency issuance which has the effect of decreasing the purchasing power of the U.S. dollars in your pocket. Bush tries to make up the difference by borrowing even more; borrowing 340 million a day to fund the war and close to 3 billion a day to cover U.S. operating expenses, not to mention Wall Street borrowing over $30 billion a day to keep their Ponzi scheme going. All this borrowing keeps alive the vicious financial spiral trending lower towards permanent currency debasement and possible sovereignty loss.
Now, if you work in investment banking, the opposite is true. Bigger money supply growth means bigger fees and bonuses. You may lose more than $600 in purchasing power with that $600 stimulus check, but the fees and bonuses you make processing all that debt (read: dollars) is greater still. In other words, the more the government increases the debt load (money supply), the more you make -- even discounting for the lost purchasing power caused by the inflationary impact of higher money supply growth.
But listen bankers, resist the temptation to spend your stimulus check even though by doing so you are increasing America's indebtedness and, therefore, your fees and bonuses.
In a year or so, after 99.999% of America has cashed their stimulus check, any checks that have not been cashed will accrue value as collector's items.
As such, the value of these checks as un-cashed mementos of the failed Bush presidency should appreciate at the inflation rate plus a collector's item premium rate for years to come.
As a matter of fact, an enterprising soul might make a pretty penny by setting up a website to buy people's un-cashed stimulus checks at the face value plus a small premium. Five to six years from now, you might be able to re-auction and sell these un -cashed checks on eBay for double or triple the price you paid to Asian and European collectors buying these up like visitors to the Berlin Wall who buy chunks of concrete left over after the collapse of East Berlin.
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Re: Don't cash that fake "stimulus" check!!!
Thu, May 1, 2008 - 3:13 PMRo mentioned the only way to use your stimulus check was at a yard sale.
BUT, Ya know, this slight bent logic actually does makes sense.
We won't do it, but it makes sense.
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Thu, May 1, 2008 - 6:00 PMI'm spending less as a whole....
I think most folks are so broke that they will be spending the money on bills and not shopping. Bush is hoping the check will go towards spending on luxury items, but the fact is if someone has extra money that money is going to go towards more bills...
Even addicts are spending less on beer, drugs, cigarettes, etc....the word in the addictive world is that drug dealers are making less money and people are consuming less drugs since there is very little extra money. Now you know its critical when even an addict is being budget conscious...
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Re: Don't cash that fake "stimulus" check!!!
Sat, May 3, 2008 - 5:26 PMI will not be getting a check..if anything it will be deducted from what I owe....
I'm in that beautiful group that never gets refunds since we make too much for refunds...and yet too little to be rich...
if I got a refund...I would pay a bill
but i would remember this is blood money...money to keep us appeased and feel less anger towards the current state of affairs
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Fri, May 2, 2008 - 8:57 AMThis sounds very good and interesting, however, the big "if" in your explanation is an "if" that is extremely unlikely to happen, although i guess not impossible. and that if is that IF every (or a vas majority) of Americans did not cash their stimulus check, it would go up in value. I think that all (or the vast majority) of Americans WILL cash their check, and so then the few people who are trying this little experiment will just get the Joan Collins Special (i.e. the royal screwjob).
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Re: Don't cash that fake "stimulus" check!!!
Fri, May 2, 2008 - 9:20 AMI wouldn't call refusing to take a $600 bribe in the name of standing up for your values "the royal screwjob" ~ some people are willing to stand up for what they believe in at even higher stakes & consider it an honor to have the opportunity to "put their money where there mouth is".
I think the value rising of the piece of paper in question is the secondary issue ~ a possible added bonus ~ but the main point is to take part in a plan that better reflects one's personal values.
Personally speaking, I'm not getting a check ~ so I'm not cashing one ~ simple.
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Fri, May 2, 2008 - 10:27 AMWell I won't be getting a check in the mail, they will simply deduct that $600 from my tax bill so I won't have the option of keeping it as a momento, even if they did send it to me id cash it and send it back to the govt for taxes, either way its a waste for them - just taking money from one pocket and putting it in another.
As for Bush hoping people will blow it on luxury goods.... what luxury goods are you going to be buying for $600? a new dvd player maybe, of course those are japanese, new TV? they are japanese and more than 600, frankly if I didnt have taxes for last year the check would have gone into my savings account.
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Fri, May 2, 2008 - 9:07 AMI think I'll spend mine on drugs and hookers.
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Fri, May 2, 2008 - 10:36 AMthis is interesting and makes sense...........although people with children will have more leeway here....but unless you're talking about the old woman who lives in a shoe.........the amount of money that many people will get is too insignificant to buy anything traditionally considered a luxury.....i think that many will probably use the money to pay off their own personal debt -
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Fri, May 2, 2008 - 11:12 AMI think everyone should take their stimulus check and donate it to whichever democratic candidate is running in the fall. The stimulus that will help the economy most is getting rid of Bush and his supporters.
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Re: Don't cash that fake "stimulus" check!!!
Fri, May 2, 2008 - 11:17 AMPrecisely.
Any cash coming my way out of the blue usually goes to that evil revolving debt that I got myself into and am slowly climbing my way out of.
The sky will be bluer and the grass greener when that is gone. =)
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What luxury could you buy with $1500?
Sat, May 3, 2008 - 2:12 PM>the amount of money that many people will get is too
>insignificant to buy anything traditionally considered a luxury
Really?! Perhaps that's true if you're living in a million dollar mansion, and the value of your luxuries are $50K and up.
- My wife wants to buy a couch, which I consider an unneeded luxury. (value: $500-$1500)
- I want to go on a vacation.. maybe a cruise.... some escape... (value: $1200-$2000)
I'll probably get $600 (wife) + $600 (me) + $300 (child) = $1500.
Maybe I'm crazy, but I can think of lots of "luxuries" $1500 could by... how 'bout a large-screen TV... how about a new stereo... the vacation.. the couch... some outrageously SEXY dress you've been putting off getting from the Pyramid Collection? Two years of a nice cell phone program, or one billboard ad on the side of the road that really expresses your political views?
How about use your check to buy a billboard that reads "stimulate THIS!"
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Re: What luxury could you buy with $1500?
Sat, May 3, 2008 - 5:22 PMI can see a couch as being partical...lol
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Sat, May 3, 2008 - 9:26 PM> a vacation is fun but once you're done that's it...
Two comments on that dear Ro:
(1) does a luxury have to last longer than 7 days to be considered a luxury?
(2) I disagree that "that's it" when the vacation is done. My daughter is "our little souvenier" taken home from my last Carribean cruise :-) (actually, Mexico to be precise... the fertility ruins we rode through on horseback I think had a little too much zest that day!) -
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Re: What luxury could you buy with $1500?
Sun, May 4, 2008 - 8:19 PMRob...that sounds like a new thread idea...
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Mon, May 5, 2008 - 9:53 AMAw, Red Rob - now you've answered the question I was going to ask from the virginity thread, when you said you still were one! And I was having a little trouble buying that story!
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Re: What luxury could you buy with $1500?
Sun, May 4, 2008 - 5:01 PMi'm sure there are some people that will spend the $ on whatever their heart fancies...........a big tv..........a whole lot of fluff-n-stuff.............but everyone i've talked to with the exception of one person plans to spend to $ on paying off their personal debt...........personally i dont GAF what anybody does with their $.............some people consider food & shelter a "luxury"........and i remember that -
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Re: What luxury could you buy with $1500?
Sun, May 4, 2008 - 8:20 PMScarlet I'm with you...personally I'm thrilled if anyone can have extra money...
And for some shelter and food is becoming a luxury.,...
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Re: Don't cash that fake "stimulus" check!!!
Sat, May 3, 2008 - 8:28 PM
I think you should spend the money or at least give it to your church or a low income person who really needs money to make ends meet.
The reason I say this is because of the credit system. Sure the value of the dollar will go down but it is going down now and not cashing the check will not help with that in my opinion.
We are a credit based economy now. Every credit card adds new money into the economy (the credit limit) that has never existed before. The banks are not putting up collateral for credit cards. This is the real problem in my opinion. You could challenge your credit card company and tell them you aren't going to pay any more because they created new money out of your promise to pay, that they have no accounts showing generally accepted accounting principles regarding the creation of your credit card account. They may pay something like 10 cents on a thousand dollars to the Federal Reserve to be allowed to create new money and then they pay people to manage your account. If things were fair, that is what you should pay for money too along with a reasonable service charge.
Owning a credit card company would be a sweet business, even if 80% of the card holders defaulted because it is free money to them. Once your account has a $10,000 credit limit for example, they can then use the money to invest in creating more money from nothing and other items... it is very strange.
I think you should spend the check ASAP and get a little good out of it for now.
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Tue, May 6, 2008 - 12:57 PMWell my husband is using his $600 to pay the credit card bill down from the $2200 we charged on it for his taxes this year.
My $600 is going to pay my utility bills and some of my books for my night classes. I'm ashamed to say that this New England winter kicked my ass heat wise and I still have a rolled over balance that makes me want to throw up every time I see it.
Originally the rebate $ was going to be for Faerie costume and spending money for FaerieWorlds this summer in Oregon, but I'll have to save for that in the next few months.
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Wed, May 7, 2008 - 11:42 AMoh... and here's a link to maybe find alternative currency in your area:
www.lets-linkup.com/71-USA.htm
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Re: Don't cash that fake "stimulus" check!!!
Wed, May 7, 2008 - 11:57 AMsorry for all the posts... but my surfing just led me to this (which is very cool and EVERYONE should know about it):
commongoodbank.com/
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Those bastards
Sat, May 10, 2008 - 6:25 AMI got a refund this year (being a student sort of inssures that), so I filed electronicly and had them deposit my refund directly into my account. I went to the bank today and deposited my paycheck from work, but my balance seemed wrong; way too much. So I checked to see what was going on, but the bank couldn't tell me because the system was down. This morning I checked it out online...sure enough, the "stimulous check was put directly into my account. The didn't mail me a check, they didn't give me an option of cashing or not cashing, they just stuck it in my account.
I don't like that. I don't like having the option taken away from me.
But if I'm honest about it, it is doubtful that I could have ignored $600 (which is what I got). I live pretty close to the bone financially, so while I'd had fantasies about not cashing that baby, I would have used it eventually.
One thing you can be sure of though, that money will stay in my local economy. And once my school bills are paid I'll look for a way to donate as much of $600 as I can to a local cause.
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Sat, May 10, 2008 - 12:45 PMI'm going to spend mine on a couple of foil hats!! -
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Re: Don't cash that fake "stimulus" check!!!
Sat, May 10, 2008 - 1:37 PMI'm going to spend mine on a couple of foil hats!!
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you may be interested in this, then....
Statistical evidence suggests the use of helmets may in fact enhance the government's invasive abilities.
Surprisingly, these helmets can in fact help the government spy on citizens by amplifying certain key frequency ranges reserved for government use.
people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/
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Sat, May 10, 2008 - 3:09 PMWOW..great link MEM!
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Sat, May 10, 2008 - 9:31 PMfreaking hilarious MEM. Laughing is good.
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