Advertisement
Read this and then get the hell off that site (unless of course you support what they say in this article)
Published on Thursday, January 17, 2008 by the Guardian/UK
With Friends Like These …
Facebook has 59 million users - and 2 million new ones join each week. But you won’t catch Tom Hodgkinson volunteering his personal information - not now that he knows the politics of the people behind the social networking site.
by Tom Hodgkinson
I despise Facebook. This enormously successful American business describes itself as “a social utility that connects you with the people around you”. But hang on. Why on God’s earth would I need a computer to connect with the people around me? Why should my relationships be mediated through the imagination of a bunch of supergeeks in California? What was wrong with the pub?
And does Facebook really connect people? Doesn’t it rather disconnect us, since instead of doing something enjoyable such as talking and eating and dancing and drinking with my friends, I am merely sending them little ungrammatical notes and amusing photos in cyberspace, while chained to my desk? A friend of mine recently told me that he had spent a Saturday night at home alone on Facebook, drinking at his desk. What a gloomy image. Far from connecting us, Facebook actually isolates us at our workstations.
Facebook appeals to a kind of vanity and self-importance in us, too. If I put up a flattering picture of myself with a list of my favourite things, I can construct an artificial representation of who I am in order to get sex or approval. (”I like Facebook,” said another friend. “I got a shag out of it.”) It also encourages a disturbing competitiveness around friendship: it seems that with friends today, quality counts for nothing and quantity is king. The more friends you have, the better you are. You are “popular”, in the sense much loved in American high schools. Witness the cover line on Dennis Publishing’s new Facebook magazine: “How To Double Your Friends List.”
It seems, though, that I am very much alone in my hostility. At the time of writing Facebook claims 59 million active users, including 7 million in the UK, Facebook’s third-biggest customer after the US and Canada. That’s 59 million suckers, all of whom have volunteered their ID card information and consumer preferences to an American business they know nothing about. Right now, 2 million new people join each week. At the present rate of growth, Facebook will have more than 200 million active users by this time next year. And I would predict that, if anything, its rate of growth will accelerate over the coming months. As its spokesman Chris Hughes says: “It’s embedded itself to an extent where it’s hard to get rid of.”
All of the above would have been enough to make me reject Facebook for ever. But there are more reasons to hate it. Many more.
Facebook is a well-funded project, and the people behind the funding, a group of Silicon Valley venture capitalists, have a clearly thought out ideology that they are hoping to spread around the world. Facebook is one manifestation of this ideology. Like PayPal before it, it is a social experiment, an expression of a particular kind of neoconservative libertarianism. On Facebook, you can be free to be who you want to be, as long as you don’t mind being bombarded by adverts for the world’s biggest brands. As with PayPal, national boundaries are a thing of the past.
Although the project was initially conceived by media cover star Mark Zuckerberg, the real face behind Facebook is the 40-year-old Silicon Valley venture capitalist and futurist philosopher Peter Thiel. There are only three board members on Facebook, and they are Thiel, Zuckerberg and a third investor called Jim Breyer from a venture capital firm called Accel Partners (more on him later). Thiel invested $500,000 in Facebook when Harvard students Zuckerberg, Chris Hughes and Dustin Moskowitz went to meet him in San Francisco in June 2004, soon after they had launched the site. Thiel now reportedly owns 7% of Facebook, which, at Facebook’s current valuation of $15bn, would be worth more than $1bn. There is much debate on who exactly were the original co-founders of Facebook, but whoever they were, Zuckerberg is the only one left on the board, although Hughes and Moskowitz still work for the company.
Thiel is widely regarded in Silicon Valley and in the US venture capital scene as a libertarian genius. He is the co-founder and CEO of the virtual banking system PayPal, which he sold to Ebay for $1.5bn, taking $55m for himself. He also runs a £3bn hedge fund called Clarium Capital Management and a venture capital fund called Founders Fund. Bloomberg Markets magazine recently called him “one of the most successful hedge fund managers in the country”. He has made money by betting on rising oil prices and by correctly predicting that the dollar would weaken. He and his absurdly wealthy Silicon Valley mates have recently been labelled “The PayPal Mafia” by Fortune magazine, whose reporter also observed that Thiel has a uniformed butler and a $500,000 McLaren supercar. Thiel is also a chess master and intensely competitive. He has been known to sweep the chessmen off the table in a fury when losing. And he does not apologise for this hyper-competitveness, saying: “Show me a good loser and I’ll show you a loser.”
But Thiel is more than just a clever and avaricious capitalist. He is a futurist philosopher and neocon activist. A philosophy graduate from Stanford, in 1998 he co-wrote a book called The Diversity Myth, which is a detailed attack on liberalism and the multiculturalist ideology that dominated Stanford. He claimed that the “multiculture” led to a lessening of individual freedoms. While a student at Stanford, Thiel founded a rightwing journal, still up and running, called The Stanford Review - motto: Fiat Lux (”Let there be light”). Thiel is a member of TheVanguard.Org, an internet-based neoconservative pressure group that was set up to attack MoveOn.org, a liberal pressure group that works on the web. Thiel calls himself “way libertarian”.
TheVanguard is run by one Rod D Martin, a philosopher-capitalist whom Thiel greatly admires. On the site, Thiel says: “Rod is one of our nation’s leading minds in the creation of new and needed ideas for public policy. He possesses a more complete understanding of America than most executives have of their own businesses.”
This little taster from their website will give you an idea of their vision for the world: “TheVanguard.Org is an online community of Americans who believe in conservative values, the free market and limited government as the best means to bring hope and ever-increasing opportunity to everyone, especially the poorest among us.” Their aim is to promote policies that will “reshape America and the globe”. TheVanguard describes its politics as “Reaganite/Thatcherite”. The chairman’s message says: “Today we’ll teach MoveOn [the liberal website], Hillary and the leftwing media some lessons they never imagined.”
So, Thiel’s politics are not in doubt. What about his philosophy? I listened to a podcast of an address Thiel gave about his ideas for the future. His philosophy, briefly, is this: since the 17th century, certain enlightened thinkers have been taking the world away from the old-fashioned nature-bound life, and here he quotes Thomas Hobbes’ famous characterization of life as “nasty, brutish and short”, and towards a new virtual world where we have conquered nature. Value now exists in imaginary things. Thiel says that PayPal was motivated by this belief: that you can find value not in real manufactured objects, but in the relations between human beings. PayPal was a way of moving money around the world with no restriction. Bloomberg Markets puts it like this: “For Thiel, PayPal was all about freedom: it would enable people to skirt currency controls and move money around the globe.”
Clearly, Facebook is another uber-capitalist experiment: can you make money out of friendship? Can you create communities free of national boundaries - and then sell Coca-Cola to them? Facebook is profoundly uncreative. It makes nothing at all. It simply mediates in relationships that were happening anyway.
Thiel’s philosophical mentor is one René Girard of Stanford University, proponent of a theory of human behavior called mimetic desire. Girard reckons that people are essentially sheep-like and will copy one another without much reflection. The theory would also seem to be proved correct in the case of Thiel’s virtual worlds: the desired object is irrelevant; all you need to know is that human beings will tend to move in flocks. Hence financial bubbles. Hence the enormous popularity of Facebook. Girard is a regular at Thiel’s intellectual soirees. What you don’t hear about in Thiel’s philosophy, by the way, are old-fashioned real-world concepts such as art, beauty, love, pleasure and truth.
The internet is immensely appealing to neocons such as Thiel because it promises a certain sort of freedom in human relations and in business, freedom from pesky national laws, national boundaries and suchlike. The internet opens up a world of free trade and laissez-faire expansion. Thiel also seems to approve of offshore tax havens, and claims that 40% of the world’s wealth resides in places such as Vanuatu, the Cayman Islands, Monaco and Barbados. I think it’s fair to say that Thiel, like Rupert Murdoch, is against tax. He also likes the globalization of digital culture because it makes the banking overlords hard to attack: “You can’t have a workers’ revolution to take over a bank if the bank is in Vanuatu,” he says.
If life in the past was nasty, brutish and short, then in the future Thiel wants to make it much longer, and to this end he has also invested in a firm that is exploring life-extension technologies. He has pledged £3.5m to a Cambridge-based gerontologist called Aubrey de Grey, who is searching for the key to immortality. Thiel is also on the board of advisers of something called the Singularity Institute for Artificial Intelligence. From its fantastical website, the following: “The Singularity is the technological creation of smarter-than-human intelligence. There are several technologies … heading in this direction … Artificial Intelligence … direct brain-computer interfaces … genetic engineering … different technologies which, if they reached a threshold level of sophistication, would enable the creation of smarter-than-human intelligence.”
So by his own admission, Thiel is trying to destroy the real world, which he also calls “nature”, and install a virtual world in its place, and it is in this context that we must view the rise of Facebook. Facebook is a deliberate experiment in global manipulation, and Thiel is a bright young thing in the neoconservative pantheon, with a penchant for far-out techno-utopian fantasies. Not someone I want to help get any richer.
The third board member of Facebook is Jim Breyer. He is a partner in the venture capital firm Accel Partners, who put $12.7m into Facebook in April 2005. On the board of such US giants as Wal-Mart and Marvel Entertainment, he is also a former chairman of the National Venture Capital Association (NVCA). Now these are the people who are really making things happen in America, because they invest in the new young talent, the Zuckerbergs and the like. Facebook’s most recent round of funding was led by a company called Greylock Venture Capital, who put in the sum of $27.5m. One of Greylock’s senior partners is called Howard Cox, another former chairman of the NVCA, who is also on the board of In-Q-Tel. What’s In-Q-Tel? Well, believe it or not (and check out their website), this is the venture-capital wing of the CIA. After 9/11, the US intelligence community became so excited by the possibilities of new technology and the innovations being made in the private sector, that in 1999 they set up their own venture capital fund, In-Q-Tel, which “identifies and partners with companies developing cutting-edge technologies to help deliver these solutions to the Central Intelligence Agency and the broader US Intelligence Community (IC) to further their missions”.
The US defense department and the CIA love technology because it makes spying easier. “We need to find new ways to deter new adversaries,” defence secretary Donald Rumsfeld said in 2003. “We need to make the leap into the information age, which is the critical foundation of our transformation efforts.” In-Q-Tel’s first chairman was Gilman Louie, who served on the board of the NVCA with Breyer. Another key figure in the In-Q-Tel team is Anita K Jones, former director of defence research and engineering for the US department of defence, and - with Breyer - board member of BBN Technologies. When she left the US department of defence, Senator Chuck Robb paid her the following tribute: “She brought the technology and operational military communities together to design detailed plans to sustain US dominance on the battlefield into the next century.”
Now even if you don’t buy the idea that Facebook is some kind of extension of the American imperialist program crossed with a massive information-gathering tool, there is no way of denying that as a business, it is pure mega-genius. Some net nerds have suggested that its $15bn valuation is excessive, but I would argue that if anything that is too modest. Its scale really is dizzying, and the potential for growth is virtually limitless. “We want everyone to be able to use Facebook,” says the impersonal voice of Big Brother on the website. I’ll bet they do. It is Facebook’s enormous potential that led Microsoft to buy 1.6% for $240m. A recent rumor says that Asian investor Lee Ka-Shing, said to be the ninth richest man in the world, has bought 0.4% of Facebook for $60m.
The creators of the site need do very little bar fiddle with the program. In the main, they simply sit back and watch as millions of Facebook addicts voluntarily upload their ID details, photographs and lists of their favorite consumer objects. Once in receipt of this vast database of human beings, Facebook then simply has to sell the information back to advertisers, or, as Zuckerberg puts it in a recent blog post, “to try to help people share information with their friends about things they do on the web”. And indeed, this is precisely what’s happening. On November 6 last year, Facebook announced that 12 global brands had climbed on board. They included Coca-Cola, Blockbuster, Verizon, Sony Pictures and Condé Nast. All trained in marketing bullshit of the highest order, their representatives made excited comments along the following lines:
“With Facebook Ads, our brands can become a part of the way users communicate and interact on Facebook,” said Carol Kruse, vice president, global interactive marketing, the Coca-Cola Company.
“We view this as an innovative way to cultivate relationships with millions of Facebook users by enabling them to interact with Blockbuster in convenient, relevant and entertaining ways,” said Jim Keyes, Blockbuster chairman and CEO. “This is beyond creating advertising impressions. This is about Blockbuster participating in the community of the consumer so that, in return, consumers feel motivated to share the benefits of our brand with their friends.”
“Share” is Facebookspeak for “advertise”. Sign up to Facebook and you become a free walking, talking advert for Blockbuster or Coke, extolling the virtues of these brands to your friends. We are seeing the commodification of human relationships, the extraction of capitalistic value from friendships.
Now, by comparision with Facebook, newspapers, for example, begin to look hopelessly outdated as a business model. A newspaper sells advertising space to businesses looking to sell stuff to their readers. But the system is far less sophisticated than Facebook for two reasons. One is that newspapers have to put up with the irksome expense of paying journalists to provide the content. Facebook gets its content for free. The other is that Facebook can target advertising with far greater precision than a newspaper. Admit on Facebook that your favorite film is This Is Spinal Tap, and when a Spinal Tap-esque movie comes out, you can be sure that they’ll be sending ads your way.
It’s true that Facebook recently got into hot water with its Beacon advertising program. Users were notified that one of their friends had made a purchase at certain online shops; 46,000 users felt that this level of advertising was intrusive, and signed a petition called “Facebook! Stop invading my privacy!” to say so. Zuckerberg apologized on his company blog. He has written that they have now changed the system from “opt-out” to “opt-in”. But I suspect that this little rebellion about being so ruthlessly commodified will soon be forgotten: after all, there was a national outcry by the civil liberties movement when the idea of a police force was mooted in the UK in the mid 19th century.
Futhermore, have you Facebook users ever actually read the privacy policy? It tells you that you don’t have much privacy. Facebook pretends to be about freedom, but isn’t it really more like an ideologically motivated virtual totalitarian regime with a population that will very soon exceed the UK’s? Thiel and the rest have created their own country, a country of consumers.
Now, you may, like Thiel and the other new masters of the cyberverse, find this social experiment tremendously exciting. Here at last is the Enlightenment state longed for since the Puritans of the 17th century sailed away to North America, a world where everyone is free to express themselves as they please, according to who is watching. National boundaries are a thing of the past and everyone cavorts together in freewheeling virtual space. Nature has been conquered through man’s boundless ingenuity. Yes, and you may decide to send genius investor Thiel all your money, and certainly you’ll be waiting impatiently for the public flotation of the unstoppable Facebook.
Or you might reflect that you don’t really want to be part of this heavily-funded program to create an arid global virtual republic, where your own self and your relationships with your friends are converted into commodities on sale to giant global brands. You may decide that you don’t want to be part of this takeover bid for the world.
For my own part, I am going to retreat from the whole thing, remain as unplugged as possible, and spend the time I save by not going on Facebook doing something useful, such as reading books. Why would I want to waste my time on Facebook when I still haven’t read Keats’ Endymion? And when there are seeds to be sown in my own back yard? I don’t want to retreat from nature, I want to reconnect with it. Damn air-conditioning! And if I want to connect with the people around me, I will revert to an old piece of technology. It’s free, it’s easy and it delivers a uniquely individual experience in sharing information: it’s called talking.
Facebook’s privacy policy
Just for fun, try substituting the words ‘Big Brother’ whenever you read the word ‘Facebook’
1 We will advertise at you
“When you use Facebook, you may set up your personal profile, form relationships, send messages, perform searches and queries, form groups, set up events, add applications, and transmit information through various channels. We collect this information so that we can provide you the service and offer personalized features.”
2 You can’t delete anything
“When you update information, we usually keep a backup copy of the prior version for a reasonable period of time to enable reversion to the prior version of that information.”
3 Anyone can glance at your intimate confessions
“… we cannot and do not guarantee that user content you post on the site will not be viewed by unauthorized persons. We are not responsible for circumvention of any privacy settings or security measures contained on the site. You understand and acknowledge that, even after removal, copies of user content may remain viewable in cached and archived pages or if other users have copied or stored your user content.”
4 Our marketing profile of you will be unbeatable
“Facebook may also collect information about you from other sources, such as newspapers, blogs, instant messaging services, and other users of the Facebook service through the operation of the service (eg, photo tags) in order to provide you with more useful information and a more personalized experience.”
5 Opting out doesn’t mean opting out
“Facebook reserves the right to send you notices about your account even if you opt out of all voluntary email notifications.”
6 The CIA may look at the stuff when they feel like it
“By using Facebook, you are consenting to have your personal data transferred to and processed in the United States … We may be required to disclose user information pursuant to lawful requests, such as subpoenas or court orders, or in compliance with applicable laws. We do not reveal information until we have a good faith belief that an information request by law enforcement or private litigants meets applicable legal standards. Additionally, we may share account or other information when we believe it is necessary to comply with law, to protect our interests or property, to prevent fraud or other illegal activity perpetrated through the Facebook service or using the Facebook name, or to prevent imminent bodily harm. This may include sharing information with other companies, lawyers, agents or government agencies.”
© Guardian News and Media Limited 2008
The following correction was printed in the Guardian’s Corrections and clarifications column, Wednesday January 16 2008 The US intelligence community’s enthusiasm for hi-tech innovation after 9/11 and the creation of In-Q-Tel, its venture capital fund, in 1999 were anachronistically linked in the article above. Since 9/11 happened in 2001 it could not have led to the setting up of In-Q-Tel two years earlier.
Published on Thursday, January 17, 2008 by the Guardian/UK
With Friends Like These …
Facebook has 59 million users - and 2 million new ones join each week. But you won’t catch Tom Hodgkinson volunteering his personal information - not now that he knows the politics of the people behind the social networking site.
by Tom Hodgkinson
I despise Facebook. This enormously successful American business describes itself as “a social utility that connects you with the people around you”. But hang on. Why on God’s earth would I need a computer to connect with the people around me? Why should my relationships be mediated through the imagination of a bunch of supergeeks in California? What was wrong with the pub?
And does Facebook really connect people? Doesn’t it rather disconnect us, since instead of doing something enjoyable such as talking and eating and dancing and drinking with my friends, I am merely sending them little ungrammatical notes and amusing photos in cyberspace, while chained to my desk? A friend of mine recently told me that he had spent a Saturday night at home alone on Facebook, drinking at his desk. What a gloomy image. Far from connecting us, Facebook actually isolates us at our workstations.
Facebook appeals to a kind of vanity and self-importance in us, too. If I put up a flattering picture of myself with a list of my favourite things, I can construct an artificial representation of who I am in order to get sex or approval. (”I like Facebook,” said another friend. “I got a shag out of it.”) It also encourages a disturbing competitiveness around friendship: it seems that with friends today, quality counts for nothing and quantity is king. The more friends you have, the better you are. You are “popular”, in the sense much loved in American high schools. Witness the cover line on Dennis Publishing’s new Facebook magazine: “How To Double Your Friends List.”
It seems, though, that I am very much alone in my hostility. At the time of writing Facebook claims 59 million active users, including 7 million in the UK, Facebook’s third-biggest customer after the US and Canada. That’s 59 million suckers, all of whom have volunteered their ID card information and consumer preferences to an American business they know nothing about. Right now, 2 million new people join each week. At the present rate of growth, Facebook will have more than 200 million active users by this time next year. And I would predict that, if anything, its rate of growth will accelerate over the coming months. As its spokesman Chris Hughes says: “It’s embedded itself to an extent where it’s hard to get rid of.”
All of the above would have been enough to make me reject Facebook for ever. But there are more reasons to hate it. Many more.
Facebook is a well-funded project, and the people behind the funding, a group of Silicon Valley venture capitalists, have a clearly thought out ideology that they are hoping to spread around the world. Facebook is one manifestation of this ideology. Like PayPal before it, it is a social experiment, an expression of a particular kind of neoconservative libertarianism. On Facebook, you can be free to be who you want to be, as long as you don’t mind being bombarded by adverts for the world’s biggest brands. As with PayPal, national boundaries are a thing of the past.
Although the project was initially conceived by media cover star Mark Zuckerberg, the real face behind Facebook is the 40-year-old Silicon Valley venture capitalist and futurist philosopher Peter Thiel. There are only three board members on Facebook, and they are Thiel, Zuckerberg and a third investor called Jim Breyer from a venture capital firm called Accel Partners (more on him later). Thiel invested $500,000 in Facebook when Harvard students Zuckerberg, Chris Hughes and Dustin Moskowitz went to meet him in San Francisco in June 2004, soon after they had launched the site. Thiel now reportedly owns 7% of Facebook, which, at Facebook’s current valuation of $15bn, would be worth more than $1bn. There is much debate on who exactly were the original co-founders of Facebook, but whoever they were, Zuckerberg is the only one left on the board, although Hughes and Moskowitz still work for the company.
Thiel is widely regarded in Silicon Valley and in the US venture capital scene as a libertarian genius. He is the co-founder and CEO of the virtual banking system PayPal, which he sold to Ebay for $1.5bn, taking $55m for himself. He also runs a £3bn hedge fund called Clarium Capital Management and a venture capital fund called Founders Fund. Bloomberg Markets magazine recently called him “one of the most successful hedge fund managers in the country”. He has made money by betting on rising oil prices and by correctly predicting that the dollar would weaken. He and his absurdly wealthy Silicon Valley mates have recently been labelled “The PayPal Mafia” by Fortune magazine, whose reporter also observed that Thiel has a uniformed butler and a $500,000 McLaren supercar. Thiel is also a chess master and intensely competitive. He has been known to sweep the chessmen off the table in a fury when losing. And he does not apologise for this hyper-competitveness, saying: “Show me a good loser and I’ll show you a loser.”
But Thiel is more than just a clever and avaricious capitalist. He is a futurist philosopher and neocon activist. A philosophy graduate from Stanford, in 1998 he co-wrote a book called The Diversity Myth, which is a detailed attack on liberalism and the multiculturalist ideology that dominated Stanford. He claimed that the “multiculture” led to a lessening of individual freedoms. While a student at Stanford, Thiel founded a rightwing journal, still up and running, called The Stanford Review - motto: Fiat Lux (”Let there be light”). Thiel is a member of TheVanguard.Org, an internet-based neoconservative pressure group that was set up to attack MoveOn.org, a liberal pressure group that works on the web. Thiel calls himself “way libertarian”.
TheVanguard is run by one Rod D Martin, a philosopher-capitalist whom Thiel greatly admires. On the site, Thiel says: “Rod is one of our nation’s leading minds in the creation of new and needed ideas for public policy. He possesses a more complete understanding of America than most executives have of their own businesses.”
This little taster from their website will give you an idea of their vision for the world: “TheVanguard.Org is an online community of Americans who believe in conservative values, the free market and limited government as the best means to bring hope and ever-increasing opportunity to everyone, especially the poorest among us.” Their aim is to promote policies that will “reshape America and the globe”. TheVanguard describes its politics as “Reaganite/Thatcherite”. The chairman’s message says: “Today we’ll teach MoveOn [the liberal website], Hillary and the leftwing media some lessons they never imagined.”
So, Thiel’s politics are not in doubt. What about his philosophy? I listened to a podcast of an address Thiel gave about his ideas for the future. His philosophy, briefly, is this: since the 17th century, certain enlightened thinkers have been taking the world away from the old-fashioned nature-bound life, and here he quotes Thomas Hobbes’ famous characterization of life as “nasty, brutish and short”, and towards a new virtual world where we have conquered nature. Value now exists in imaginary things. Thiel says that PayPal was motivated by this belief: that you can find value not in real manufactured objects, but in the relations between human beings. PayPal was a way of moving money around the world with no restriction. Bloomberg Markets puts it like this: “For Thiel, PayPal was all about freedom: it would enable people to skirt currency controls and move money around the globe.”
Clearly, Facebook is another uber-capitalist experiment: can you make money out of friendship? Can you create communities free of national boundaries - and then sell Coca-Cola to them? Facebook is profoundly uncreative. It makes nothing at all. It simply mediates in relationships that were happening anyway.
Thiel’s philosophical mentor is one René Girard of Stanford University, proponent of a theory of human behavior called mimetic desire. Girard reckons that people are essentially sheep-like and will copy one another without much reflection. The theory would also seem to be proved correct in the case of Thiel’s virtual worlds: the desired object is irrelevant; all you need to know is that human beings will tend to move in flocks. Hence financial bubbles. Hence the enormous popularity of Facebook. Girard is a regular at Thiel’s intellectual soirees. What you don’t hear about in Thiel’s philosophy, by the way, are old-fashioned real-world concepts such as art, beauty, love, pleasure and truth.
The internet is immensely appealing to neocons such as Thiel because it promises a certain sort of freedom in human relations and in business, freedom from pesky national laws, national boundaries and suchlike. The internet opens up a world of free trade and laissez-faire expansion. Thiel also seems to approve of offshore tax havens, and claims that 40% of the world’s wealth resides in places such as Vanuatu, the Cayman Islands, Monaco and Barbados. I think it’s fair to say that Thiel, like Rupert Murdoch, is against tax. He also likes the globalization of digital culture because it makes the banking overlords hard to attack: “You can’t have a workers’ revolution to take over a bank if the bank is in Vanuatu,” he says.
If life in the past was nasty, brutish and short, then in the future Thiel wants to make it much longer, and to this end he has also invested in a firm that is exploring life-extension technologies. He has pledged £3.5m to a Cambridge-based gerontologist called Aubrey de Grey, who is searching for the key to immortality. Thiel is also on the board of advisers of something called the Singularity Institute for Artificial Intelligence. From its fantastical website, the following: “The Singularity is the technological creation of smarter-than-human intelligence. There are several technologies … heading in this direction … Artificial Intelligence … direct brain-computer interfaces … genetic engineering … different technologies which, if they reached a threshold level of sophistication, would enable the creation of smarter-than-human intelligence.”
So by his own admission, Thiel is trying to destroy the real world, which he also calls “nature”, and install a virtual world in its place, and it is in this context that we must view the rise of Facebook. Facebook is a deliberate experiment in global manipulation, and Thiel is a bright young thing in the neoconservative pantheon, with a penchant for far-out techno-utopian fantasies. Not someone I want to help get any richer.
The third board member of Facebook is Jim Breyer. He is a partner in the venture capital firm Accel Partners, who put $12.7m into Facebook in April 2005. On the board of such US giants as Wal-Mart and Marvel Entertainment, he is also a former chairman of the National Venture Capital Association (NVCA). Now these are the people who are really making things happen in America, because they invest in the new young talent, the Zuckerbergs and the like. Facebook’s most recent round of funding was led by a company called Greylock Venture Capital, who put in the sum of $27.5m. One of Greylock’s senior partners is called Howard Cox, another former chairman of the NVCA, who is also on the board of In-Q-Tel. What’s In-Q-Tel? Well, believe it or not (and check out their website), this is the venture-capital wing of the CIA. After 9/11, the US intelligence community became so excited by the possibilities of new technology and the innovations being made in the private sector, that in 1999 they set up their own venture capital fund, In-Q-Tel, which “identifies and partners with companies developing cutting-edge technologies to help deliver these solutions to the Central Intelligence Agency and the broader US Intelligence Community (IC) to further their missions”.
The US defense department and the CIA love technology because it makes spying easier. “We need to find new ways to deter new adversaries,” defence secretary Donald Rumsfeld said in 2003. “We need to make the leap into the information age, which is the critical foundation of our transformation efforts.” In-Q-Tel’s first chairman was Gilman Louie, who served on the board of the NVCA with Breyer. Another key figure in the In-Q-Tel team is Anita K Jones, former director of defence research and engineering for the US department of defence, and - with Breyer - board member of BBN Technologies. When she left the US department of defence, Senator Chuck Robb paid her the following tribute: “She brought the technology and operational military communities together to design detailed plans to sustain US dominance on the battlefield into the next century.”
Now even if you don’t buy the idea that Facebook is some kind of extension of the American imperialist program crossed with a massive information-gathering tool, there is no way of denying that as a business, it is pure mega-genius. Some net nerds have suggested that its $15bn valuation is excessive, but I would argue that if anything that is too modest. Its scale really is dizzying, and the potential for growth is virtually limitless. “We want everyone to be able to use Facebook,” says the impersonal voice of Big Brother on the website. I’ll bet they do. It is Facebook’s enormous potential that led Microsoft to buy 1.6% for $240m. A recent rumor says that Asian investor Lee Ka-Shing, said to be the ninth richest man in the world, has bought 0.4% of Facebook for $60m.
The creators of the site need do very little bar fiddle with the program. In the main, they simply sit back and watch as millions of Facebook addicts voluntarily upload their ID details, photographs and lists of their favorite consumer objects. Once in receipt of this vast database of human beings, Facebook then simply has to sell the information back to advertisers, or, as Zuckerberg puts it in a recent blog post, “to try to help people share information with their friends about things they do on the web”. And indeed, this is precisely what’s happening. On November 6 last year, Facebook announced that 12 global brands had climbed on board. They included Coca-Cola, Blockbuster, Verizon, Sony Pictures and Condé Nast. All trained in marketing bullshit of the highest order, their representatives made excited comments along the following lines:
“With Facebook Ads, our brands can become a part of the way users communicate and interact on Facebook,” said Carol Kruse, vice president, global interactive marketing, the Coca-Cola Company.
“We view this as an innovative way to cultivate relationships with millions of Facebook users by enabling them to interact with Blockbuster in convenient, relevant and entertaining ways,” said Jim Keyes, Blockbuster chairman and CEO. “This is beyond creating advertising impressions. This is about Blockbuster participating in the community of the consumer so that, in return, consumers feel motivated to share the benefits of our brand with their friends.”
“Share” is Facebookspeak for “advertise”. Sign up to Facebook and you become a free walking, talking advert for Blockbuster or Coke, extolling the virtues of these brands to your friends. We are seeing the commodification of human relationships, the extraction of capitalistic value from friendships.
Now, by comparision with Facebook, newspapers, for example, begin to look hopelessly outdated as a business model. A newspaper sells advertising space to businesses looking to sell stuff to their readers. But the system is far less sophisticated than Facebook for two reasons. One is that newspapers have to put up with the irksome expense of paying journalists to provide the content. Facebook gets its content for free. The other is that Facebook can target advertising with far greater precision than a newspaper. Admit on Facebook that your favorite film is This Is Spinal Tap, and when a Spinal Tap-esque movie comes out, you can be sure that they’ll be sending ads your way.
It’s true that Facebook recently got into hot water with its Beacon advertising program. Users were notified that one of their friends had made a purchase at certain online shops; 46,000 users felt that this level of advertising was intrusive, and signed a petition called “Facebook! Stop invading my privacy!” to say so. Zuckerberg apologized on his company blog. He has written that they have now changed the system from “opt-out” to “opt-in”. But I suspect that this little rebellion about being so ruthlessly commodified will soon be forgotten: after all, there was a national outcry by the civil liberties movement when the idea of a police force was mooted in the UK in the mid 19th century.
Futhermore, have you Facebook users ever actually read the privacy policy? It tells you that you don’t have much privacy. Facebook pretends to be about freedom, but isn’t it really more like an ideologically motivated virtual totalitarian regime with a population that will very soon exceed the UK’s? Thiel and the rest have created their own country, a country of consumers.
Now, you may, like Thiel and the other new masters of the cyberverse, find this social experiment tremendously exciting. Here at last is the Enlightenment state longed for since the Puritans of the 17th century sailed away to North America, a world where everyone is free to express themselves as they please, according to who is watching. National boundaries are a thing of the past and everyone cavorts together in freewheeling virtual space. Nature has been conquered through man’s boundless ingenuity. Yes, and you may decide to send genius investor Thiel all your money, and certainly you’ll be waiting impatiently for the public flotation of the unstoppable Facebook.
Or you might reflect that you don’t really want to be part of this heavily-funded program to create an arid global virtual republic, where your own self and your relationships with your friends are converted into commodities on sale to giant global brands. You may decide that you don’t want to be part of this takeover bid for the world.
For my own part, I am going to retreat from the whole thing, remain as unplugged as possible, and spend the time I save by not going on Facebook doing something useful, such as reading books. Why would I want to waste my time on Facebook when I still haven’t read Keats’ Endymion? And when there are seeds to be sown in my own back yard? I don’t want to retreat from nature, I want to reconnect with it. Damn air-conditioning! And if I want to connect with the people around me, I will revert to an old piece of technology. It’s free, it’s easy and it delivers a uniquely individual experience in sharing information: it’s called talking.
Facebook’s privacy policy
Just for fun, try substituting the words ‘Big Brother’ whenever you read the word ‘Facebook’
1 We will advertise at you
“When you use Facebook, you may set up your personal profile, form relationships, send messages, perform searches and queries, form groups, set up events, add applications, and transmit information through various channels. We collect this information so that we can provide you the service and offer personalized features.”
2 You can’t delete anything
“When you update information, we usually keep a backup copy of the prior version for a reasonable period of time to enable reversion to the prior version of that information.”
3 Anyone can glance at your intimate confessions
“… we cannot and do not guarantee that user content you post on the site will not be viewed by unauthorized persons. We are not responsible for circumvention of any privacy settings or security measures contained on the site. You understand and acknowledge that, even after removal, copies of user content may remain viewable in cached and archived pages or if other users have copied or stored your user content.”
4 Our marketing profile of you will be unbeatable
“Facebook may also collect information about you from other sources, such as newspapers, blogs, instant messaging services, and other users of the Facebook service through the operation of the service (eg, photo tags) in order to provide you with more useful information and a more personalized experience.”
5 Opting out doesn’t mean opting out
“Facebook reserves the right to send you notices about your account even if you opt out of all voluntary email notifications.”
6 The CIA may look at the stuff when they feel like it
“By using Facebook, you are consenting to have your personal data transferred to and processed in the United States … We may be required to disclose user information pursuant to lawful requests, such as subpoenas or court orders, or in compliance with applicable laws. We do not reveal information until we have a good faith belief that an information request by law enforcement or private litigants meets applicable legal standards. Additionally, we may share account or other information when we believe it is necessary to comply with law, to protect our interests or property, to prevent fraud or other illegal activity perpetrated through the Facebook service or using the Facebook name, or to prevent imminent bodily harm. This may include sharing information with other companies, lawyers, agents or government agencies.”
© Guardian News and Media Limited 2008
The following correction was printed in the Guardian’s Corrections and clarifications column, Wednesday January 16 2008 The US intelligence community’s enthusiasm for hi-tech innovation after 9/11 and the creation of In-Q-Tel, its venture capital fund, in 1999 were anachronistically linked in the article above. Since 9/11 happened in 2001 it could not have led to the setting up of In-Q-Tel two years earlier.
Advertisement
Advertisement
-
Re: The Neocons Who Own Facebook
Thu, January 17, 2008 - 8:34 PMYou gotta be fucking kidding me. So facebook is owned by a libertarian who believes in individual freedom and free markets? God forbid! I thought for sure it must be owned by good, decent communists. What a fucking joke!
-
Re: The Neocons Who Own Facebook
Thu, January 17, 2008 - 8:45 PMhmm doesn't facebook sound like tribe?
OMG I have 500 plus friends...I am popular...wow am I better? Fuck this guy truly has a bug up his thongs.
Hey I can see how many things on the internet can serve as spying stuff...but the rest of the article leaves a lot to the imagination...I have yet to see people do things for free these days....granted somethings on the surface are free, by the get Ads so viewers can enjoy the free benefits...
-
-
Re: The Neocons Who Own Facebook
Fri, January 18, 2008 - 5:41 PMHey Ro, I've been teaching my neighbors (and others) to snowboard for free season (and it costs me gas to get up there and back). Plus loaning my spare gear and extra boards to ride!
I donate hats to the local headstart for the kids who don't have warm winter hats.
I send a box here and there to elementary schools that ask. And homeless shelters. Not even tax deductible.
It ain't always about making money, so yeah there are some of us out here that are doing things for free!!! It may be just small stuff but it makes a little ripple in the pond I hope.
Though I doubt it would be considered altruistic because I feel good about doing that and that is my benefit....lol -
-
Re: The Neocons Who Own Facebook
Sat, January 19, 2008 - 8:27 PMSeal...I also do a lot of things for free...what I was refering to was companies in general...and there is nothing wrong with charging. Some one has to make a living...
-
-
-
-
Re: The Neocons Who Own Facebook
Sat, January 19, 2008 - 8:21 AMFacebook is just horrible. Concept. Find everyone you ever knew.. add them to a list.. Then have boring and fruiteless conversations with them. Facebook sells everyones privacy for a buck. Personally i prefere good old socialism. Solidarity.
See when such places starts to be owned by corporations, then people civil rights are at danger. Money people has no ethics, no ideals. It,s all about them and how much money they can make. You are just an product.
-
-
Re: The Neocons Who Own Facebook
Sat, January 19, 2008 - 8:26 AMOMG the corporations are corporationey! Fuck socialism. If you don't like the product, don't use it. If facebook can make money without me having to pay anything, all the better. You are only a product if you define yourself as such. -
-
Re: The Neocons Who Own Facebook
Sun, January 20, 2008 - 11:13 PMOf course, Ro! I was just nudging you on that generalized statement! Yeah, the corporations don't seem to do anything for free...it's all about increasing profit at the expense of anything/anybody. Naomi Klein's book "Disaster Capitalism" covers that quite well...
And yes one has to make a living. I charge for the products I make. I also donate like you do when I have the opportunity to do so.
Jon: "fuck socialism?" Really? Guess you don't like fire departments or road repair or water systems so you can turn on the tap? Possibly you're in favor of privitizing all public services? Want to pay per ounce for water flushed down your toilet? Per pothole fixed in your street? Per byte going over this internet site? Per pound for the garbage you put out on the curb each week? How's your medical coverage, deductions, copays, pre-existing etc etc? Our Congress & all the elected politicians in DC are on life-long socialized medical plans; and I'll bet they get a LOT better care than you do and they don't pay for it. We do. Get elected for two years to public office and get a lifetime medical plan. We pay their bills and get told that "socialized medicine" is bad for america!!! Bwaaahhahahah! That's freaking hilarious!
And if you haven't noticed, you (and everyone else) seemed to be defined as a consumer, not a citizen. Used to be that we were called citizens. There's something quite ominous in that I fear. Capitalism (and Facebook's owner's ideology) is based on ever-expanding profit off of any kind of product, and on the planetary resources to make those products. Which unfortunately are finite and will run out, be exhausted, go dry, belly up, no mas.
Opps. Maybe not such a good idea?
Anyway, Facebook sucks, their ideology sucks, and they use people like a pimp to push their "products" and mostly people are too ignorant to see how they are being manipulated. I'm glad you don't define yourself that way. Wish others were as intelligent.
-
-
Re: The Neocons Who Own Facebook
Tue, January 22, 2008 - 5:59 PM"Yeah, the corporations don't seem to do anything for free...it's all about increasing profit at the expense of anything/anybody."
Increasing profit at everyone's expense? Talk about generalizations. See, the way a free market works is that different companies compete with one another for customers, often by trying to provide better products at lower prices. Greater competition means lower prices and better goods and services.
"Jon: "fuck socialism?" Really? Guess you don't like fire departments or road repair or water systems so you can turn on the tap? Possibly you're in favor of privitizing all public services? Want to pay per ounce for water flushed down your toilet? Per pothole fixed in your street? Per byte going over this internet site? Per pound for the garbage you put out on the curb each week? How's your medical coverage, deductions, copays, pre-existing etc etc? Our Congress & all the elected politicians in DC are on life-long socialized medical plans; and I'll bet they get a LOT better care than you do and they don't pay for it. We do. Get elected for two years to public office and get a lifetime medical plan. We pay their bills and get told that "socialized medicine" is bad for america!!! Bwaaahhahahah! That's freaking hilarious!"
I see... So if I'm against socialism I have to be against any and all government services. Have you ever heard of the fallacy of the excluded middle? You might want to look into it. I say fuck socialism because command economies never work. Government may step in for situations where the market is insufficient to provide basic services, but such cases are few and far between.
"And if you haven't noticed, you (and everyone else) seemed to be defined as a consumer, not a citizen. Used to be that we were called citizens. There's something quite ominous in that I fear. Capitalism (and Facebook's owner's ideology) is based on ever-expanding profit off of any kind of product, and on the planetary resources to make those products. Which unfortunately are finite and will run out, be exhausted, go dry, belly up, no mas."
Capitalism is based on private ownership of the means of production, and the free exchange of goods and services within that paradigm. The free market the most efficient method for attaining the optimum distribution of goods and services, given the proper distribution of natural resources. Obviously, those resources are not currently well distributed, which is why I'm not defending capitalism as it currently stands. We need a better system for distribution of land and natural resources, which is why I'm a Georgist(en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgism). So fuck socialism and fuck capitalism. Quit seeing the world in black and white.
"Anyway, Facebook sucks, their ideology sucks, and they use people like a pimp to push their "products" and mostly people are too ignorant to see how they are being manipulated. I'm glad you don't define yourself that way. Wish others were as intelligent."
What products are they pushing, exactly? I have NEVER bought anything off of facebook, and don't know anyone who has. If your problem is that they have advertising, then why are you posting on tribe. If your problem is that the owner has different ideas than you, then I'm sorry you have such a closed mind. Have you even looked at facebook? I doubt you'd characterize it as "pushing and pimping products" if you had any familiarity with it at all. -
-
Re: The Neocons Who Own Facebook
Wed, January 23, 2008 - 1:59 AMJon, I assume there is no reason in pointing out a huge bunch of facts & figures to you as you've already drank the corporations "free market" kool-aid. But I will just throw a couple of things out.
Talk about generalizations, you stick a bunch of those in. Lower prices & better goods...you mean poison toothpaste and toxic fish and children's toys that are covered in lead? Oh yeah, those better products caused by rampant capitalist/corporations that run from downtrodden dictatorship to dictatorship trying to find the cheapest laborers in existence. And I'm sure we all can walk into all these stores and see the wide variety of products from...the same chinese factory that "employ" 10 year old slave girls...but they have different labels on them so they must be "different," right? That certainly does give us lower prices I must admit.
Of course we've had 27 years of deregulating the corporations...Old Alzheimer Reagan started that and since then they have had a merger-frenzy for years so there are actually fewer and fewer that don't have interlocking boards of directors. Five corporations own almost ALL the media in this country now. Your so-called free market means they can buy up the rest I guess...Then of course the politicians who are beholden to these same people for campaign funding turn around and de-fund the watchdog agencies who're supposed to protect us from the kinds of people who put profit in front of safety. That certainly makes cents(sense), doesn't it?
Free market...like subsidized oil & tobacco & corn & sugar & damn near everything else in this country that has a wealthy lobbyist with connections in DC. Free markets mean the Forest Service sells our national parks to timber companies cheaper than it costs the FS to build & maintain the roads for them to get the timber out. That's pretty free, eh? At least for the corporations.
In a free market there would be zero nuclear plants, not one would ever have gotten built because the private insurance companies will NOT insure them. Ever. So it's done by the government instead. Opps. Socialized insurance for nuke plants??? Holy smoke, batman! That's not a free market! In a free market if they couldn't be insured they wouldn't exist, right?
There isn't a FREE MARKET Jon. It's a fantasy, a smokescreen, an ideological illusion. Follow the money, the subsidies, the earmarks, the tax breaks, tax deferments, etc etc etc and you'll find that corporations have cornered the market so to speak...pun intended. And lest we forget, add in all of those wonderful no-bid contracts that have just proliferated over the last 7 years that are sucking the wind right out of this country's sails! Opps, robber barons, the Guilded Age, disaster capitalism, take your pick it's all the same.
Free market capitalism. That's just too funny. We're far beyond free market capitalism. Way far beyond... This feels more like the Corporate Twilight Zone.
And yes Jon I have looked at Facebook, have friends that have sites there, and no I'm not interested in it at all. Tribe has enough commercial activity that I don't feel the need to include more in my life. -
-
Re: The Neocons Who Own Facebook
Wed, January 23, 2008 - 9:31 AM"Talk about generalizations, you stick a bunch of those in. Lower prices & better goods...you mean poison toothpaste and toxic fish and children's toys that are covered in lead?"
Did you notice that I used the word "often" rather than always? See, unlike you, I don't think in absolutes, which is why I WASN'T making a generalization. Obviously consumers can't always be completely informed about everything, which is why we have consumer protection laws. I have never said that I oppose such laws.
"Of course we've had 27 years of deregulating the corporations...Old Alzheimer Reagan started that and since then they have had a merger-frenzy for years so there are actually fewer and fewer that don't have interlocking boards of directors. Five corporations own almost ALL the media in this country now. Your so-called free market means they can buy up the rest I guess...Then of course the politicians who are beholden to these same people for campaign funding turn around and de-fund the watchdog agencies who're supposed to protect us from the kinds of people who put profit in front of safety. That certainly makes cents(sense), doesn't it?"
I already pointed out that the free market was beneficial when it produced competition, not monopoly. However, as Winston Churchill pointed out, land monopoly is the mother of all other monopolies, which is why, like Churchill, I support the ideas of Henry George for stopping land monopoly. Even with such a system in place, I still see a role for anti-trust laws.
"Free market...like subsidized oil & tobacco & corn & sugar & damn near everything else in this country that has a wealthy lobbyist with connections in DC. Free markets mean the Forest Service sells our national parks to timber companies cheaper than it costs the FS to build & maintain the roads for them to get the timber out. That's pretty free, eh? At least for the corporations."
WTF is wrong with you? All I pointed out was the fact that the free market is the most efficient mechanism for distributing goods and services. Why do you assume based on that statement that I support every current policy of the US government, even those things that are clearly NOT characteristic of a free market? Grow up.
"In a free market there would be zero nuclear plants, not one would ever have gotten built because the private insurance companies will NOT insure them. Ever. So it's done by the government instead. Opps. Socialized insurance for nuke plants??? Holy smoke, batman! That's not a free market! In a free market if they couldn't be insured they wouldn't exist, right? "
Part of the reason why I oppose nuclear energy. Wind power and geothermal are much more efficient, and don't produce radioactive waste.
"There isn't a FREE MARKET Jon. It's a fantasy, a smokescreen, an ideological illusion. Follow the money, the subsidies, the earmarks, the tax breaks, tax deferments, etc etc etc and you'll find that corporations have cornered the market so to speak...pun intended. And lest we forget, add in all of those wonderful no-bid contracts that have just proliferated over the last 7 years that are sucking the wind right out of this country's sails! Opps, robber barons, the Guilded Age, disaster capitalism, take your pick it's all the same."
You think I'm not aware of these things? Nowhere did I say that the market was completely free(nor would I want it to be). And I never said that I support any of these practices you mention. Apparently, based on the fact that I pointed out how markets can efficiently distribute goods and servces, and the fact that I don't like waiting in a bread line, you seem to have somehow got a picture of me as a beer-bellied NASCAR-watching flag-waving jingoist who mindlessly chants "USA! USA! USA!" Grow the fuck up.
Enjoy your kool-aid.
-
-
-
-
-
Re: The Neocons Who Own Facebook
Sat, January 19, 2008 - 8:38 AMHell...I can have boring and fruitless conversations with people, in-person. And, in this society, expectations of "privacy" are somewhat silly. There is no such thing. -
-
Re: The Neocons Who Own Facebook
Mon, January 21, 2008 - 2:27 PMno one is twisting their arms to join facebook. if they are lemmings, let them be lemmings. what the hell is tribe??? anyone? anyone? same thing. different venue.
tribe networks, the company behind tribe.net, is privately owned, financed largely with venture capital. (hey, that's just like facebook) Tribe has partnered with the Washington Post and Knight Ridder.
tribe.net hired a CEO who was a regular Christian churchgoer, and somewhat socially conservative.
tribe.net's current CEO and co-founder, Mark Pincus, holds an MBA from Harvard Business School.
you know harvard. that evil imperialist institution?
Mark Pinkus founded freeloader, support.com and tribe.net as well as providing seed capital for napster, friendster, the facebook, technorati, brightmail and others...
cracks me up to hear posters slamming VC's on tribe.net when tribe.net's seed money came from the very VC's that they are slamming.
i'll keep our society based on capitalism. those silly cubans, mexicans, and germans, and many others, who risk(ed) their lives to come here, should tell you something about socialism. it never worked but only in the mind of idealists that were sleeping during history class. i know someone who knows someone who has a chunk of the berlin wall. remind me why they tore that wall down??? remind me why hundreds of east berliners were shot trying to cross the berlin wall to get to the non-communist west side?
that was less than 20 years ago. seems like a lifetime.
bueller? bueller? -
-
Unsu...
Re: The Neocons Who Own Facebook
Tue, January 22, 2008 - 3:47 PMI just recently (last week) joined Facebook after much foot-dragging, because it was the only way to keep up with some friends who had left Tribe. I found that if you are careful and if you always try to get out of any dead-end you find yourself in during the registration process by just closing the window first, you can avoid giving them a whole lot of the stuff they want. Most of it, in fact. You don't actually have to use your real name during sign-up; they ask for it but don't verify it. You have to be careful to not use their "OK now ask your friends to join" feature because it lets them into your address book on your computer - and why would anybody legitimately want to go there? Just keeping checking "skip this step". When you confirm a friend request, they pop up a long list of ways that you might have come to know this person and you're supposed to choose one -- I found that creepiest of everything so far. But you can choose to skip that step. But if one of your friends does do that step, they'll come back to you and say "She says she knows you through so-and-so, can you confirm that?" And you can just click ignore on that too. You must ignore the dozens and dozens of requests and ridiculous little gamey things that come your way from your friends on the site - because to respond means you must agree that that same app will now be on your page too, and these things track you. I'm sure I'll quickly gain a reputation as a surly non-player there. But I've never seen so much silly stuff, it reminds me of six-year-olds playing paper dolls. You're supposed to send and receive nominations for all kinds of things, good karma, feed people to vampires, send them little fake "gifts" (which cost $1 each!), tip cows together -- whatever the heck that means -- "poke" them -- whatever the heck that means. I can't find out what most of these things mean because to respond I have to sign up blind to the app. Can't find out a thing about it until I've put it on my page. I've never seen anything so stupid. I don't even see this kind of stuff on My Space. And I thought Facebook was for adults.
You don't have to give them any list of consumer products. They really don't require any of this and they don't check on things; they're just looking for you to voluntarily give it up under the *impression* that you're supposed to.
BTW - thanks for the investment tips!!!!! That guy knows how to make $, for sure. -
-
Re: The Neocons Who Own Facebook
Tue, January 22, 2008 - 4:56 PMI just got this message from tribe:
You have insufficient privileges to take this action
All I was trying to do was add another addendum to my own blog!
I don't know anything about facebook, nor do I care.
I'm really surprised youtube gets away with what they do.
Google is meant to be owned by some real right-wingers, it depends on who you believe.
-
Re: The Neocons Who Own Facebook
Wed, January 23, 2008 - 10:16 PMLily it sounds like a lot of work...don't know if I want to make my time on a internet group an ongoing process of watching my back...fuck that I'm way too busy and lazy for that -
-
Unsu...
Re: The Neocons Who Own Facebook
Thu, January 24, 2008 - 10:24 AMyeah Rev - that's exactly what it feels like, watching my back. My friends there are important to me but I preferred NING where they don't interfere with you at all. Maybe I can persuade them to go back there in future. -
-
Re: The Neocons Who Own Facebook
Fri, January 25, 2008 - 4:15 AMA MIXED BAG
I have been on facebook these past few day, through the invitation of a tribe user who now appears to like it very much. I say that you must check what you post and how revealing you want to be.
You simply do not give all the info that they want you to and try again to see if it will pass which is trouble.
I do not know yet if the discussion groups are as good, I have come across some interesting posts.
Facebook also sorts you by network (region) and unless the person is in your network, you cannot check details of the profile as you can freely on tribe. They must be sorted by interest for you to get their bio.
I think that the regional network aspect is also provided by tribe though I have not checked it yet nor gotten used to it.
The network aspect is enhanced since you know upon logging what your "friends" have been too.
All and all, it also appears like a huge former friend/classmate gathering site though I had trouble tracking people that way (we are French). There are talks of translating the site.
So the level is lower.
I will try to use it to connect with some of the local people since Facebook is more used and tribe relatively obscure.
Maybe this will teach me to use tribe better for the networking aspect
I have to connect with our regional French network to reach local friends.
It is also a dating site of sorts (though I am not familiar with the format) with people going at it and being silly in a very public manner and since a lot of people are using their real name they are very easy to track. So maybe that is one of the aspects that are criticised.
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
Re: The Neocons Who Own Facebook
Wed, January 23, 2008 - 2:06 AMAm I the only person who no longer spends enough time online to know who owns what, how things operate, or who has to pay for what privileges?
I don't have a facebook profile. I may never have one. Or I might have one. Who knows...
I have a myspace page. I used to use it to promote bands and biker gigs, last year. Now I just keep it because friends know how to reach me there. I use it very little.
I deleted a profile off of another site.
I have this, but only to check my friends schedules and see what's up with the burner community, and post when I feel the need to connect and write.
I don't pay for this stuff.
I really couldn't care less who owned it, I'm not paying for it, it serves my own selfish purposes, and I limit it to that.
Does that make me bad? I really don't care. Just saying.
- Munky -
-
Re: The Neocons Who Own Facebook
Wed, January 23, 2008 - 7:07 PM[Am I the only person who no longer spends enough time online to know who owns what, how things operate, or who has to pay for what privileges? ]
That's pretty much how I look at things, too. I originally got onto MySpace because an artist-friend wanted me to check out his online gallery, and I had read good things about Tribe. I think they're great ways to connect to people, keep in touch with friends who don't live nearby, and I've gotten really into posting and sharing my photos in both places. (RW is great, too.) The advertising is sometimes irritating, and sometimes funny - but I really don't care about the ownership structure.
As long as Tribe and MySpace don't get overly invasive in the privacy department, I'm OK with things ...
Peace to all.
-