New age....honest talk

topic posted Thu, May 8, 2008 - 3:50 PM by 
Let's be honest...the joke on the new agers triggered a lot of emotions.

I have mix emotions myself on the topic...I love and hate new age...

I wonder how many people see new agers as airy faires...or the real deal.

Let's talk.

Rules for enagement...no personal attacks...just sharing opinions...be honest what do you really think of new agers?
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    Thu, May 8, 2008 - 4:10 PM
    I like many of what is termed "new age" philosophy...However it has been around for longer than we think ;-).

    I think with any sects you have people really into it and those that use what they need. Or only get what you need over a weekend/week (retreat type thing-y)

    I find it fascinating stuff... like group conciseness...cosmic soup


    any one hungry ...

    Amy:-)

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      Thu, May 8, 2008 - 6:04 PM
      I also like many things associated with new age...

      the way its made it easy to accept one's intuitive talents, the increase in acceptance of earth based religions and practices.

      the festivals that have grown out of the new age movement is also wonderful

      What I have issues with are the folks who have taken advantage of the innocence involved in newage...and have profitted under the "false" portray of free love and openness...some folks have really taken financial advantage over people's needs for spiritual exploration and need for healing...

      Back in 93 I met a man who forever changed my views on new age. Until then I was pretty naive and completely trusting....

      This man "claimed" to have had a PH.D, to have been a Native American Shaman and 7th generation witch. The fact is this man was never taught shamanism in his life, got all his information from books...and his family were "pure" Sicilian Catholic Italians....when he died the truth came forward like an Avalanche my friends...I knew a bit about this man before he died, cause I met his mom....an Italian Catholic woman who laughed at her son's pagan path, which basically meant that there were no witches in the family other then him....

      He had people convinced he was a Native American Shaman...wrote awesome poetry....and basically was great at fund raising....cause he would weave stories about his village how poor they were etc and how he was raising money to "help" out. Folks this man was also part of the "couple" I met from Portland...as a matter of fact I met them both at the New Life Expo...boy was I a SUCKER!!!

      See they needed me to work with them, cause the fact was I was the only one with a real college degree, certified as a Reiki Master and had tons of other skills and I was an honest and good teacher...I met them and my red flags kept hitting me in my face...but I ignored all the psychic signs...until I went to Portland and saw how slick and slimey they all operated....lying to people and saying stuff just to con folks out of money...I was embarassed and upset that I allowed myself to be part of this....as soon as I returned to NYC....I basically broke ties.

      These folks were good....they knew exactly how to appeal to people's ego...often did readings in which they would say wonderful things about the person..and then say you're stuck and in order to become the powerful man or woman you are you need to do......and it will cost you x amount of dollars...

      Listen I do charge for services...cause I have bills to pay and I am not a shaman being supported by my village with chickens and eggs. But I have strong feelings against the con-artist practices some people have and then disguise them as "new age"

      New age is not about coning people, but about helping them in an honest and grounded manner. I think folks really need to listen to their gut when they encounter someone who makes them feel uncomfortable....cause chances are they are picking up on the con...
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        Thu, May 8, 2008 - 6:10 PM
        Oh yeah...I have been interviewed a lot on tv...throughout the years in Cable shows...I was asked about the folks who con people...I had identified a group publically.

        Oh yes I did....and of course a member of the group approached me in person. And I did not deny what I said....and I turned around and said, well tell me which part of my comment was not true and I will never ever say anything... Silence followed. And then I said...I thought so. You know if the shoe fits...wear it.
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        Fri, May 9, 2008 - 3:25 PM
        But .....con artists have existed long before the 'new age ' movement
        .. they are the 'eternal agers' ready to pick up on ANY trend or
        even better..... anticipating them
        present at all time troughout history, the best ones work in the high seats in all governments
        what have con artists got to do with 'New Age ?
        sure they have infiltrated in this particular movement more then others
        obviously because people are ready for new synthesis of old ways
        and because humans are evolving slowly but surely there is a need for
        fresh pathways
        let's face it .. nothing is really ' new ' or the road had been 'paved' up to a point ..
        still just because there are fundamentalists everywhere
        and those who profits and build their egos upon these 'new' ways
        does it mean that it doesn't happen the same among medical , scientific ,
        religious or other more conventional groups ? I don't think so ...
        so yes it appalles me to be categorised ..
        we have here in the UK in the NHS (National Health) homoepaths , herbalist , acopuncturist ,
        but these doctors are not called new agers .... hell .. !!!!! these are old ways ,people !!!
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          Fri, May 9, 2008 - 8:25 PM
          L...its not new...you're so right.

          We got our con-artist doctors too...with the millions of new pills that promise to give your pecker a better perk...your tits won't sag and your mood either...meantime in the lab one of the pills you are taking has created a mouse to develop a new set of balls...they are hoping its only the males developing this problem
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    Thu, May 8, 2008 - 7:38 PM
    In some circles, I probably come off as a SNAG (sensitive Newage Guy (gay?).
    Then, in others I appear to be a cynic. I hate that label, by the way. If you've read up on Greek philosophy, the cynics were a pretty tough bunch, but I digress (as usual)
    It appears to me (from my selective reading) that a lot of New Age thought borrows a lot from India-and, I hate to say it, but Indian culture is very racist and classist-think untouchables and the like. It also borrows heavily from a lot of late 19th and early 20th century philosophies about "personal responsibility" and self improvement (think Norman Vincent Peale and the "Power of Positive Thinking." I don't resonate well with those things.
    I love Windham Hill music-shamelessly newage, as well as other things. I think astrology is a real good shortcut to figuring people out -and could save months on therapy-even Jung thought it was an effective tool. I like Carl Jung. That, in itself could make me appear as a Newage flake.
    I don't identify with groups or groupthink of any kind. Sometimes I wish I could pigeonhole and compartmentalize my life and say "This is who I am and what I'm about. and not have to think. Alas, such is not the case.
    I think the term New Age, like any can, be a trap for both those defining others and themselves.
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    Thu, May 8, 2008 - 8:03 PM
    Presented sans comment:

    For the negative side, MORE critical than the joke on new agers -this guy is serious: www.watchingyou.com/newage.html

    Put on some DeepForest and it'll be OK, . . . . . .really.
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      Thu, May 8, 2008 - 9:19 PM
      Ok.... You asked for honesty, and I will give it. Some of you may despise me, find me a hateful bitch, pray for me, or just plain find me stupid and unenlightened after this, but I can take it. This is how I feel about 'new age' concepts.

      I am not 'new age' whatsoever. I openly ridicule some of those principles, modalities, lines of thought, etc. I know it's not nice. I don't care. I think it is ridiculous. We have a local rag call Reflections. If you read that and were very needy and fearful, and you partook of the services offered in Reflections, you could be kept busy the rest of your life taking your babies in for cranial therapy, your pets in for meditation and past life counsel, your ass in for colonics and tailbone manipulation (I kid you not, some chiros stick their hand up your ass, grab your tail bone, and shake it, saying this aligns your body and spirit), etc. I have a friend who says he summons archangels at will to protect people's spirits. I have better stories, but you get the point.

      I think it's all crap. My ex's first wife has a regular saying. It's "give it to god". She said that when her second husband wouldn't look for work and their marriage was failing. They were broke, he had no prospects, and he was doing nothing about it. My grandma, a devout and feisty little christian, used to say about such people, "god helps those who help themselves". Not this couple. Their solution was always, "give it to god".

      So you see, I'm an equal opportunity 'hater'. I even have a t-shirt that proudly says "Jesus is dead, believe in yourself".

      I don't know how to best describe my belief system. It is uniquely mine. I know I have concurrent dreams with others. I know I have some amount of premonition and I tend to see things that have happened in the past or will in the future, often with people I've never met but I find out later it was someone important to someone I care about.

      I experience nature in a full-body way. I feel whole and complete in nature and with animals. I love species of all kinds, from humans to insects, etc. I am a vibrant, happy, and engaged person. I thrive in nature's rhythms and I can appreciate principles in almost any cultish group. I consider them all cults, by the way. I don't discriminate.

      And for the most part, I wholly support those who belong to a cult and live their creed. That's an individual choice. If my friends want to get down and arhythmic (sp?) and flail around like Joe Cocker because it makes them feel at one with their inner light, GO FOR IT!

      I draw the line when it becomes a business that preys on innocent, weak, etc. Or it becomes a mass way to control or harm. Or convert. I hate that evangelizing bullshit. Enthusiasm is one thing. Hardcore recruiting and brainwashing is another.

      I believe in few things. One of them is independent thought. Another is the right to believe what you want and hold that sacred, and practice your beliefs in your own mind and body. Beyond that, I believe in love and laughter. And the fact that one day, I'm going to die, and I have no idea what to expect beyond that. And I believe no one else knows, either.

      By the way, I think you are all unique and fabulous, and every one of you should do precisely what makes you happy and fulfilled. I don't judge you for enjoying something I personally find ridiculous. Really. Because you GET to. It's your RIGHT. I just don't have to make it part of my life. And sometimes I take pleasure in laughing at things other people do, just like I laugh at my own ridiculous self.

      Capisce?
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    Thu, May 8, 2008 - 9:59 PM
    Everyone "finds" their SELF in a different way. I tend to do it in a personal, introspective, way. I don't need dances, group therapy, love-fests, religion, astrology, tarot cards, drugs or anything else. I need to walk, alone, in the desert. All of the ceremony and trappings and lingo of what purports to be "new" age, doesn't interest me, in the least.....
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    Thu, May 8, 2008 - 10:04 PM
    Ok, so to explain my thoughts, I'll have to describe my experience. I'm an initiate in a New Age organization called the Rocky Mountain Mystery School. It's headed by a guy named Gudni Gudnason, though he claims to be part of a lineage going back to King Solomon(you can see this supposed lineage here: www.rmmsint.com/lineage_of..._gudnason). If you take a good look at that lineage, which I didn't until about a month or so ago, you'll see several problems, such as Jesus and John the Baptist becoming heads of the mystery school when they're babies, or Paracelsus being head of the mystery school for 158 years. Now, if I had noticed that earlier on, I probably would have cut off all ties to this organization long ago. But it's a bit more complicated now. I've seen the power of the teachings the mystery school offers. I've felt the energy of their healing modalities and rituals. There is something legitimate going on there. So I can't dismiss Gudni or his followers as mere charlatans. It's simply been a lesson for me that even a powerful magician and healer can be corrupt. Ever since I caught his lie, I started going through a crisis as to whether I should stay or go. It's not just the lie itself that bothered me, but the manipulative purpose he uses it for. The lineage is the basis on which he claims that the mystery school's teachings are authentic while others' are illegitimate. That elitism bothers me a great deal more than the deception. I've decided to stick with the path, since it seems to be doing me a lot of good. But there's a part of me that would really like to confront Gudni about this one of these days.

    Anyway, enough about Gudni. Aside from that kind of manipulation, I sometimes get kind of annoyed at the wishy-washy claims of some of these New Age types. I find people who think aliens from the planet Nibiru created humans, or that dolphins are the descendants of the people of Atlantis, or that the earth is really hollow and there's a race of aliens on the inside. Some of them get downright conspiratorial. I had one guy tell me that the remains of this race of 50 ft. giants was discovered in the Arizona desert, and that the Smithsonian put all the evidence on a ship and sank it in the middle of the Atlantic to cover it up. Some of this stuff is even more ridiculous than young earth creationism. Like a college professor once told me, you're entitled to your own opinions, but you're not entitled to your own facts. Sometimes I wonder if I'm being too hard on them. Surely I don't know everything, and I'm certain I must be wrong about some things. I mean, I've experienced some strange things that I never thought could be real, so I try to keep an open mind about others' ideas. But some ideas just stretch the limits of my credulity. I'm a history buff and a fan of science(but not scientism), and I have a certain need for things to make sense, so some of these really kooky ideas get under my skin, as much as I try to ignore it.
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      Thu, May 8, 2008 - 10:12 PM
      Jon, I was Flipper before I was Munky. ;-)

      I know what you mean. Sometimes people come up with some REALLY creative stuff. It would be fun to know the answers.

      What's real?

      Sorry about the Gudni dude. That's gotta be a bit of a conflict. It always is, when it involves leaders. Even just in small business management.
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        Thu, May 8, 2008 - 10:32 PM
        Yeah, the good thing is that Gudni lives far away. I've only met him once, and for the most part just have to deal with his followers and admirers. In fact, I've heard people say such glowing things about him that I wonder if I've judged him too harshly. It makes me want to forget the lies. Sometimes I even wonder if there might be some benevolent reason behind the lies(it's not uncommon in Eastern religions for a guru to tell his followers a "noble lie"). But then I read his writings about the lineage and the authority it grants, and can't help but conclude that it's for selfish reasons. Can a liar be a great person? I dunno. I haven't had the guts to bring this stuff up to those whose lives he's touched.
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          Thu, May 8, 2008 - 10:35 PM
          That sounds sort of like reading the blogs of Jim Baker's followers. People are full of praise because they want so badly to believe. I wouldn't rethink your skepticism. Just saying....
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          Thu, May 8, 2008 - 10:41 PM
          Jon...many assholes are great teachers...

          if you can learn something...take the material and run!!
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            Thu, May 8, 2008 - 10:45 PM
            "if you can learn something...take the material and run!!"

            You read my mind.
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              Thu, May 8, 2008 - 11:36 PM
              i've done that...taken the good out of a bad situation...
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                Fri, May 9, 2008 - 9:45 AM
                I could certainly be termed a "new ager" myself, but the thing is, I was that way even when I was a kid -- I simply had no context to place it in. I do believe there's been an immense opening of energy over past few decades, for the benefit of the world (of humans, anyway), and that people's understanding of what's possible has been greatly enhanced. And I think that's very very good. There are too many limits here, too many things refused, too many minds in denial and fear. For me, the fact that the thing became the equivalent of a fashion trend isn't surprising, or damning. This always happens.

                For me, I never followed anyone because I've always gotten insights directly with no intermediary and that's how I'm used to it. It was years before I heard echoes from others of what I myself had come to understand all on my own, and carried on my own, for decades. It's nice to share powerful visions with others, it's better than carrying them alone.

                Lots of people mean well but are too credulous. Lots are so unknowingly locked into the authoritarian hierarchical system that they simply cannot pay attention to anyone about any matter (no matter how huge their demonstrated knowledge and skill), unless that person has either a lot of framed degrees on their wall, plus a few initials after their name, or at least a claim to distinguished or royal lineage like the Gudni guy (and soooooo many others, ever since reincarnation became talked about -- jeez, the claims, it embarrassed me simply to hear people make them). This mental weakness reflects in many ways. It's a mental weakness, iMO, to assume that having degrees/letters means you're good at what you do, and no one without those degrees/letters is any good at it. It ain't necessarily so -- my own experiences with very dramatic healings have been at the hands of a person you'd never have suspected could do this. But holy smokes, he can!! Unpublicized, unsung, unpaid, and unerring.

                For me, out of the vast pantheon of new age/occult/spirituality topics, much has never appealed, much I find exaggerated or bogus, and I'm sure that for everybody else attracted to any part of it, they too find certain parts they simply don't resonate with at all.

                The practitioners and gurus and channels everyone is talking about here -- some are or were genuine but found they had to do certain things to make a living and may have run up against the wall when they found you can't necessarily do this stuff on a prearranged schedule. So they end up faking, a bit or a lot. Some of course are in it for self-aggrandizement, probably as many as are in it for profit. Many are perfectly sweet and nice local people who've bought into the most recent hot trend and need to make money to pay their hefty initiation and training fees - kind of a pyramid scheme (no pun intended). There have always been fakes and showmen, and of course, there still are.

                What I'd hope is that people not confuse those who claim to be "leaders" with the reality of the underlying energies and divine connections, which IMO are extremely real and valuable. The actual shift and expansion in group mind and awarenesses, the softening of the heart and a bit of relaxing of the bars of our prison here. All of that exists and is helping us. As Jon said, "It's simply been a lesson for me that even a powerful magician and healer can be corrupt." And something I learned long ago -- even an asshole sometimes can say something profound, without meaning to.

                And I think you, Munky, even though you ride a Harley (which some people would immediately hate and denigrate you for--but you already know about that), you sound incredibly and purely and uncorruptedly New Age in your final paragraph, which is so full of acceptance, encouragement, openheartedness and the desire to love and be one. That to me is the real New Age. We're all supposed to realize -- hey, we're fabulous, and so are you, and be swept up in love and union. That's it, for me, and it's great!
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                  Fri, May 9, 2008 - 9:54 AM
                  I also think many folks get turned off by New Age because of a number of things that are separate from "fake" practitioners.

                  As Lily pointed out there are fake folks in everything arena...

                  I've gotten turned of by the number of "expensive" products that have been marketed under the name of new age. Don't get me wrong. I had a shop on Grand stree back in the mid 90's. part of the reason I had the shop was to offer reasonable products...and then I realised that reasonable prices don't pay the bills...soon I realised why folks charged so much. So I closed the shop. I can't see myself charging high prices for crystals or oils,,,in the name of new age.

                  Granted I have ,money issues (guilt)..lol But I still think things shouldn't be so damm expensive
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                    Fri, May 9, 2008 - 10:08 AM
                    I've had some interesting experiences with psychics. Some of them seemed like they were just telling me what I wanted to hear. Some had a few interesting tidbits of information. And with some of them, it was like "How the hell are you doing this?"
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                      Fri, May 9, 2008 - 11:59 AM
                      I miss the 'alternative' world I used to know, though I still have mixed feelings about it.

                      I used to do astrological and tarot readings at a fair every weeked, I still do wacky artwortk I call 'soulwork' though I would be delighted if some of the cards and prints of my work proved to be popular, too.

                      It is thekind of New Ageism that attacks people to whom bad things happen for being victims I have no time for. I saw way too much of that in the 80's where it was said that if you are poor, get cancer, get attacked, end up in a concentration camp. then it is all 'your' fault because ypou must be some kind of a victim.

                      It will be interesting to see how popular current tomes such as The Secret remain if the current recession in some countries deepens with more foreclosures and similar misfortunes.

                      One of the most disturbing experiences I encountererd was at a New Age camp where I saw a woman being beaten up by several others. She was called a 'victim' type for wearing glasses and being Jewish. She was blamed for what happened by the camp organsiers for bringing negative vibes with her. I gather that this was about a quarrel that had been brewing up dfor some time, but that sealed it for me. There already seemed to me to be a little too much happening that was a little too close to Lord of the Flies for my liking.

                      I had already been very disturbed, howeverr, by what seemd to me to be a virtually Manichaean denigration of the Feminine in a lot of astrological thought. It is less noticeable nowadays, as there is less reference to the kind of channelled thought furnishing the way astrologers thought earlier on - however, there is still more of it around that I feel comfortable with so for that reaon, would still be leery about getting involved with the astrological community too closely again. I did get involved with a group of light workers all working towards creating a Better World in the eighties, but it became clear to me that if you did not follow the party line regarding the chanelled wisdom of some of its gurus, then you were either hounded over it, or you were Out. It just seemed to me that here was a kind of fanaticism worse than anything I could have encountered in a born-agan church, it seemed to me, ultimately.

                      There is still a lot I miss, but at least I do know what to avoid now and what hopefully are more worthwhile avenues for fidning this alternative world in.
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                        Fri, May 9, 2008 - 8:23 PM
                        Nexus...that's what I'm talking about...the so-call blame the victim bullshit....since the victim had bad victims bad things happen...blew me. Sorry. thta nonsense bites my fanny

                        i like being able to chill out and do my thing, no pretentious labels...just fun doing readings...astrology...etc. No need to reinvent the wheel just to make money off a "new" form of healing crap.

                        I remember when I got in Reiki...folks who couldn't get students would create new symbols and then say they were channeled and blah blah blah....folks eager to develop their healing would sign up for classes with the folks claiming to have uncovered new symbols, or the new extra level that makes you a better healer.......woooo.

                        Please the secret to healing is intention...many folks are already healers....symbols don't make you better. The idea usually is about your focus...you believe you often let yourself "do"
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                        Fri, May 9, 2008 - 8:27 PM
                        I'm interested in your comments about denigration of the feminine in astrology. I've not noticed it myself, but perhaps as an insider, you could shed some light on this subject?
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                      Fri, May 9, 2008 - 8:27 PM
                      Jon...I see you have blonde hair with split ends from overprocessing...two eyes with lashes and a missing tooth in the back of your mouth...when you were little you had trouble whistling...
    • Re: New age....honest talk

      Thu, May 8, 2008 - 10:39 PM
      Jon., as someone who has a degree in psychology I will tell you this...

      the mind is a powerful tool....when you believe in something 90% of the time it works....

      when you have doubt it becomes a problem.

      Many guru's spiritual leaders...etc prey on folks knowing these facts.


      I know I enjoy new age stuff....very much. But I have one eye open and one eye closed for meditation. I trust my gut and pay attention.

      I don't follow any specific dogma...cause dogma was designed by men to serve men not god/goddess

      someone told me that expected me to be a certain way because I am now becoming a minister....and that they hold ministers on high standards...

      I told them, they should all everyone on high standards and not just ministers....no one should be above each other!
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    Fri, May 9, 2008 - 3:34 PM
    I'm more old age than new age

    Santoka
    ----------

    Today again
    no letters.
    Only butterflies.

    At last!
    The mail's arrived.
    Soon ripe fruit will fall.

    The leaves fall.
    From now on
    water will taste better and better.

    A little woozy,
    leaves fall one by one.

    My begging-bowl
    accepts the falling leaves.

    Hailstones also
    drop into my begging-bowl.

    If I sell my rags
    and buy some alcohol -
    will there still be loneliness ?

    Twilight - the sound
    of a sad letter
    dropping into a postbox.

    Goallessly
    I walk amongst tombstones.

    Slowly, slowly
    falling apart:
    my final autumn.

    I've become a real beggar now:
    one towel.

    The few flies that remain
    find me familiar.

    Pissing blood -
    how long will I be able
    to carry on ?

    Coughing, coughing -
    and nobody to slap my back.

    No money, no possessions,
    no teeth -
    all alone.

    I go in I go in still blue mountains
    Fluttering drunk leaves scatter

    My heart's exhausted -
    the mountains, the sea
    are too beautiful.

    Mountains I'll never see again
    fade in the distance.

    When I die:
    weeds,
    falling rain.

    Some life remains:
    I scratch my belly....
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    Fri, May 9, 2008 - 11:01 PM
    We must all learn to laugh at ourselves. Once we can do that, then the real growth may begin.
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      Sun, May 11, 2008 - 10:56 AM
      I just go wherever makes sence and dosent feel wrong and works productive. New agers.. they brought the jokes on themself. I think they keep a very open mind, and sometimes it also lands them bad.

      I also agree with the thesis to laught at ourself.
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    Sun, May 11, 2008 - 6:25 PM
    Actually, its the new age that got me interested in the spiritual. It was a magazine called the New Age Journal, the first issue to be exact. Found it at a magazine rack in the Pikes Place Market in Seattle.
    I think at first the movement was very pure and it attracted alot of people which included a large amont of goofballs that helped to water it down till alot of it turned into a joke. I like to think of the new age as something special in my life. A period in my life that helped to bring me to where i am today.
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    Today, 12:24 AM
    i'd have to say that some of the most self-righteous people i've dealt with have been the new age "lose your ego" type. they like to put themselves on this pedestal (having already gotten beyond their ego) to tell you how egotistical you are.

    i have a problem with the glorification of eastern religions. imo, they're not really any different than christianity. they've been used to control countries (i mean, seriously... look at asia) in the same way christianity has. they've been just as misinterpreted as christianity has... especially when brought to a western culture that doesn't even have words that translate precisely. the "lose your ego" thing is just a variation of christian martyrdom, and the techniques used to spread it are the same as christianity. most of the followers have the same qualities as born-again christians... a blend of self-righteousness, openness (to anyone who seems convertible), and closedness (to those of us who "cling to our ego"). ultimately, the new age is the new dogma. and it does exactly what all religions before it have done... divide people and allow for control (and profit) for those who want to use it.

    to set things straight... i'm a firm believer in astrology. i carried a copy of the "tao te ching" around with me for years and still read it sometimes, along with other books about magic. i still believe in alot of "new age" ideas. but, for the most part, it's become dogmatic. and dogma only leads us back to the same circle we've been running for eons. or should i say aeons?
    • Exio.. I agree with you so much.

      It makes me sad to see how something that started out so pure became corrupted and so influenced by the commerialized mind of many greedy types.

      The mass production of products and treatments that promise results that many times never really delivered really ruined things.

      As well as the self-appointed shamans/Guru via reading a few books and taking weekend workshops, who use guilt and fancy flightly words to get an audience to purchase unnecessary trainings and products...they get rich while you remain struggling to improve

      remember EST?